Im getting my conceal to carry and I need n a good beginner gun. The gun school im going to take my classes at recommends a S&W 642 revolver but ive heard bad things about it (too much recoil). Ive heard that revolvers are the way to go due to ease of use and safety.
What do you guys think? Ive researched and came upon the ruger sp101
Also, whats the difference between spur/spurless on a revolver? Also what size barrel do you recomend? I wanna go the smallest I can.
04-22-2007, 11:11 AM #1
First gun - RUGER Sp101 Revolver (pic)
04-22-2007, 12:29 PM #2
The reason is, that sometimes you may just want to throw it in your pocket or whatever. The hammer can get caught on your pocket as you draw, you want it nice and smooth with nothing interfering with the draw.
The version with the hammer will be easier to shoot though as you can shoot it in "single action". Single action is where you pull the hammer back manually, resulting in a very short trigger pull. Double action is where you pull the trigger, the hammer comes back and then drops, resulting in a much longer, harder trigger pull.
4" barrel in a revolver might be a bit much for carry, and you won't get much out of it that you won't get from a 2". The choices are 2 and 4, correct?A professor of the world's second oldest profession.
04-22-2007, 02:21 PM #3
04-22-2007, 03:47 PM #4
I carry the old 640 hammeless slick-handled S&W in a back holster, side holster, or back pocket. It's heavy but I am used to it. It never hangs and always goes bang.
My thoughts on a hideout gun. This used to take about 2 pages.
1. NO rubber handles, they stick on cloth and slow you down.
2. Never carry rubber handles in the pocket. To slow. You are dead.
3. Whatever you buy make sure it has rounded corners so nothing sticks on the way out of its hiding place.
4. Shoot it a thousand rounds before you trust it. It only has to fail once and you are dead.
5. If you don't have the balls to kill someone figure that out before you get your license.
04-22-2007, 05:04 PM #5
I own a SW642 and have owned a Ruger SP101 with the 21/4 " barrel with hammer. The SP101 was my first gun that I legally carried when I got my CCW in the mid-90's. Both guns you mention have a 5 round cylinder.
The SW642 is without a doubt the most recommended snubnose 38 special there is these days. It shoots regular 38 special or 38 special +P(more power) loads. It is lightweight and one of the most ideal handguns if pocket carry is going to be used often, and/or if weight is a primary concern. It doesnt kick bad. Some people will say its 'snappy' because of its light weight, but its not a problem to me at all. My mom and wife and others have shot it and havent commented negatively on the recoil. The SP101 with full-power 357 Magnum loads is going to kick worse than the lightweight 642 with 38 special loads. BUT- the SP101 with 38 Special loads(as opposed to 357 loads) will have less 'felt' recoil than the 642 with the same cartridges, due to the SP101's increased weight. The best round for the 642 these days is probably the Speer Gold Dot 135 grain 38 Special +P round, which can be bought at http://www.miragetechnologies.net/ among other places. You can get a Hogue Mono-grip for it if you prefer a bigger grip for more control during fire.
The SP101 is slightly larger and about twice as heavy as the 642. The SP101 comes in a 357 Magnum version and that is the one I'd suggest if you go with the SP101. Go with the hammerless if youre going to conceal carry. I had the hammer model, and it will snag occasionally on clothes on the draw. Basically the 357 Magnum is a slightly longer case, and more powerful 38 special cartridge. It has more powder and higher pressures and higher muzzle energy than a 38 Special. I highly suggest you try out the Remington Golden Saber 125 grain 357 rounds for carry for the SP101 if you get it. They are a little more mild than full-power 357 loads, which can be a handfull in the SP101. The Rem GS's seem to be just about perfect for this gun. With a 357 Magnum, you can also shoot 38 Special or 38 Special +P's through it(but not the other way around), so you might want to practice with cheap 38 special loads from Wal-Mart or elsewhere. The SP101 comes in a 2 1/4 and 3 1/16 inch barrel lengths. Pocket carry with the SP101 in jeans is really pushing it and would not be comfortable for most people. If youre going to conceal the SP101, I suggest a good inside-the-waistband(IWB) holster for it, or a good outside-the-waistband(OWB) if youd prefer that type. If you get the SP101,(just like I suggested for the 642) look at the Hogue Monogrip replacement grip for it. Its about $20. Control of the gun is better with the Hogue grip, and it looks 1,000 times better to boot. For $20, its worth trying for either the 642 or SP101, whichever you get.
I'd go with the SW642 if youre going to pocket carry a lot or if you want a lightweight 38 snub, but thats all a matter of personal preference. The 642 will be more comfortable and easier to carry, but the SP101 in 357 Mag will have more powerful cartridge options for you. Handle both at the gunshop, ask(ask first!) the gun dealer if you can try both in your pocket(if this is a concern to you), and try to shoot both if you can find a gunstore with range who also rents both guns(probably not likely unless you get lucky). Hold them both in your hand and see which feels better to you. The SW 642 38 Special has a very strong following among its owners, and a check of the various gun forums will show you this. The SP101 is an excellently made 357 snub and also a great gun. Its really a toss-up based on what you want. Both are excellent concealed carry revolvers.
As far as felt recoil, the SP101 with Rem GS 357's is going to feel about like a 642 with most 38 Special +P loads.
If you asked me to make the decision for you, I'd go with the 642 for its increased ease of carry. Both are about as equally as accurate, and both are accurate for snubs- but youve got to practice with both. Dry-fire practice is good and will help you develop good trigger control and also help to keep you from flinching when doing live-fire. Most people who shoot handguns who have never shot them before often shoot low due to 'flinching', or anticipating the recoil and pushing forward and down as you pull the trigger. Also, get some speedloaders for your specific model of gun and learn how to use them.
When I cannot carry my G27 due to size and weight, a SW642 goes with me.
Last edited by BlueBayou; 04-22-2007 at 05:20 PM.
04-22-2007, 05:17 PM #6
04-22-2007, 05:28 PM #7
Oh yeah: if you haven't already, get a good lawyer that deals with this sort of case. Keep his phone number in your cell phone contact list.
Nomatter HOW justified the shooting, assh0les have family members. They don't care that "their baby" was a homicidal maniac, but they do care that YOU shot him. "You didn't need to shoot him". Yeah. Well you did, and now you "need" to cover your ass before his ghetto relations begin pilfering your estate.
You may win the criminal case, but winning the civil case is just as important. Sad but true.A professor of the world's second oldest profession.
04-23-2007, 03:46 PM #8
I found these when looking through my firearm pics. Neither of these are mine, but they show the SW642 and the SP101 each with the Hogue monogrip if youre interested in that. The SP101 is one with the 3 1/16" barrel, but you still get an idea of what it looks like on the 2 1/4" version also.
When I had my 2 1/4" SP101, I used the Hogue monogrip and loved it. It looks great, feels great, and shoots great with the monogrip. Also, the Monogrip on the SP101 is actually thinner than the stock grip.
The SW642 that I have now, I use with the original factory grip for maximum concealability.
04-24-2007, 12:34 PM #9
Also follow what Nuggz wrote, and make sure you carry your cell phone when you carry the gun. That will definatley screw you in the civil case.The swiftness of the Ranger is still talked about today. Texas Red had not cleared leather for a bullet fairly ripped and the Rangers aim was deadly with a big iron on his hip. -Marty Robbins-
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04-24-2007, 12:38 PM #10
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Congrats on your (soon to be) concealed weapon permit. That's a great decision. Just make sure that you are well versed in the laws for your state regarding carrying. Always practice safety. And remember that the best safety is between your ears.
In regards to your gun selection a revolver is an excellent choice in that they are simpler. Definitely go with the hammerless version and practice a lot.
05-04-2007, 12:25 PM #11
05-04-2007, 12:41 PM #12
Not me not 21 yet(soon to be) But my dad stopped some car jacker from taking his car with his gun. He just put him on the ground at gun point untill police arrived. Kicked him once or twice while on the ground HAHA. Some people are just the scum of the earth thats why im all for carrying a gun. You never know when they will come for you.
05-04-2007, 01:01 PM #13
A good friend of mine who is into guns recently had to replace all the windows in his house. The guy that came to check out the job was also into guns and carried.
Every summer we have a large festival that lasts a week and traffic stops a lot and people are just all over the streets. Well this guy was driving through town and while the traffic was stopped a guy came running up, rips open his rear door and tries to grab his baby, he shot the guy to death.
05-04-2007, 01:02 PM #14
05-04-2007, 01:37 PM #15
05-04-2007, 02:16 PM #16
05-04-2007, 06:38 PM #17The swiftness of the Ranger is still talked about today. Texas Red had not cleared leather for a bullet fairly ripped and the Rangers aim was deadly with a big iron on his hip. -Marty Robbins-
-"--"- How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? 1,2,.......3 Yes 3