Hi all, I'm a newcomer to the sport.
My "encyclopedia of bodybuilding" recommends using a weightlifting belt for : squats, deatlifts, shrugs, shoulder presses and bent over rows
I don't use heavy weights as I'm just starting out. I've been lifting for 2 months and I only squat 70 lbs, but the weight is getting bigger every week.
Should I use a belt to support my lower back or is it unnecesarry for such small weights?
Thanks
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Thread: Weight lifting belt YES or NO
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02-07-2004, 12:20 PM #1
Weight lifting belt YES or NO
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02-07-2004, 12:30 PM #2
Re: Weight lifting belt YES or NO
Originally posted by vic1974
Hi all, I'm a newcomer to the sport.
My "encyclopedia of bodybuilding" recommends using a weightlifting belt for : squats, deatlifts, shrugs, shoulder presses and bent over rows
I don't use heavy weights as I'm just starting out. I've been lifting for 2 months and I only squat 70 lbs, but the weight is getting bigger every week.
Should I use a belt to support my lower back or is it unnecesarry for such small weights?
Thanks
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02-07-2004, 12:34 PM #3
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02-07-2004, 01:01 PM #4
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02-07-2004, 01:06 PM #5
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02-07-2004, 04:40 PM #6Originally posted by BoxSquat
I'm waiting till i hit a 500lb squat. Then i may think about buying a belt.WARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.
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02-07-2004, 04:52 PM #7
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02-07-2004, 09:12 PM #8
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02-08-2004, 02:54 AM #9
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02-08-2004, 07:50 AM #10
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02-08-2004, 09:30 AM #11
A belt is only a crutch. If you always wear a belt, your core will never get strong. I know there are some serious guys who use belts because they are competing and they need to put up the highest numbers possible, but in the end, you are cheating yourself out of power. The harder it is, the stronger you become.
Plus, everyone I ever see wearing a belt is a tool. Just strapping on a belt so you look cool, or can show off and squat 20 more pounds or so. Some douchebags never take it off, I see them doing bicep curls in the power rack with a belt on. I can't even begin to start with what's wrong with that picture.
Anyway, in real life, when that boulder is about to crush your buddy, are you going to be wearing your weightbelt? When some punk starts something at a bar, and you want to toss him out the window, are you going to be wearing your triple-ply lifting suit under your dockers? Huh? If you can't use your strength in real life without a crutch, then why even train?
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02-08-2004, 06:46 PM #12Originally posted by vic1974
sure were right evo, i'm gonna buy a ez bar insteadWARNING: This post may contain material offensive to those who lack wit, humor, common sense and/or supporting factual or anecdotal evidence. All statements and assertions contained herein may be subject to literary devices not limited to: irony, metaphor, allusion and dripping sarcasm.
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02-08-2004, 07:39 PM #13
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02-10-2004, 08:47 AM #14Originally posted by Soshyopathe
A belt is only a crutch. If you always wear a belt, your core will never get strong. I know there are some serious guys who use belts because they are competing and they need to put up the highest numbers possible, but in the end, you are cheating yourself out of power. The harder it is, the stronger you become.
Plus, everyone I ever see wearing a belt is a tool. Just strapping on a belt so you look cool, or can show off and squat 20 more pounds or so. Some douchebags never take it off, I see them doing bicep curls in the power rack with a belt on. I can't even begin to start with what's wrong with that picture.
Anyway, in real life, when that boulder is about to crush your buddy, are you going to be wearing your weightbelt? When some punk starts something at a bar, and you want to toss him out the window, are you going to be wearing your triple-ply lifting suit under your dockers? Huh? If you can't use your strength in real life without a crutch, then why even train?
Ok buddy you are an idiot.... a belt reduces strength gains?! hA!
and they use it to look cool? ... are u insecure or something? cant afford one? dumbass, belts are used as back support to prevent injury, thats why i use it, people dont use them to look "cool " how old are u ? 13? jesus i swear some people on these boards think there so hardcore cause they post on boards they feel so smart. I know sometimes i get back pains and if i slip without a belt my back is !@#$.. with a belt i can feel safer, you probabaly do squats on smith machine hah... please educate yourself before posting. Oh and i can do just as much weights with or without a belt ... jeez..
-peace6ft
220
12% bf
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02-10-2004, 10:21 AM #15
I have experimented with belts, I feel like I dont need one/ it gets in the way more than it helps. I think it is best not to wear one in order for your core to develop the most possible strength. However, someday when I can squat some bigger weights I will probably wear a belt on max or near max attempts.
Its a personal preference, but if you wear a belt all the time I think your cutting yourself short on core strength.Powerlifting since August 2003
bench...285
deadlift...395
squat...300
Total...980
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02-10-2004, 10:46 AM #16Originally posted by TiNyTim
a belt reduces strength gains?! hA!
and they use it to look cool?
are u insecure or something? cant afford one? dumbass
If you have use a belt for EVERY exercise, you will not work your core enough and it will not be strong enough for heavy weights without a belt.
A lot of people walk into the gym, belt done up no matter what exercise they are doing. Even on chins or bicep curls (yes i know these are a back exercise for some people )
They are overused by a LOT of people. But there is no reason to now use them in moderation.
Just think you may have gone a bit too far with your "putting him in his place".
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02-10-2004, 11:11 AM #17
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02-10-2004, 12:12 PM #18
What the hell is so hard to understand? If you use a tool to help you every time you squat or DL, you are not going to be as strong as if you had done it with no equipment. It's simple. If you can't squat a load because your core can't support you, are you going to strengthen your core, or buy a better belt? Where does it stop?
Yeah, it's personal preference. It's exactly the same as using wrist straps instead of training your grip. If you want to cut corners to put up more numbers in the gym, you sacrifice some of your functional strength outside of the gym. You aren't always going to have your equipment on you. Might as well train so that your body can handle a load without a crutch.
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02-10-2004, 12:47 PM #19
Umm... ok..
either you go to the gym on back day to train back.... or to train forearms....
i do not expect to train my forarms from doing deadlifts im not sure mabye you do .... thats why i use straps.. when i plan to workout forarms i will not wear straps..
i see no reason in holding back my deadlift because my forearms cant handle the weight... so if u decide to stop lifting heavy weighs cause ur scared of useing "crutches" thats fine.. just dont tell other people too cause u dont know what ur talkin about ok
and some people actually do have back problems which require them to where a belt, an older friend of mine does.
also the "core" dont know wut muscle that is must be a knew one .. hmp.. do u mean abs or lower back? what is this forum anyways does anyone know anything here? common..!6ft
220
12% bf
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02-10-2004, 01:08 PM #20
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02-10-2004, 06:44 PM #21Originally posted by TiNyTim
Umm... ok..
either you go to the gym on back day to train back.... or to train forearms....
i do not expect to train my forarms from doing deadlifts im not sure mabye you do .... thats why i use straps.. when i plan to workout forarms i will not wear straps..
i see no reason in holding back my deadlift because my forearms cant handle the weight... so if u decide to stop lifting heavy weighs cause ur scared of useing "crutches" thats fine.. just dont tell other people too cause u dont know what ur talkin about ok
and some people actually do have back problems which require them to where a belt, an older friend of mine does.
also the "core" dont know wut muscle that is must be a knew one .. hmp.. do u mean abs or lower back? what is this forum anyways does anyone know anything here? common..!
It's really not that hard to figure out, its called common sense.
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02-10-2004, 06:58 PM #22
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02-10-2004, 07:00 PM #23
Lets say you hurt your back,lifting groceries.You wear a backbrace for a few weeks,it starts to feel good.Do you think your back is getting stronger?Nope,its not.It wont til you take off that backbrace.Work the core muscles without the belt,maybe wear it right before a comp,and during the comp.
Lifting straps?I suppose you wear gloves,lycra shorts,and a rashgaurd also.Ahh,the toys of someone who does pulldowns.
LOL.Prowling over the mountains,wielding a sharpened screwdriver,cometh CoreNobody!And he giveth a mighty bellow"I'm going to smack you until you're a parapalegic!!!"
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02-10-2004, 08:31 PM #24
My apologies, i never realized you guys did squats for the abs workout it gives you
i usually just did abs when i wanted to do abs... thats intresting..
so i take it you guys do deadlifts for the forearm workout it gives you.
I think my grandma once hurt her back lifting groceries but i never saw her wearing a belt. She musta gotten realllly strong afterwards without the belt and all she never had to workout the "core". Its someones personal preference if they wish to use a belt or not, personally i wouldnt dare go to high in weight without a belt for risk of injury, it does not make you stronger, just allows you to reach higher peaks so that you can do more weight with or without the belt. You call it a crutch i call you a dumbass and i bet you have never worn a belt before so you wouldnt even know what it feels like.
And to think i once came to these boards for advice..
best advice you can give someone is to not come to these boards.
-peace6ft
220
12% bf
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02-11-2004, 11:03 AM #25Originally posted by TiNyTim
My apologies, i never realized you guys did squats for the abs workout it gives you
i usually just did abs when i wanted to do abs... thats intresting..
so i take it you guys do deadlifts for the forearm workout it gives you.
We can agree its personal preference, your looking at it from a bodybuilding point of view and I am looking at it from a powerlifting point of view.
I do deadlifts to get better at deadlifts (strengthening almost every muscle in my posterior chain is bonus )Powerlifting since August 2003
bench...285
deadlift...395
squat...300
Total...980
www.fortifiediron.net/invision/
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02-11-2004, 11:05 AM #26Originally posted by Soshyopathe
A belt is only a crutch. If you always wear a belt, your core will never get strong. I know there are some serious guys who use belts because they are competing and they need to put up the highest numbers possible, but in the end, you are cheating yourself out of power. The harder it is, the stronger you become.
Plus, everyone I ever see wearing a belt is a tool. Just strapping on a belt so you look cool, or can show off and squat 20 more pounds or so. Some douchebags never take it off, I see them doing bicep curls in the power rack with a belt on. I can't even begin to start with what's wrong with that picture.
Anyway, in real life, when that boulder is about to crush your buddy, are you going to be wearing your weightbelt? When some punk starts something at a bar, and you want to toss him out the window, are you going to be wearing your triple-ply lifting suit under your dockers? Huh? If you can't use your strength in real life without a crutch, then why even train?
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02-11-2004, 12:42 PM #27
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02-11-2004, 12:53 PM #28Originally posted by TiNyTim
also the "core" dont know wut muscle that is must be a knew one .. hmp.. do u mean abs or lower back? what is this forum anyways does anyone know anything here? common..!
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02-11-2004, 01:37 PM #29
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02-11-2004, 03:40 PM #30
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I use one on max out attempts for squats and deadlifts, although i do wear it when i do heavy benches to keep me stable on the bench which is like once every week. I wear it relativly loose though on the bench so it doesn't give too much support. Helps me keep my arch a tad better. Your body can become to dependant on equipment if you wear it TOO often. Always be sure to work your core to get it as strong as possible so your body doesn't become weaker from constant use. Some beltless lower back work is always good too. I havn't been using one for any of my leg and lower back work as of late and i have been feeling good. I am training my core every Thursday now hardcore.
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Squat: 540 (belt/wraps well below paralell)
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