Epistane: The Test Results CHAPTER 2

[LakeMountD]

As promised, we are presenting the remaining portion of tests and data that we have collected in regards to our Epistane product and similar products currently being sold on the market. Since the chapter 1 thread got filled a ridiculously large amount of off-topic posts, we have a recap of the data gathered from previous result postings AS WELL AS new data not yet seen.

Our Initial 3rd Party Testing
It has been argued that we never actually did any tests on Epistane prior to the latest release of data posted in Chapter 1. We had a 3rd party test conducted by RTP labs on 03/19 on Epistane and one of our competitor products after a competitor tested Epistane and claimed he felt it was not consistent with the label. With these results which are shown below, you see the difference in Epistane and the product with 2 major peaks. Epistane tests with a MW of 270 (which we will show to be consistent with later tests) and the competitor product tests with 2 major peaks with MW of 286 and 288 as shown below:



LARGE CAPS=EPISTANE SMALL CAPS= HAVOC




The next results for the three products by RTP Labs was:
(Data posted in Chapter 1 Thread and a separate COC test on Epistane ordered by Mike McCandless)

Epistane - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.8mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
One major peak found with a MW of 270

Havoc - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.3mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
Two major peaks found with MW of 286 and 288

Hemaguno - Est. amount per capsule tested = 2.0mg
Amount on label = 12.5mg
Three major peaks were found with 2 compounds identified as Palmitic and Stearic Acid and one with a MW of 288.

Explanation: They are testing against testosterone, which is not the most accurate way to test the dose without a standard and could be the reason the numbers are coming out like this. Although, some were claiming Epistane to be an under-dosed product, it became evident that we were correct in assuming that the tests may have been skewed when comparing, with the same procedure, for other similar products. Amazingly the same people who argued that we had an under-dosed product quickly changed stances when the new data was available.
Furthermore, we were told by the analytical party, as well as what had been discussed at great length on several discussion boards, that there is a justification argument for a MW finding of 270 and an argument for 288 without a standard.
What happens next?
Well we obviously have a lot of data and major differences between Epistane and the similar products being sold on the market. This is when we had a Doctor of Forensic Toxicology begin testing a sample of Epistane and the competitor product with 2 major peaks to be able to tell us with 100% certainty that our product is, in fact, consistent with what is on the label.




Confirmation Test by Dr. Lykissa 4/10-4/12: Confirms Epistane is CONSISTENT WITH LABEL






Conclusion: Epistane tested out to be over 99% pure, properly dosed and CONSISTENT with label.




On a sidenote Some individuals have been bringing into question the voluntary replacement of a small batch of Epistane that was produced that was consistent with the product with 2 major peaks. One of these individuals actually called our capsulation company to try to verify this production during the date given. Although, I am sure the company was protecting our privacy and would not release this data to this random caller, it could also be that the order was overlooked because of the order being for bulk capsule and not individual bottling because it was such a small order. Here are the links to the packing invoice of the batch in question and a copy of the invoice to the distributor that was sold the majority of the bottles we had on hand. The funniest part is that this individual actually tried to intefere with the production of Epistane by telling the capsulation company about the product knowing the company doesn't carry the correct insurance to capsule this category of product. Well, good thing IBE carries it's OWN product liability insurance so now there will be no delays for future capsulation/production of Epistane even after this last attempt for this individual to stop this product from going any further.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2950/sklabsvd2.jpg (sk labs picture)
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Final Comments We are not trying to bash anyone, but instead, prove that all of these accusations that have been made about us in the past are false and that this needs to stop. We had the other compounds tested against Epistane to see whether or not we had made a mistake in our in house testing, but this proves that we did not. Any further arguments made by ANYONE here against Epistane is pointless considering it will just show that they are looking for something to be wrong with Epistane and not taking any of the facts for what they are; accurate. IBE has done more than prove the steps we have taken to assure Epistane is consistent with what is on the label and at this point the consumer knows what our product contains and they can either chose to buy our product or not. IBE wants to openly apologize for subjecting the community to so much wasted time, arguing with such competitors and members that, we feel, had an agenda. At this point we have shown our data and we are moving on. Now we have a true standard to compare (also created by the Doctor) any and all future batches of Epistane will be tested for purity much easier. We hope the community has seen our efforts to assure the best quality in the products we supply. If you still can't decide which product to choose, let the logs speak for themselves.

[krusha]

first page ftw

[gym_feen972]

beat me to it

[Bloute]

I am in again !

[redhawk76]

In FTW

[xxflash]

wow got to post in first page now someone who knows about this stuff notes plz

[Bloute]

LMR, sorry to be out of the loop, but I dont understand what prove that you have the real methyl Epitiostanol and SFR or RPN.

Maybe it is my english or I missed something but I dont see where is the proof that MC at 270 is the real peak and not 286 or 288.

BTW, I will tell you now it isnt bashing it is simply informative for me since I have to answer at 5 pms a day about this.

[AtownKing187]

I am in again !

In FTW

Lookie...im in too

[Latosaurus Rex]

i dont understand the scans because of low quality scans, where does the standard created come to play and where is the information of the fact that your compound matches the standard

[BIG F@CE]

here

[bigbridrol]

sounds good to me

[LakeMountD]

i dont understand the scans because of low quality scans, where does the standard created come to play and where is the information of the fact that your compound matches the standard

3rd Picture down from Accutrace. That was their final report (we spoke with them quite a bit but we wanted it in writing). It is consistent with label.

[factotum]

So is the graph posted for the reference standard because the last two pics are illegible.

[Blast_]

I guess I'll jump in and say 1st page!

[Free Weight Friedel]

3rd Picture down from Accutrace. That was their final report (we spoke with them quite a bit but we wanted it in writing). It is consistent with label.

How does this make it the standard?

All this confirms is that it was consistant with your label.

Why is whats on your label the standard and not the other products?

Please explain.

Thanks

[LakeMountD]

How does this make it the standard?

All this confirms is that it was consistant with your label.

Why is whats on your label the standard and not the other products?

Please explain.

Thanks

Huh? No we had a standard developed because of this whole thing about no one having one. And being "consistent with label" means just that. We have what the label says.

[WarJuggernaut]

LMR, sorry to be out of the loop, but I dont understand what prove that you have the real methyl Epitiostanol and SFR or RPN.

Maybe it is my english or I missed something but I dont see where is the proof that MC at 270 is the real peak and not 286 or 288.

Took the words outa my mouth.

[Free Weight Friedel]

Huh? No we had a standard developed because of this whole thing about no one having one. And being "consistent with label" means just that. We have what the label says.

What makes the standard you had developed the correct standard?

[Bloute]

Second question about the chapter 2 : No bashing again but a few persons ask me this question and I cant answer it.



So you sent them individual capsules in your own containers instead of a full bottle? Are you saying that we are supposed to take your word that the "small capsules" are Havoc and the "large capsules" are Epistane?

[RonaldMcDonald]

Second question about the chapter 2 : No bashing again but a few persons ask me this question and I cant answer it.



So you sent them individual capsules in your own containers instead of a full bottle? Are you saying that we are supposed to take your word that the "small capsules" are Havoc and the "large capsules" are Epistane?

well "Large" tested exactly at what MM said...mw of 270

[Bloute]

LMR, sorry to be out of the loop, but I dont understand what prove that you have the real methyl Epitiostanol and SFR or RPN.

Maybe it is my english or I missed something but I dont see where is the proof that MC at 270 is the real peak and not 286 or 288.

BTW, I will tell you now it isnt bashing it is simply informative for me since I have to answer at 5 pms a day about this.

^^

Bump for my first question.

[LakeMountD]

What makes the standard you had developed the correct standard?

That is the point of having a standard developed. We didn't develop it ourselves obviously. We had a company develop one for us.

[OneBetter]

i'm interested in bloutes questions as well

[AtownKing187]

LMR, sorry to be out of the loop, but I dont understand what prove that you have the real methyl Epitiostanol and SFR or RPN.

Maybe it is my english or I missed something but I dont see where is the proof that MC at 270 is the real peak and not 286 or 288.

BTW, I will tell you now it isnt bashing it is simply informative for me since I have to answer at 5 pms a day about this.

Second question about the chapter 2 : No bashing again but a few persons ask me this question and I cant answer it.



So you sent them individual capsules in your own containers instead of a full bottle? Are you saying that we are supposed to take your word that the "small capsules" are Havoc and the "large capsules" are Epistane?

For Bloute....

[BIG F@CE]

Now we have a true standard to compare (also created by the Doctor)

That is the point of having a standard developed. We didn't develop it ourselves obviously. We had a company develop one for us.

.....

[Free Weight Friedel]

That is the point of having a standard developed. We didn't develop it ourselves obviously. We had a company develop one for us.

So, if RPN had a standard developed for Havoc,would the standard they get be a standard too?

[dvsness]

How many chapters are in this book?

[jsweetness]

Second question about the chapter 2 : No bashing again but a few persons ask me this question and I cant answer it.



So you sent them individual capsules in your own containers instead of a full bottle? Are you saying that we are supposed to take your word that the "small capsules" are Havoc and the "large capsules" are Epistane?

i wondered this myself, bump for the Q.

[kappaz]

kwyckemynd00 makes some good points

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/stero...t-results.html

[LakeMountD]

So, if RPN had a standard developed for Havoc,would the standard they get be a standard too?

Anyone can have one developed for the right price, there are a few companies out there that do it (that I know of, I am sure there are more)

Bloute: The large caps are Epistane because they are the larger caps between the two. Look at a bottle of Epistane and Havoc, it is easy to see which are large and which are small. It is obvious we didn't change the pills because those results compared to the new results are consistent. Both show that very large 270 peak. We posted those to show that nothing has changed. The batch that was tested by the doctor was the one with the large 270 peak. He concluded after many tests that we did have methyl-epitiostanol (only 2a,3a isomer as well). Hard to argue against a doctor of forensic toxicology.