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    4AD questions....HELP!

    ive just about finished my first 8 week cycle of 4ad. i loved the results and now ill go off it for about 10 weeks. is that sufficient time for my natural test to come back to normal??also i always took it on a empty stomach, should i have or with a meal?? also i noticed a slight decrease in libido....isnt 1ad supposed to do that and not 4ad?? what other prohormones could i use with the 4ad next time to see some REALLY SICK results?? any other useful stuff you guys could help with would greatly be appreciated. Thanks-
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    For orals, ten weeks off is plenty. For good results Nor-diol, 1,4-andro or 1AD are perfect stacking partners. Dunno what caused your decrease in libido, perhaps you didn't spread your doses out enough, giving you a lag-time.
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    Thanks CAT and im supposed to take 300mg 3 times a day every 8 hours?? someone posted that i think. Yea man whats up with the libido?? alot of days i wouldnt wake up with a hard on. I always would until i got on 4ad. Weird.....
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    Every 8 hours ? Are you going to wake up in the middle of the night to take it ? Besides, an oral doesn't last 8 hours. Every 5 hours is more like it. LIke say, breakfast, lunch and dinner for convenience.
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    Anybody know a good brand of 4-ad to buy I was thinking of stacking it with 1-ad by ergopharm
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    androspray by ergopharm or 4aderm by avantlabs.
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    Its his choice and his risk, I don't recommend it until they are 21 though. So in my opinion, yes, too early.
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    I know im young but im not like most 18 year olds, so K do me a favor and dont call me kid. Cat what do you think any negative side effects could be from the P hormones too soon??
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    and why the hell can't anyone spell Mafioso??

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    Ok Mafioso. Young Man! Outside of the service, this is the best I can do. If I knew your rank I would have addressed you by rank (assuming you are not just a civilian employee at the AFB.)
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    Originally posted by Mafioso
    I know im young but im not like most 18 year olds, so K do me a favor and dont call me kid. Cat what do you think any negative side effects could be from the P hormones too soon??
    First of all loss of any growth you have left in you, but I estimate that's not a great deal at 19. Secondly you'd be messing with an already very instable endocrine system and Short term that can have erectile dysfunction or loss of libido as a result and long-term, still erectile dysfunction and infertility possibly. The risk isn't all that much higher at 19 then at 21, but still ...
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    whether 16 or 19 a young person will do as they want. I have tried on many occasions to change a young guys point of view but it never worked. I figure once they make up their minds that is usually final. My take is this it is his body and his life and after reading the facts and doing any resaeech on the subject if he still decides to then so be it.
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    Damn all that **** about erectile dysfunction scares me, sex is more important than faster muscles. So guys in your professional opinion should i get off and stay off for a while?? I just wanna get big and cut fast. i guess good things come to those who wait.....Cat how sure are you about all that sex dysfunction stuff? cuz i mean i dont have wood in the morning anymore. that **** aint right. so maybe you guys are right....More input from you guys please
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    It's OK. Once you are off the PH for a week, you will be "SALUTING" every night and morning again. That is unless you "wreck" it . Chances are you haven't , yet.

    Since every individual varies to a degree, no one can 100% assure you about your specific conditions and response to PH and steroids. You should judge for yourself and play it safe.
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    Hey K thanks for the re-assurance. You sure about that though, i mean ill get off this **** if its gonna sink my sub, im stopping right now and ill see how i feel. I hope i didnt do anything permanent.
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    Don't worry, you have a 99.99% chance of "saluting" the flag again very soon. It will probably take a week at most for the effect to wear off. Very unlikely to permanently "wreck" it on your first cycle. The Nordiol will definitely have a negative"impact". So, what you are experiencing is normal. It will ALL COME RIGHT BACK in time. Just relax. Anxiety won't make it rise

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    Thanks man youve been great. I dont feel worried and **** now. whats your age? stats...how long you been lifting. did you get big on the ****?
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    maybe you will be impotent forever but look at the bright side bud, just think of all the trouble you will stay out of.
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    hey as long as i can bust a nut, right charlie??

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    I'm starting the same stack (nor-diol/4AD) when the order comes thru. But I'm starting to worry about the negative libido side affects. Can this stack damage me down there? Do i need add another prohormone to the stack. What do u think guys??????
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    The 4AD will solve your libido problems and the stack should not damage you "down there" as long as you stick to the stacking rules : no more than 8 weeks on, followed by 8-16 weeks off, the longer the better to let it recover.
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    Thanks, you cured my anxiety
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