Can you use lipoderm and other fat burners at same time

**Slava** · 02-08-2004, 09:40 AM

I was wondering if you can use a product like lipoderm with another fat burner. Or would you haveto wait till your off the lipoderm to start using the other burner or something.

Cause i wanted to be on a fat burner like ephedra or an eca stack while cutting but lose more fat in targeted areas like my stomach instead of everywere. This might be dangerous though im not sure. Thats why im asking this question

**lackeeman** · 02-08-2004, 03:50 PM

id like to find out myself

**Add** · 02-08-2004, 05:35 PM

Of course you can. If fact I would highly rec. it. What fat burner are you playing on taking. Hope this helps.

**camo1131** · 02-08-2004, 06:00 PM

Definately run a fatburner with the lipoderm, since the lipoderm is only effective at a caloric deficeit this should help get you under maintenance.

However, I wouldnt stack it with any fb that contains yohimbine since there is Y in the lipoderm. A simple ECA would work perfect.

**Par Deus** · 02-09-2004, 12:43 PM

We recommend against it on the label, but it is pretty popular.

**Slava** · 02-09-2004, 07:49 PM

thanks guys

my next question is can i rub that stuff on my man-tits? Also would lipoderm and an ECA stack be safe for teens (i'm 16)?

**JohnnyWalker** · 02-09-2004, 07:55 PM

In a few days I will be using the following at once:

Lipoderm-Y
VPX's clenbutrx
VPX's redline

**Par Deus** · 02-09-2004, 09:35 PM

We recommend against anyone under 21 using our products, on all of our labels.

**Slava** · 02-10-2004, 06:37 AM

yeah but nothing will happen to me if i do right? like its just a precaution...like i wont get any bad side effects like steroids give teens right?

**j_neatherlin** · 02-10-2004, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyWalker
In a few days I will be using the following at once:

Lipoderm-Y
VPX's clenbutrx
VPX's redline

just curious, but why the redline and clenbutrx at the same time? will you be dosing each @ 50%?

i think this will work quite well for you, in any case.

**Judo** · 02-10-2004, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by Slava
yeah but nothing will happen to me if i do right? like its just a precaution...like i wont get any bad side effects like steroids give teens right?

No, you won't get "bad side effects like steroids give teens." The warning on the label is just for liability purposes.

**eru** · 02-10-2004, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyWalker
In a few days I will be using the following at once:

Lipoderm-Y
VPX's clenbutrx
VPX's redline

Are you nuts?

**afrolov** · 02-10-2004, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyWalker
In a few days I will be using the following at once:

Lipoderm-Y
VPX's clenbutrx
VPX's redline

Cool. Thow in some T3, clen, DNP, and you're set.

Or, alternatively, you can just stab yourself in the face and save plenty of time and pain.

**Judo** · 02-10-2004, 10:50 AM

is that supposed to be some dangerous stack? IMO it just seems to be overkill. I'd use the lipoderm and clenbutrx together, save the redline for later. These supps are a far cry from T3 and DNP.

**whutevr** · 02-10-2004, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyWalker
In a few days I will be using the following at once:

Lipoderm-Y
VPX's clenbutrx
VPX's redline

Geez, you don't take clenbutrex and redline togther.
Doesn't anybody read the labels?

**pu12en12g** · 02-10-2004, 10:58 AM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par36.htm

I'm going to be running Lipoderm + capsaicin + Nicotine + NYC this spring. I'm wondering though, if DMSO or Aloe would enhance the Lipoderm penetration though.. any thoughts Par ?

**Par Deus** · 02-10-2004, 11:14 AM

I would not add those.

**JohnnyWalker** · 02-10-2004, 02:51 PM

no im going to take lipoderm and clenbutrx together then take the lipoderm and redline together

**pu12en12g** · 02-11-2004, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Par Deus
I would not add those.

Thanks much for the response.

**ThaPeoplesChamp** · 02-11-2004, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by pu12en12g
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par36.htm

I'm going to be running Lipoderm + capsaicin + Nicotine + NYC this spring. I'm wondering though, if DMSO or Aloe would enhance the Lipoderm penetration though.. any thoughts Par ?

Speaking from experience, Ab-Solved or Lipo-Ultra will work much better with the capsaicin. Cap. is lipophilic and Lipoderm is a hydrophilic carrier.

Not that Lipo won't work, but a lipophilic carrier is better suited.

**Par Deus** · 02-11-2004, 09:20 PM

Neither is likely to make your skin and sensory nerves happy at all, though the feedback IS really good.

**pu12en12g** · 02-12-2004, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by ThaPeoplesChamp
Speaking from experience, Ab-Solved or Lipo-Ultra will work much better with the capsaicin. Cap. is lipophilic and Lipoderm is a hydrophilic carrier.

Not that Lipo won't work, but a lipophilic carrier is better suited.

Ok, I don't understand that last comment... are you saying that Lipoderm Ultra has a different carrier for the Y-HCL ?

I didn't hear about that. When comparing the ingredients, I decided that I didn't want the local diuretic effect, didn't want the caffeine, didn't need the Synephrine HCl, and am already taking ALCAR seperately. So I chose regular Lipoderm-Y (to be included in my stack).

Lipoderm Y:

Yohimbine HCL

Lipoderm Ultra:

Lecithin
Sesamin
Caffeine
Octopamine
Synephrine HCl
ALCAR
Ascorbyl Palmitate

By the way, I have found that Capsaicin is not as painful as I expected.

**ThaPeoplesChamp** · 02-12-2004, 07:33 AM

Yes, Lipo-Ultra is amphiphilic, as Lipoderm is simply Hydrophilic.

**pu12en12g** · 02-12-2004, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by TSC
I could be wrong, but I think for just the capsaicin effect, the original formula would actually be better. You won't get the benefit of the other ingredients of ultra or odb, but I just have the feeling that not all of the cap is getting into solution with the ultra. Obviously enough is to make it work, but I think if you use something that is less saturated with other ingredients it would work better.

Any thoughts on this Par ?

**Tkarrde** · 02-12-2004, 08:24 AM

Not Par, but as I recall the amount of Cap. and Nicotine needed is not enough to saturate the ULTRA formula (though it is quite near saturation as-is).

Ultra/ODB are the preferred products for most who try this, though if you do not want the caffeine, ALCAR, etc., I see no reason why you cannot use LipoDerm-Y (though I think it will be less effective).

**Par Deus** · 02-13-2004, 09:59 AM

Lipo Ultra and ODB will be less efficient because of the high degree of saturation they already have.

Regular Lipo will be less efficient because it is designed for a hydrophillic active.

Ab-Solved would probably be the best for efficiency, but it also is the most likely to cause irritation.

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