The Road in Becoming a Pick Up Artist

[Ashkon]

BECOMING A PICK UP ARTIST.
(advanced version)

As I had said, here is the thread. I'll lay down the rules, if you do not like them, or agree with them, leave.

1 - ABSELOUTLY no flames. Not at all. You are very welcome to ARGUE a persons point of view, but you are not to get personal.

2 - You must not reply if you do not know what this thread is all about. Read at LEAST the first five or so pages in this thread before replying here:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=141989
or you read and download this attachment which has all the lessons in them.

Unless you have an understanding of what an average frustrated chump is and you are not it. If for somereason you do not understand this game, this is not the place to ask. Simply PM one of the fellas who seem to know what they are talking about here and most likly you will get an answer back.

What to post:

If you are new here, please post your information as indicated. This will give us an idea to know where you stand. DO NOT LIE, AS THAT YOU"D BE LIENG TO YOUR SELF. Because we are trying to improve ourselves and we have nothing to hide. Indicate a picture if you'd like as well. This thread would be alot more usefull if the repliers knew eachother. see my first reply after this

Post any articles you find intresting, either by link, or copy-paste it along with its refrence.
Post as many field reports you have, and discuss them. Especially the ones you have failed, where we could see how to improve them.

Do NOT go offtopic.

CONSIDER: THIS THREAd IS NOT ONLY A GUIDLINE, BUT A DISCUSSION FORUM WHERE WE CAN SHARE OUR EXPERIENCES. WHAT EXPERIENCES? THE ONES WE HAVE IN THE REAL WORLD. THIS PLACE IS ONLY TO TRY TO IMPROVE, BUT YOU MUST PLAY YOUR GAME TO SEE WHERE YOU NEED IMPROVEMENT. SO DON'T SIT HERE AND MEMORIZE EVERY INTRESTING POINT. GET THE HELL OUT THERE AND DO THIS THE PROPER WAY. IF YOU DO NOT PRACTICE, YOU WILL NEVER, EVER, KNOW WHAT YOUR GONNA BE LIKE. YOU'LL LOSE YOUR ASS ONCE YOU'R TRYING ANYTHING NEW AND FACE FAILUR. DO NOT THINK THIS THREAd WILL GIVE YOU GAME. GO OUT THERE AND CREATE YOUR GAME!

[BigCasino]

Ok first of all it is "thread", not "threat", unless you mean to say you are threatening all of us ?

Second, what is wrong with SH's thread? That thread already has a following, it was just starting to get better (returning from the **** state it had fallen into), and now you want to create a new one and divide everyone?

[JimRitchay]

Pretend like she 'aint **** to you, then be nice to her, then cool down. Repeat until desired attraction on her part.

Draws chicks in like a charm

[Ashkon]

age: 17
Girlfriends: 2
Lays: 4 (# of different girls. if not ****ed, mentioned base # and # of girls)
Where you stand: 8 (AFC [brand new], dAFC [Still learning on a scale of <1-10>], PUA [a true artist])
short term goal: improve humor, and uniqueness. Take this super cute girls virginity, and then move on to her super hot friend.

I started to look for improvement BEFORE reading any articles on the internet. I came up with my own concepts and tried to solve this puzzle my self. I tried many different ways of approaching and acting to see which works best and I picked up a fairly good personallity.

I then read some articles online. I saw a direct relationship between my theories and the writers. This intrested me to know as much as I possibly can.

I have studied Self-Hypnosis, Marketing, and Communication. I have also read "Double Your Dating", "Bridges", "SEX" by DavidDeangel. Also "The Rules", "Body Language", "How to Make Love to a Woman" by various authors.

I have also studied animal relationships since I belive we are VERY much similar 2 them, with lots of tweaks.

I am very open minded, and so I do not nessesarly agree with everything I read, and I question it and try to pick up only the good information.

I cannot promis to hang around in this threat for a long time either.

[Ashkon]

woh you guys are fast!!!!

BigCasino: This is very similar to his thread, except no AFCs. Only dAFCs and PUA. Less people, so we can get to know each other and know whos who in most cases.

[BigCasino]

Ashkon,

Ok, man sounds cool. Was just making sure you weren't trying to hijack SH's thread followers. I will update my post with my PUA info in a few hours, don't got time to right now, midterm in 10min

P.S. Good work changing threat to thread

[Bond]

That thread was just fine, but there was actually a big problem with it... the lack of rules. I hope this one will be more civilized. And by that I mean NO ****ING AFCish QUESTIONS REPEATED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY GUYS WHO HADN'T EVEN READ THE THREAD AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE LETTERS "HB" MEANS.

Ashkon, please edit your post and change the "requirements" to reading the zip file with the lessons. Reading the whole thing would be best but I have to admit that it's kinda big now, so the zip file will be just fine.

There are 2 zip files in that thread, we need to find the latest one, wich contains most of the lessons, and attach it to the first post of this thread. I don't think I'll be posting here if we have ppl who haven't even read the BASICS, there would be no point for this thread here.

I'm busy right now so can't search for zip file, but I'd appreciate if someone else did.

Oh and SH should be made a mod to make sure we keep this place clean.


Well, I'm here to learn and help as much as I can. I'll try to visit this thread in a regular basis and post all the good info I can find. Please let's keep up the QUALITY this time and PLEASE FOLLOW THE RULES FROM NOW ON.




Btw, lets post our AIM name also. (Mine is P0000007)




Good luck to everyone on becoming a PUA and on your own goals whatever they r. =)

[Ginobili]

Here is the text file with all the lessons...everyone who hasn't please read this so we can keep this thread clean.

[jdiaz5513]

Age: 17 (i'm a college freshman though, skipped a grade)
Girlfriends: 1
Bases run: 3rd with 1 girl
(I was a super AFC...what can i say?)
Where I stand: dAFC (5)
Short term goal: closing properly and at the right time

Good idea with this thread Ash...SH's thread has lost its original shine. I'm actually considering hosting a forum/website dedicated only to training PUA's on my own dedicated server, but that would mean convincing everyone to shift over :P

Anyhow, about myself...

On top of working on PUA skills, I'm also doing a little experiment. I know people say all over it's just not possible to get a female friend into being something a whole lot more, but hell, I get bored sometimes at night and this one friend of mine is always around at night (HB8, but with absolute zero self confidence...it's weird). So, I'm trying to see if I can flip the tables around and cause her to gain some attraction toward me. Up until now it seems like I'm making good progress, planning on going on a little "date" with her soon... I'm taking notes on what works and what doesn't - the whole "I'm always busy" thing definitely adds interest, talking about other girls seems to work well too. Of course I won't let this project detract from my goal of becoming a PUA, but it would still be fun to see if it can be done. I have a party coming up tomorrow (friday), so if it's not full of fatties expect a field report soon.

[bts327]

Originally posted by Ginobili
Here is the text file with all the lessons...everyone who hasn't please read this so we can keep this thread clean.

Much thanks man.

I had read about half of that stuff and was looking for more. Also read some stuff over at fastseduction. The first time I even opened sh's thread was less than a week ago. I will put these techniques to use in the coming weeks and hopefully will have something to contribute to this thread.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Ginobili
Here is the text file with all the lessons...everyone who hasn't please read this so we can keep this thread clean.

Good job, bro!


Ashkon, please upload it to the first post too...

[Ashkon]

Different mindsets!?!

It's so difficult to try to pull out the nomral **** on lil inexperinced girls. Forexample, if you flirt with other girls, you will make them jelouse, but they will try to avoid you since you'd seem to look like a player, and you just want to get laid. If you add C/F lines into it, this would build up the theory. I thought alot about this in the past few days, and I think i drove some good points out.

Now I'm talking about younger girls. I'm a highschool grad and in my school, the grade nines, are the hottest girls. My school is very popular for the amount of high HB it has, and they start from grade nine, then ten, then elv, then twlv. Which is a problem. I cannot let a fine ass developed girl walk by and not try to apprach them. I'm not going to let their low grade stop me, because for one, they are fully developed, for two, they are VERY inviting, for three, if i dont go, someone else will.

But I'v realized the mindset has to be different.

I had this one particular girl in mind. Lets give her HB7 for her looks. But her personallity, is defenetly a 2/2 in the girls i'v met. She is filled with these little cute traits that girls have, which are very attractive. Her two friends, which are also X hot, are seeing my friends (hvnt gotten past kissing) b/c my old farts are AFCs. So there I acted like an ALPHA which did cause attraction to a certain point. Forexample, I remember the first time she tried to kiss me, I looked away. Did the same the second time! I wanted to completely show her Im different and unique, which worked just fine. I then kissed her when I felt like it in some days after. So we'r in school, and I'm almost always with a different girls. I figured this would cause jelousy and thus higher attraction. I had a dance last night at school. I tried to dance with her, but she was quit cold. Instead, I saw her dancing up and down with this other dood. Ofcource, I didn't get jelouse, but I was confused. If I had pulled this same game on a more experienced girl, let's say, a non-virgin, then the bitch should had been ALL OVER ME. It bothered me that i might not be able to tap this one, WITHOUT LEARNING A LESSON. Now the guy who was all ove rher, really liked her. He was trying to really do this girl, and his not so much frustrated either. He's confidence is good, but his apprach SUX. So I knew I can steal the attraction back, but only if knew what caused the block.

I thought alot about it, on what could have caused her to become SUDDENTLY disintrested. I did not want to go up to her and talk to her about my confusion, because thats givin her my cards. She shouldnt know if i like her. AS SOON AS THEY KNOW YOU ARE JELOUSE/YOU LIKE THEM/YOU'D TRY TO GET THEM/YOU'D GO OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY FOR THEM... theyr attraction will decrease because there is no more challange.

I'm ALWAYS the closer (I close first) , but I noticed she had started to close on me very quickly after conversations. So I couldn't risk given her even a CHANCE to be able to do it. No more flirting either. There must have been a reason.

I thought, if she is inexperienced, maybe she can't pick up my "DOMINANCE" and how I'm so confident when I' talk to girls bla bla bla... Maybe she hasnt had many AFCs losn their guts over her for her to realize I'm not them. She is EXTREMELY nice to people, and never makes fun of anyone, and instead says "awwwww!" Hmmm.. Have you guys had this problem? I mean all these hot bitches really pick up on my style, but this is the beggning of this lady. So at the dance last night, her X TENDER friend (who my friend is seeing) was all over me. My friend REALLY likes her, but doznt admit to it. (but his far away right now) SO this girl took advantage of the situation and was all over me. She was a great dance and we became very comfortable, and I was sure I'd shove some balls in her mouth if it wasn't for my friend. SHe asked me if I liked HB8? I never answer this question, and she said shez not so sure if HB8 likes me because I was an ******* to her. I wasnt an *******, and I KNOW my game.

I hated to send a friend to do my dirty job, but I needed to learn about some hot INEXPERIENCED girls. There are some of those left here and there, and they are very fun to fuk.

So I sent my cuz to go talk to her. I told him exatcly wat to say, making it sound like reasonable. I made sure he dosn't change anything he wants to say by the way she responses, because he is there to send a msg to her not listen to her bs:

C"Are you seeing CB (cock-blocker)?"
B"NOWAY.... bla bla.."
C"I'm Ashkon's cuzn and we are VERY close. We know all the **** about each other. (put your hand on top of her shoulder) i'mma be striagh honost with you. See Ashkon is a type of guy, who dosnt give chances to girls easily, and for a girl to impres shim, she has to try real hard, (to proof i'm not a PLAYER) There was another girl aside form you, and trust me, ashkon picked it up the second you started liking him. It's just that he was going to go for the better of you two. So he told me, that your much more fun to be alone with, and threw the other one away. (there was a competition and you won, but she still dosn't HAVE me ofcource). Now last night at the dance, to MY eye (ashkon didn't mention anything, because he doznt really "care") it seemed as if you were all over CB. I'm Ashkon's good friend, and I tell you, once you miss your chance, you wont have another one, this guy moves on life quickly, so either go get your chance, or give up now!"

I figured this would do it. I'd show her that I have girls all over me and she has a good chance to win over them, if she acts quickly.

So then I met up with my cuz today afterschool (i skipped school due to heart problems) and he said that she thought I only wanted to fuk her then leave her. She didn't meniotn if she liked me either.

So i saw her today w/ her friends and came back to say wutsup. I was driving my brothers car and the handling is weird, so I hit a pole. You fukn belive that>?? lol I laughed at me so hard in my head. And they were crackn up. ANyway, I juz said wutsup for a min, then closed on them. They started walking off, and before they I got in my car, HB8 said call me. I got outta my call and said CALL YOU????? she turned around with an innocent face and shook her head "yah call me up later"!

I guess you know what I learned here: Be fluid. Pick up the type of bitch your target is and spit the right personallity at them. The one THEY would be most attracted to. Reply me, and say what other ways would you have decided to deal with it.

[Ashkon]

Originally posted by Ashkon
age: 17
Girlfriends: 2
Lays: 4 (# of different girls. if not ****ed, mentioned base # and # of girls)
Where you stand: 8 (AFC [brand new], dAFC [Still learning on a scale of <1-10>], PUA [a true artist])
short term goal: improve humor, and uniqueness. Take this super cute girls virginity, and then move on to her super hot friend.
either.

dass who i'm talkn about btw.

[jdiaz5513]

Huh...tough...

I'm no PUA, but maybe it takes an inexperienced person's eye to catch what went wrong here. I'll be honest, the PUA attitude lets out this whole sexy aura. You won't even have to say a thing about it but the girls will almost know you are a player. For the experienced HB's, this is great, and exactly the type of thing you want them to think. But, when it comes to the shy or unexperienced girls, they want something different. I feel safe to say that most of them would rather have the whole "lovey dovey" relationship type thing - or at least they THINK they do (most girls don't know what the fuk they really want...). If you give off the impression that all you want to do is fuk, they won't go for it - it'll just repel them. What I think you should do instead is change the c/f formula a bit - less cockiness, more funny. Most importantly, take it easy with the fast approach. Don't overwhelm her by making quick and strong moves - ease up on the game a bit. The whole idea is to not give off the impression that you just want to fuk her and leave...that's only going to turn her off.

Well, that was my two cents...criticize at will, but I have had a lot of experience with the shy type (I tend to be attracted to them), so I kinda know what I'm saying here. Good luck Ash.

btw - I wouldn't take the expression "call me" from her as such a bad thing...remember, she's inexperienced at this kind of thing, so she is bound to say things that would seem like rejections from an experienced HB.

[Ashkon]

Yah, I think they need a downtoearth person with full confidence. Normality looks straight forward to them comparing to uniquness.

And the phone call... You see I'v alrdy made out with her once when we walked home. So something did spark, but it seemed to fade off. Mostly because I got her friends emails, and numbers and flirted alot with them. Instead of her become jelouse, she got worried.
When she said "call me" she meant let's spark it back up. At least, I'm still going to take it that way.

I'm gonna say this to her, after I take her for a walk tomorrow:
"Can you be honost with me...? Are you a virgin? (she is i think) well, look i'v had enough experience and I don't crave for sex specially from you, since I know how important it is and It should be taken by the "right guy". Unless you ask me, I'm not gonna talk you into it."

This'd open her up for me ALOT more. Since she's young, and all her friends talk about is ****ing, sex, .... she willn't stand just listening to them. She'd want to try it, and she'd think "hmm.. He's probebly the right guy for all the space he gave me..."!

[_][_]

Originally posted by Ginobili
Here is the text file with all the lessons...everyone who hasn't please read this so we can keep this thread clean.

stolen from becomeaplayer.com?

[Ton]

This is my first post. I'm read the whole thread of Sauce and I must say it changed my life.

I live in The Netherland and I was the biggest AFC ever. I used to be a real skinny lozer and i'm bodybuilding for about a year now. I put on 25lbs. Once I had One-itis for a girl for about a whole year. I acted like a AFC buying things for her etc.. A few months ago I found Sauce his thead and I started reading it. I all sounds very logical. I read all the pages.

Last week I turned 18, I had been pactising for a while talking to girls. I'm getting the hang of it now. My birthday was the big day!! I had planned to become a real PUA.

On my birthday I went to Amsterdam with my father to buy myself some clothes. We walked into a shop and I saw two HB's one 7.5 and the other 8. HB 7.5 had put on a white shirt with coloured dots on it. (It was one of the most ugly shirts I've seen.)

I walked towards them and said.

Me "I shouldn't buy that if I where you."
HB 7.5 "Why not??"
Me "Those coloured dots are giving me a headache and the 60's where 40 jears ago."
HB's are smiling.
HB 7.5 "Wat should I wear then?"
I pick a black shirt and give it to her.
Me "Try this one"
HB 7.5 goes into a cubicle to try it.
HB 7.5 and 8 where smiling and I made good eyecontact. (B.T.W. my father wasn't listening to our confersation.)


I could not #close beqause my father wanted to leave. And Amsterdam isn't next to my door. But it was a nice conversation and I bought some nice clothes. (Good start on my birthday.)

In the evening I planned to sit at my place with some friends. And at 11.30 we went to a club. This was my night and I would at least get myself one #.

At the Club.
I walked through the culb to see if there was anything interesting. A friend of mine was walking after me. After a couple of minutes we spotted 3 HB's sitting at a table. My friend told me that he wanted to talk to HB 7.5, the others where 6 and 6.5. I sad down next to the HB 6.5 and started to talk to her.

Me "This looks like a enjoyable table."
She "Yes it is."
We fluf talked for a while about Janet Jackons piercing.
Then I decided it was time for a drink.
Me "Why do guys always have to buy drinks for Girls??
She "Beqause men have more money than women."
Me "Do you believe in emancipation?"
She "Yeah your right, it isn't fair."
Me "Oke you buy me one drink then."
She "went to the bar and bought me a beer." (That went easy!)

My friend (AFC) was doing really bad, HB 7.5 was only listening to my conversation with HB 6.5 and HB 6 left. While HB 6.5 was gitting my drink I decided go to HB 8 and sit next to her. I asked her what the picture on her shirt was. She said she didn't know. My beer had arrived and HB 7.5 was interested.
HB 7.5 was wearing a really short shirt.
Me "Isn't that shirt a bit too short?
She "No that's normal, do you think it's too short?"
Me "Almost. But is your mother okay with that?"
She (Smile)"She don't mind I can wear whatever I want."

At this moment we had good kino and eyecontact. We talked some about Janets Piercing and she told me she had one too. I dicided to try to kiss her. I stopt talking and we made eyecontact I first moved my head toward her and when I came close she also moved her lips towards mine.
Later I # closed her.

I decided that one number was enough for the night. My friend was suprised to see me kissing with HB 7.5, but he didn't mind. I think it was my confidence and humor made me interesting. After we kissed I told them it was by birthday, had to proof it with an ID.

I spend the rest of the night with her and we made out a couple of times.

[Ginobili]

Originally posted by ']['
stolen from becomeaplayer.com?

No actually these are all of what sauce head wrote and they are just in one big file.

[Ashkon]

Originally posted by Ton
At this moment we had good kino and eyecontact. We talked some about Janets Piercing and she told me she had one too. I dicided to try to kiss her. I stopt talking and we made eyecontact I first moved my head toward her and when I came close she also moved her lips towards mine.
Later I # closed her.

For one, good job for advancing. You must advance in the first chance you get.

And after that, the number one reason why you were successful was your confidence, then humor and cockiness or w.e other trait you threw at them..

keep it up.

[BigBryan1]

I'm reading this book at the moment entitled "How to win friends and influence people". Now it may sound like a sad title but thats not what the book is about. It gives great tips generally that you would use to improve your relationships with a boss for a promotion etc.. Just thought I'd share some of the advice it gives with coming off as a fun/easy to know person.

First when meeting anyone (male or female) you should smile and make eye contact (not with the guys). People are always interested in you when you are interested in them, so when you tone your voice into sounded genuinly interested with a female, they will automatically get a hint that you are easy to talk to. When you want to know what the girl wants, its easy, put yourself in her shoes. What do females who are horny want? Guys who aren't afraid to have fun and can show them a thing or two By giving them what they want (in terms of interest, dont go buying them ****) they will give you what you want. Once you can understand the way the human mind and emotions work you can almost manipulate, but thats an evil word ;P, I should say direct them to do things for you by getting them to agree with you and connect with you. I suggest you guys pick up a book like this to help you understand how you can trigger emotions and get people interested. I've been reading for 2 days, on page 60ish and I already have people doing things that work in my favor

[Ashkon]

Originally posted by BigBryan1
I'm reading this book at the moment entitled "How to win friends and influence people". Now it may sound like a sad title but thats not what the book is about. It gives great tips generally that you would use to improve your relationships with a boss for a promotion etc.. Just thought I'd share some of the advice it gives with coming off as a fun/easy to know person.

First when meeting anyone (male or female) you should smile and make eye contact (not with the guys). People are always interested in you when you are interested in them, so when you tone your voice into sounded genuinly interested with a female, they will automatically get a hint that you are easy to talk to. When you want to know what the girl wants, its easy, put yourself in her shoes. What do females who are horny want? Guys who aren't afraid to have fun and can show them a thing or two By giving them what they want (in terms of interest, dont go buying them ****) they will give you what you want. Once you can understand the way the human mind and emotions work you can almost manipulate, but thats an evil word ;P, I should say direct them to do things for you by getting them to agree with you and connect with you. I suggest you guys pick up a book like this to help you understand how you can trigger emotions and get people interested. I've been reading for 2 days, on page 60ish and I already have people doing things that work in my favor

Thx Ryan. The title dosent sound "sad". The book actually sounds really useful, because if you can develop yourself to becoming charming, everyone would love you. You'r confidence and independense will then seperate you from being a chump or a man. And thus, you'd have an image of an attractive charming man, who chix want to do you, and guys want to be around you.

Hook us up with more Ryan. Drive out the intresting communication skills, and mindsets, if not specific, generally towards people (male or female), and teach them to us.

[Bombshell]

Here ya go ash

V-day field report

There was a get-to-gether hb7 (was an 8 today she spacifically made her self look extra good) set up at a local bowling alley/bar with me and 5 other people. 3 girls 3 guys in all. We started off eating pizza & playing cards and I implemented some decent c/f. Then after about an hour the lanes opened and we did seven games in all. (the games went very fast about 15 mins a game) Anyway the hb 7 has already been into for a while so kino was very easy and very numerous. (stuff like face to face and side rubbing under the shirt. Anyway she definately had anti slut defense on since there were so many people but i still managed to lip kiss her about 3 times. They werent very good mostly because she was careful not to be seen when kissing and she is like 5 inches shorter than me lol. Other than that unfortunately I had to impliment most of the kino especially tword the end. Not sure if I overdid the kino or not but I had a good time.

BTW everyone keeps telling me to ask this chick out and I dont want a girlfriend because that goes against what you guys are teaching + I see this chick too much to have a break up. So what do you guys suggest I tell the people that keep nagging me to ask her out?

What I think I could have done better: more c/f durring the bowling, It was pretty late and im not funny when im tired. Better kisses. (BTW it was very easy but this was actually the first time kissing someone for me, also I think it also might have been the first time for her as well considering how high her anti slut shield is)

Also, yesterday durring math class the lights were off because it was a movie day and me and her sat next to each other and after about an hour of getting her horny with some leg kino, she let me rub her ...spot... for about a half hour (class ended) im pretty sure she liked it, but after that she seemed quite and not all over me like she normally is, untill the middle of the last class when i managed to finnally cheer her up. Anyone know what may have caused that? thx

[BigBryan1]

Originally posted by Ashkon
Thx Ryan. The title dosent sound "sad". The book actually sounds really useful, because if you can develop yourself to becoming charming, everyone would love you. You'r confidence and independense will then seperate you from being a chump or a man. And thus, you'd have an image of an attractive charming man, who chix want to do you, and guys want to be around you.

Hook us up with more Ryan. Drive out the intresting communication skills, and mindsets, if not specific, generally towards people (male or female), and teach them to us.

^ see what ashkon did? He encouraged me to post more because he thought my input was useful, and didn't bash on me trying to prove himself better than me like 90% of bb.com members do sadly. Thats a skill you can learn, to never criticize, condemn, or complain to people..which will win you more friends than you can handle. Here are some more of the lessons I've read about thus far in this book (How to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie, worth the money).

As for "fluff talk", this book refers to it as "How to become a good conversationalist"

"If you aspire to be a good conversationalist, be an attentive listener. To be interesting, be interested. Ask questions that other persons will enjoy answering. Encourage them to talk about themselves and their accomplishments"

Half of us don't like thinking of new topics to talk about with women am I right? If you could make it easier you would wihout a doubt. This technique would probably work better on a get to together with a female who's number you scored a few days ago. As you two talk about things, to get her interested in you, be interested in her. If she had recently taken a trip somewhere say mexico, something like "Mexico! Wow I've always wanted to go to mexico I hear its beautiful and loads of fun, tell me hotbabeimgonnafu** what was your best experience there?" will do great. As she begins to waste a few mins of your life with chit chat ;P, look her in her eyes as she responds, sit with your elbows over the table and lean into her direction, even tilt your head a little to look interested (also signs to check if shes interested in you). However don't focus too hard, your a laid back guy so look into her eyes with an easy stare. The goal here is to actually be interested in her which will make her think "Wow this guy genuinly listens to me and is great with conversation". Why are you great with conversation? Because you let her tell about herself and made her feel important, and everyone wants to feel important.

At the end of each series of chapters, the book lists its principles that you should try to live by, here are some.

FIVE WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU:
Become genuinly interested in other people.
Smile
Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves
Talk in terms of the other person's interest
Make the other person feel important, and do it sincerely.

These are also great tactics to improve relationships with family, co workers, basically to get ahead with people in life. The more people that like you, the more people will want to get to know you.

Post Script (important): Don't confuse this listening business and becoming genuinly interested in poeople with being a nice guy. Its a charming way to attract people to you, so remember your a charmer, not a sucker.

[Ashkon]

Originally posted by Bombshell
Here ya go ash

V-day field report

There was a get-to-gether hb7 (was an 8 today she spacifically made her self look extra good) set up at a local bowling alley/bar with me and 5 other people. 3 girls 3 guys in all. We started off eating pizza & playing cards and I implemented some decent c/f. Then after about an hour the lanes opened and we did seven games in all. (the games went very fast about 15 mins a game) Anyway the hb 7 has already been into for a while so kino was very easy and very numerous. (stuff like face to face and side rubbing under the shirt. Anyway she definately had anti slut defense on since there were so many people but i still managed to lip kiss her about 3 times. They werent very good mostly because she was careful not to be seen when kissing and she is like 5 inches shorter than me lol. Other than that unfortunately I had to impliment most of the kino especially tword the end. (1)Not sure if I overdid the kino or not but I had a good time.

(2)BTW everyone keeps telling me to ask this chick out and I dont want a girlfriend because that goes against what you guys are teaching + I see this chick too much to have a break up. So what do you guys suggest I tell the people that keep nagging me to ask her out?

What I think I could have done better: more c/f durring the bowling, It was pretty late and im not funny when im tired. Better kisses. (BTW it was very easy but this was actually the first time kissing someone for me, also I think it also might have been the first time for her as well considering how high her anti slut shield is)

(3)Also, yesterday durring math class the lights were off because it was a movie day and me and her sat next to each other and after about an hour of getting her horny with some leg kino, she let me rub her ...spot... for about a half hour (class ended) im pretty sure she liked it, but after that she seemed quite and not all over me like she normally is, untill the middle of the last class when i managed to finnally cheer her up. Anyone know what may have caused that? thx

1 - You cannot "overdue" Kino. But what you must do is to create anticipation. Let's say your around her, you do lots of kino, than 10 minz later you just stop touching her, in all cases. You won't go too close to her. You keep your distance, while talking to her. Every now and then, spark a convo with another girl paying no attention to Ms. Tiny. Then you start again, with laughter and fun. Then you stop. See what happens here: for one, if she enjoys the kino, which they most do as soon as they'r comfortable around you, she'll be craving for it (maybe unconciously), and as soon as you spark it up again, she'll enjoy it. Second reason is that you show her your not needy and you dont really get excited by her being all over you.

2 - Okay look, there is no "set of rules" here, only a guidline, where it MUST be tweaked so it will fit your personallity.

So I'll answer this one by puttin my self in your shoe. For me to have a girlfriend, she must be able to lightn up my mood EVERYTIME i see her. She must be nice and warm and inviting to me but no other dicks. She mustn't flirt like a slut behind my bakc and has to be a "good" girl OVERALL. Then she'd meet my standards and in this case, I'd try to be loyal to her as well. And here I'll have a healthy relationship. I'd introduce her to my folks, and she could take my little sister shopping. This is the reason why I don't have a girlfriend. Because the chix I sleep with, simply put up too easy, and sure enough, If i was able to get it, someone else would as well. (I'm VERY attractive to challange)
Anyway, so no girl would come in my "relationship" boundry unless she proofs to me that she deserves to cross this line. Even in this case, I have ot be ready as well. I must be prepared for a relationship, so half way in middle of it, I don't end up becoming attracted to other girls.To be prepared, I personally try to have my fun as much as I can untill i feel like I'd want to settle down a little. If you get this chick right off the bat, than you wouldnt be able to practice your game and develope it untill you think your set. She'd slow you down dramitically and maybe even destroy your self confidence. That's why it's hard for a fella who has had a long term relationship, to have another one.

3 - First of all, she could have been a bit shy. Second, she created anticipation on your ass, and third she wanted to show you that shez not all that EZ2GET. (which is all crap) Show absoloutly no attention to her attetude and if you think she liked it act like you know she liked it. Ignor her bs attetude. All girls have these so they don't come off too easy and needy. Did you notice you got more attracted to her untill you got to lightn her up again. (read #1 again)

[Ashkon]

Originally posted by BigBryan1
^ see what ashkon did? He encouraged me to post more because he thought my input was useful, and didn't bash on me trying to prove himself better than me like 90% of bb.com members do sadly. Thats a skill you can learn, to never criticize, condemn, or complain to people..which will win you more friends than you can handle. Here are some more of the lessons I've read about thus far in this book (How to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie, worth the money).

As for "fluff talk", this book refers to it as "How to become a good conversationalist"

"If you aspire to be a good conversationalist, be an attentive listener. To be interesting, be interested. Ask questions that other persons will enjoy answering. Encourage them to talk about themselves and their accomplishments"

Half of us don't like thinking of new topics to talk about with women am I right? If you could make it easier you would wihout a doubt. This technique would probably work better on a get to together with a female who's number you scored a few days ago. As you two talk about things, to get her interested in you, be interested in her. If she had recently taken a trip somewhere say mexico, something like "Mexico! Wow I've always wanted to go to mexico I hear its beautiful and loads of fun, tell me hotbabeimgonnafu** what was your best experience there?" will do great. As she begins to waste a few mins of your life with chit chat ;P, look her in her eyes as she responds, sit with your elbows over the table and lean into her direction, even tilt your head a little to look interested (also signs to check if shes interested in you). However don't focus too hard, your a laid back guy so look into her eyes with an easy stare. The goal here is to actually be interested in her which will make her think "Wow this guy genuinly listens to me and is great with conversation". Why are you great with conversation? Because you let her tell about herself and made her feel important, and everyone wants to feel important.

At the end of each series of chapters, the book lists its principles that you should try to live by, here are some.

FIVE WAYS TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU:
Become genuinly interested in other people.
Smile
Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves
Talk in terms of the other person's interest
Make the other person feel important, and do it sincerely.

These are also great tactics to improve relationships with family, co workers, basically to get ahead with people in life. The more people that like you, the more people will want to get to know you.

Post Script (important): Don't confuse this listening business and becoming genuinly interested in poeople with being a nice guy. Its a charming way to attract people to you, so remember your a charmer, not a sucker.

Bryan, this what we do here in my thread. Every line has to be a cause for a lesson. and Your stuff is gold.
Great stuff. These techniques are actually difficult to proceed. It's not easy being a good listener and I'm still practicing real hard. Best way to describe the feeling is to remind you of it.

Ever talked to a girl, where she seems to ask you ALOT of questions. You never mind answering them, because you feel like she likes to know you more. She is intrested in you and knowing as much as she can. YOU automatically become attracted to her beause you feel as if your accepted by her. You also feel as if YOUR a smooth talker, and you can talk to her easily, but infact, she has done all the wonders not your punk ass.

If you can pull this off to people, you'd be charming and attractive. I'm trying to blend this in with C/F which works great. Have both types of mood. Be a good listener mostly when shez isolated, but have a C/F personallity. Last night actually, this girl told me I'm so cocky. I took that as a huge compliment literly. I was teasing her like hell and wouldn't stop. I won all the conversations and had a total C/F attetude. Then she was telln me how shez moving to a very cold place tomorrow, and how she didn't like cold. I agreed with her and made her do more tlaking about her "feelings". After I threw in, "well the sad thign is, that you'd be surrounded by pinner diks, since its so cold" and got a huge burst of laugh outta her.

Ryan, I beg for more

[BigBryan1]

First off, I'd like to start my response with, I LOVE OLDER CHICKS. I don't know what it is but when I'm talking to the girls in my grade they all seem to be the same and bore me to death. During my classes with hot teachers I have the best time giving them eye contact and smiling and making jokes with them and it comes so natural. M.I.L.F hunter, here I come =D

[BigBryan1]

lol that post ^^ was a mistake i left out the rest of it because it automatically posted for me.

I can post some more stuff later, if you guys have aim send me a PM with your screen name and I can give you mine to if ya have questions.

[Bombshell]

Bump. Thanks for the good advice ash =)

[captain piddles]

this has got to be the most fascinating thread I have ever read
keep the posting up, we can all learn from it

[Ashkon]

No prob. guys.

This is the next part of "Different mindsets!?!" that I'v posted above...

I'll update this story untill I either get her or leave her.

Ok, so she told me to "call her" and I tried during the weekend but her phone was out of mins. I highly dought it had anything to do with me. Plus, I couldnt see the reason why she'd ask me to "call her" when I pay no Xtra attention to her, except that she actually wants me to call her.

I wanted to call her and ask her to go for a walk one morning. "I'm goin for a walk, wanna tag on?" sorta way. But I wasn't able to reach her. I thought, I should act a lil bit sweeter to show her that I have a romantic side as well. Sort of Isolate her and put the ball in her court for a bit to get her feel a little controlive over me, which could maybe cause more comfort for her. So today in the shower I was thinking about this, where I decided I shouldnt do it. I mean, I attracted her by the way I acted, teasing her, makn fun of her, and all. In the Dance, I sort of tried to hold her close to me (not 2 much to look "needy") but more then before. I even walked her to her class once when I had a spare. I did these becaues I felt like she's being a bit colder then usuall and I wanted to show her attention. But I attracted her by closing on her first, leaving her and all that, so I figured maybe I'll just play around with other girls and she'd give in sometime.

3 Hours later, my friend who came back from a trip called me. (the AFC who I could have fullfilled his gf's mouth w. my balls). I told him about how she thought "i just wanted to fuk her n leave" earlier. Appearntly he talked to his gf (this girls <HB8> best friend) and told him how I (Ashkon) did not like it when she kept her eyes open while we kissed. (mentioned in d above post). So she says: "Well Ashkon was trying to kiss her, she was tryn to push him off". To my eye that's not true. I grabbed her hand and brought her with my self somewhere where we could sit, and she gladly joined. I didn't make a move on her just because I wanted her to talk. She finally got up and gave me a hugged "awww..." "aww.. why?" "ur soo cute...!"
den we kissed, very gentelly. (2nd or third time makn out, throughout a few weeks).
He also told me that his gf said "HB8 says she only wanted to be Ashkon's **** buddy, but he seemed to want more, so she backed off and doznt like him"

So now, here I have one friend who has told me that she said "Ashkon looks like he jsut wants to **** me and leave me".... And after my friend says noway, she asks me to call her later that day.

And another who sais his gf (HB8s best friend) says HB8 told her that she just wanted a fuk buddy and Ashkon wanted more.

[Notice: I don't care what this girl thinks of ME at all. I'd need to know the reason why she backed off so I can flip it around in her eyes. Forexample, if I'm a player, I'd act a bit lighter and show her more attention. If I'm "needY" ignor her and attract her this way. But in either case its nothing but a Game to me. I'm alot more attracted ot her because she is coming off as a challange. I REALLY wanna tap it now, but once I do, I'm gone. So I practically don't care what my friends say to me about her, and it dosnt stop me from what I want. I'm filled with many more chances around me, but I still want to accomplish my goal, so I try not to give up all that easy.]

Here I used some of my chikionology to try to see which angel seems to be correct over the other. I asked my friend if he's spossed to tell me this, ("did ur girlfriend tell you NOT to tell anyone/me"). If so, it could have jus tbeen a lien chick talk. Afterall maybe the "gf" is a bit jelouse.
On the other hand, she seemed to buy "I dunt think he only wants to fuk u.." which my friend told her, and thus she asked me to call her.

So the second one seems to be winnning over the other, but even so, I'm deciding to continue my ignorance towards her. Because If i'm C/F, and shez attracted to me, if she let's it go because she's sick of not being able to see my romantic side, once she dose, she will take it. But if she only wants a tap from me, and I come off too needy, she'll feel as if she has me and i'm no more a challange.

Spit out ur opinions on this one. Put your self on my shoe and see what you would do and why. I'll keep trying and update you guys. see how close we get here.

chaw.