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    Muscle Relaxants

    Do muscle relaxants help any with recover?
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    Originally Posted by OldBB View Post
    Do muscle relaxants help any with recover?
    not sure mate, i am interested as well. I have been using salbutamol and the leaflet says its a pain killer for women in labour pains, as far as i know these pains are caused by muscle cramps - someone correct me if im wrong im no surgeon - and i honest feel relaxed around a hour after the workout. Could it help with recovery? Not sure, i was always under the impression proteins was needed for the repairs of microscopic damage from working out. If anyone has info it would be interesting.
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    I don't think they would be a good thing to start using, it would most likely make it harder to work out again the next time around.
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    Cool Huh?

    Originally Posted by wide lats View Post
    not sure mate, i am interested as well. I have been using salbutamol and the leaflet says its a pain killer for women in labour pains, as far as i know these pains are caused by muscle cramps - someone correct me if im wrong im no surgeon - and i honest feel relaxed around a hour after the workout. Could it help with recovery? Not sure, i was always under the impression proteins was needed for the repairs of microscopic damage from working out. If anyone has info it would be interesting.
    Are you sure it's salbutamol? That's used for bronchspasms in conditions like asthma, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, etc. (real basic explanations)
    At least that's what we use it for.

    As far as muscle relaxers assisting in recovery......they provide obviously relief for strains, spasms, etc. but actually being an active part in the debris removal from an injury, hard workout, etc.?......maybe due to the less guarding of that area from the relief of the pain caused by spasms etc. you are more prone to move it more, better range of motion, etc. providing better blood flow to assist in the nutients getting in and debris heading out for muscle repair.
    I agree w/sandiegoguy on not a good idea to start using them especially if there is no solid reason for one such as a strain, spasms, etc.
    Might be an MD in this forum that can provide a more definitive answer......
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    ABSOLUTELY NOT....in no uncertain terms!


    muscle relaxants are to break up SPASMS....they are NOTHING about recovery, whatsoever.....in fact, may even hinder the proper response of the body to overcompensate for the stress you put yourself under.....


    soreness from working out is inflammation related...not spasm....spasms are uncontrolled firing of the muscle cells.....permanently flexed, if you will, which naturally, will cause pain, since muscle are not meant to be tensed all the time.......

    if anything, mild anti-inflammatory may help you recupe, but there is a lot of research that says it might also hinder the body's response, muscle building wise.......
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    Originally Posted by OldBB View Post
    Do muscle relaxants help any with recover?
    Why would anyone even need another drug ???
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    nope

    Never heard of this in the lifting world.

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    I prefer a single malt muscle relaxant.
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    FROM A BODYBUILDING.COM ARTICLE BY CLAYTON SOUTH.

    A study by researchers in North Carolina has shown that although most commonly prescribed by doctors as "treatment", muscle relaxants did not accelerate recovery of injury and were not associated with functional improvement of the problem area.

    This study demonstrates that muscle relaxants are little more than targeted pain killers and should not be a substitute for physical rehabilitation and exercise.

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    Also muscle relaxants and HGH were found in Anna Nicole Smith's body.
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    Originally Posted by Chipman View Post
    FROM A BODYBUILDING.COM ARTICLE BY CLAYTON SOUTH.

    A study by researchers in North Carolina has shown that although most commonly prescribed by doctors as "treatment", muscle relaxants did not accelerate recovery of injury and were not associated with functional improvement of the problem area.

    This study demonstrates that muscle relaxants are little more than targeted pain killers and should not be a substitute for physical rehabilitation and exercise.

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    Also muscle relaxants and HGH were found in Anna Nicole Smith's body.
    Excellent.....I agree also with jtroster.....very good choice! LMAO.....
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    Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI View Post
    ABSOLUTELY NOT....in no uncertain terms!


    muscle relaxants are to break up SPASMS....they are NOTHING about recovery, whatsoever.....in fact, may even hinder the proper response of the body to overcompensate for the stress you put yourself under.....


    soreness from working out is inflammation related...not spasm....spasms are uncontrolled firing of the muscle cells.....permanently flexed, if you will, which naturally, will cause pain, since muscle are not meant to be tensed all the time.......

    if anything, mild anti-inflammatory may help you recupe, but there is a lot of research that says it might also hinder the body's response, muscle building wise.......
    I agree with John. Also, from experience, muscle relaxers like Xanax are an enemy to any training program. If you take them regularly, no matter what, all of it does not eliminate from the system for good while. This means that you will not train to near your optimal level, thus virtually canceling out meaningful progression. Soma is ok, but only for a brief period.

    I say get rid of them. They will make you into a zombie. Waste of a good life.
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    Originally Posted by jtroster View Post
    I prefer a single malt muscle relaxant.
    I'm partial to a Guinness stack myself
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    Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI View Post
    ...if anything, mild anti-inflammatory may help you recupe, but there is a lot of research that says it might also hinder the body's response, muscle building wise.......
    This is true - OTC pain killers like ibuprofen and acetaminophen tend to suppress the synthesis of prostaglandins which induce inflammation. But these same prostaglandins also seem to have a positive effect on protein metabolism and muscle growth.

    Although it's not something you want to get into the habit of taking, occasional use shouldn't cause a problem.

    But define occasional use!

    Bottom line - depends on your level of pain, nature of injury, and complete treatment plan. Short term use may be a proper choice for you. Long term use, it's not the way to go no matter how you look at it.
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    Originally Posted by mauiwaaui View Post
    Are you sure it's salbutamol? That's used for bronchspasms in conditions like asthma, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, etc. (real basic explanations)
    At least that's what we use it for.
    yes, salbutamol, its what it says on the insert i will take a pic of it if ya want

    From what everyones said here i would not go with relaxants, salbutamol is fine its it also says the doses for labour pains are much, much greater than what you can get out of a inhaler - i only use the salb preworkout, the relaxed feeling i reckon is endorphins.

    good thread. informative
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    DUH, no!

    Whats wrong with the musclepain anyway, it's not like it really hurts enough to justify a pain reliever. If it is then you have injured yourself and you need to see a doctor not just cover it up with some pain reliever you got from who knows where. All it does is mask the pain, it in no way repairs.

    Sorry, but if you have to use the Salbutamol to get you up for working out, something is wrong. JMHO.
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    Originally Posted by JOHN GARGANI View Post
    ABSOLUTELY NOT....in no uncertain terms!


    muscle relaxants are to break up SPASMS....they are NOTHING about recovery, whatsoever.....in fact, may even hinder the proper response of the body to overcompensate for the stress you put yourself under.....


    soreness from working out is inflammation related...not spasm....spasms are uncontrolled firing of the muscle cells.....permanently flexed, if you will, which naturally, will cause pain, since muscle are not meant to be tensed all the time.......

    if anything, mild anti-inflammatory may help you recupe, but there is a lot of research that says it might also hinder the body's response, muscle building wise.......
    ...but how can a muscle recupe if it is permanently flexed? doesn't it need to relax in order for it to recover?
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    Originally Posted by claycat View Post
    DUH, no!

    Whats wrong with the musclepain anyway, it's not like it really hurts enough to justify a pain reliever. If it is then you have injured yourself and you need to see a doctor not just cover it up with some pain reliever you got from who knows where. All it does is mask the pain, it in no way repairs.

    Sorry, but if you have to use the Salbutamol to get you up for working out, something is wrong. JMHO.
    Duh! Durrrrr ^^^ LOL, this is the best clueless post i seen yet, LOL.
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    Originally Posted by IdahoViking View Post
    ...but how can a muscle recupe if it is permanently flexed? doesn't it need to relax in order for it to recover?
    not really, if the cells are loaded with test molecules it doesnt matter how relaxed you are they will catch the proteins in the blood and fix the damage - or thats the way i see it. Not sure how relaxants can help a muscle grow mate i dont think having a massage etc will help either TBH.
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    Originally Posted by wide lats View Post
    Duh! Durrrrr ^^^ LOL, this is the best clueless post i seen yet, LOL.
    O.K. I'm clueless, so enlighten me.

    I have seen through the years enough people addicted to pain and muscle relaxants, why would you encourage people to take them for working out. How can they help a BBer?

    Why would you take the other for endorphines, it sounded like you needed it to work out. Just working out raises my endorphines, I don't need help from a drug. Do you? Or is it some other effect you are after?
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    I don't think so, I've never found anyone who found them useful in the recovery process either.
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    Originally Posted by wide lats View Post
    not really, if the cells are loaded with test molecules it doesnt matter how relaxed you are they will catch the proteins in the blood and fix the damage - or thats the way i see it. Not sure how relaxants can help a muscle grow mate i dont think having a massage etc will help either TBH.
    I was thinking more along the lines of muscle injury, not muscle recovery - my bad.
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    Originally Posted by claycat View Post
    O.K. I'm clueless, so enlighten me.

    I have seen through the years enough people addicted to pain and muscle relaxants, why would you encourage people to take them for working out. How can they help a BBer?

    Why would you take the other for endorphines, it sounded like you needed it to work out. Just working out raises my endorphines, I don't need help from a drug. Do you? Or is it some other effect you are after?
    Whos encouraging taking relaxants and pain killers? Whos said i took anything for endorphins? What the hell are you on about?

    Please read the thread if your so interested, read properly though, dont skip lines. Thanks for your tips on what salbutamol is and what its for ... id have never have guessed otherwise ..
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    Originally Posted by wide lats View Post
    yes, salbutamol, its what it says on the insert i will take a pic of it if ya want

    From what everyones said here i would not go with relaxants, salbutamol is fine its it also says the doses for labour pains are much, much greater than what you can get out of a inhaler - i only use the salb preworkout, the relaxed feeling i reckon is endorphins.

    good thread. informative
    My OP was a general remark, not directed at you, except the part about Salbutamol pre w/o.

    You did say "Salbutamol is fine". I just feel it is not fine unless you have an Rx for it for an existing medical condition etc.

    You also said "I only use the Salb preworkout" why, do you have an Rx. for its use for a medical condition?

    IMO no drug use is justified unless you are given it by a physician for a specific reason.
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    Originally Posted by claycat View Post
    My OP was a general remark, not directed at you, except the part about Salbutamol pre w/o.

    You did say "Salbutamol is fine". I just feel it is not fine unless you have an Rx for it for an existing medical condition etc.

    You also said "I only use the Salb preworkout" why, do you have an Rx. for its use for a medical condition?

    IMO no drug use is justified unless you are given it by a physician for a specific reason.
    ok, thanks for your opinions on muscle relaxants and muscle growth ...

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