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Hi i need some pictures of bodyfat %'s so i can compare myself to them and get a good idea of where i am at this point and down the road.....anything from 8-20 would be good thanks!!!
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Objectifying the States of Muscularity

I posted this earlier in SuperBraso's thread, but since you asked, it applies here too.

In the book "SLICED" (by Bill Reynolds & Negrita Jayde), the states of muscularity are objectified as follows (I'll summarize each):

1. Full house = Over or near 20% bodyfat with no visible muscle definition and only a hint of separation between major muscle groups if those groups are very large. Basically a person in this state could be confused for a football linebacker. If you're higher than this bodyfat percentage, you'd be considered overweight/obese.

Here are some examples of the Full House state:

Tankus: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1874224

CrazyMike: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2272262

2. Hard = Some muscle separation appears between delts and upper arm. Abs are still not visible. Approximately 15% bodyfat.

Here's a picture of Railz in the Hard state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1045047
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2114990

3. Cut = More muscle separation appears particularly in the chest and back, outline of the abs begins to appear slightly. Approximate bodyfat level = 12%

Here's are 2 examples of Abdominator in the Cut state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705834
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705878

4. Defined = Muscle separations get deeper in the arms, chest, legs and back, and abs appear when flexed. Approx. bodyfat level = 10%

Here's an example of Abdominator in the Defined state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2117293

5. Ripped = Abs are clearly visible all the time, vascularity in arms is prominent, chest and back separation is obvious, and face is starting to appear more angular. Condition can be held indefinitely. Approximate bodyfat level = 7-9%

Here are some examples of the Ripped state:

Railz: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1371361

Abdominator: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2075745

6. Shredded = Striations appear in large muscle groups when they are flexed. You look small in clothes, but look fantastic when you're not. Vascularity appears in lower abdomen and in the legs. Condition can be held for several days with careful dieting. Competitive bodybuilders often aim for this state for competition day. Approximate bodyfat level = 5-7%

Here are some example of the Shredded state:

ShaneG85: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1878949

Freaker: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...&postid=470182

Abdominator: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2168597

7. Sliced = Muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. Bodyfat levels are close to 3% and subcutaneous water levels are near 0. Condition can only be held for a few hours at a time. Not a healthy condition to stay in due to lower water level.

Here's an example of someone in the Sliced state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2248100

Anywho, perhaps you can use this guide to determine how far you're progressing. If/when you decide to cut, make sure you give yourself 12-16 weeks to do it. It won't happen overnight, but the results can be striking when you get into the final 2-3 weeks.

Hope this helps.

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Old 01-20-2004, 05:22 PM   #3
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Re: Objectifying the States of Muscularity

Wow that was such a good post.



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I posted this earlier in SuperBraso's thread, but since you asked, it applies here too.

In the book "SLICED" (by Bill Reynolds & Negrita Jayde), the states of muscularity are objectified as follows (I'll summarize each):

1. Full house = Over or near 20% bodyfat with no visible muscle definition and only a hint of separation between major muscle groups if those groups are very large. Basically a person in this state could be confused for a football linebacker. If you're higher than this bodyfat percentage, you'd be considered overweight/obese.

Here are some examples of the Full House state:

Tankus: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1874224

CrazyMike: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2272262

2. Hard = Some muscle separation appears between delts and upper arm. Abs are still not visible. Approximately 15% bodyfat.

Here's a picture of Railz in the Hard state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1045047
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2114990

3. Cut = More muscle separation appears particularly in the chest and back, outline of the abs begins to appear slightly. Approximate bodyfat level = 12%

Here's are 2 examples of Abdominator in the Cut state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705834
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705878

4. Defined = Muscle separations get deeper in the arms, chest, legs and back, and abs appear when flexed. Approx. bodyfat level = 10%

Here's an example of Abdominator in the Defined state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2117293

5. Ripped = Abs are clearly visible all the time, vascularity in arms is prominent, chest and back separation is obvious, and face is starting to appear more angular. Condition can be held indefinitely. Approximate bodyfat level = 7-9%

Here are some examples of the Ripped state:

Railz: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1371361

Abdominator: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2075745

6. Shredded = Striations appear in large muscle groups when they are flexed. You look small in clothes, but look fantastic when you're not. Vascularity appears in lower abdomen and in the legs. Condition can be held for several days with careful dieting. Competitive bodybuilders often aim for this state for competition day. Approximate bodyfat level = 5-7%

Here are some example of the Shredded state:

ShaneG85: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1878949

Freaker: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...&postid=470182

Abdominator: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2168597

7. Sliced = Muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. Bodyfat levels are close to 3% and subcutaneous water levels are near 0. Condition can only be held for a few hours at a time. Not a healthy condition to stay in due to lower water level.

Here's an example of someone in the Sliced state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2248100

Anywho, perhaps you can use this guide to determine how far you're progressing. If/when you decide to cut, make sure you give yourself 12-16 weeks to do it. It won't happen overnight, but the results can be striking when you get into the final 2-3 weeks.

Hope this helps.

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Old 01-20-2004, 05:41 PM   #5
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that it was, was definetly a great help, but made me come to the conclusion im a fat ass :-D
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Old 01-20-2004, 05:45 PM   #6
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skip, that was a great post. just out of curiousity, how do YOU test your bf%? do you have calipers? i may invest in a set - i saw a set for $20 last week - not bad. according to your post, i guess i'm defined (same characteristics as you in that pic), though, i dont have nearly the size that you do.
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Re: Objectifying the States of Muscularity

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Originally posted by Abdominator
I posted this earlier in SuperBraso's thread, but since you asked, it applies here too.

In the book "SLICED" (by Bill Reynolds & Negrita Jayde), the states of muscularity are objectified as follows (I'll summarize each):

1. Full house = Over or near 20% bodyfat with no visible muscle definition and only a hint of separation between major muscle groups if those groups are very large. Basically a person in this state could be confused for a football linebacker. If you're higher than this bodyfat percentage, you'd be considered overweight/obese.

Here are some examples of the Full House state:

Tankus: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1874224

CrazyMike: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2272262

2. Hard = Some muscle separation appears between delts and upper arm. Abs are still not visible. Approximately 15% bodyfat.

Here's a picture of Railz in the Hard state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1045047
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2114990

3. Cut = More muscle separation appears particularly in the chest and back, outline of the abs begins to appear slightly. Approximate bodyfat level = 12%

Here's are 2 examples of Abdominator in the Cut state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705834
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1705878

4. Defined = Muscle separations get deeper in the arms, chest, legs and back, and abs appear when flexed. Approx. bodyfat level = 10%

Here's an example of Abdominator in the Defined state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2117293

5. Ripped = Abs are clearly visible all the time, vascularity in arms is prominent, chest and back separation is obvious, and face is starting to appear more angular. Condition can be held indefinitely. Approximate bodyfat level = 7-9%

Here are some examples of the Ripped state:

Railz: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1371361

Abdominator: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2075745

6. Shredded = Striations appear in large muscle groups when they are flexed. You look small in clothes, but look fantastic when you're not. Vascularity appears in lower abdomen and in the legs. Condition can be held for several days with careful dieting. Competitive bodybuilders often aim for this state for competition day. Approximate bodyfat level = 5-7%

Here are some example of the Shredded state:

ShaneG85: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=1878949

Freaker: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...&postid=470182

Abdominator: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2168597

7. Sliced = Muscles and tendons begin to appear in the face when chewing, striations appear everywhere and vascularity appears everywhere. Bodyfat levels are close to 3% and subcutaneous water levels are near 0. Condition can only be held for a few hours at a time. Not a healthy condition to stay in due to lower water level.

Here's an example of someone in the Sliced state:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...postid=2248100

Anywho, perhaps you can use this guide to determine how far you're progressing. If/when you decide to cut, make sure you give yourself 12-16 weeks to do it. It won't happen overnight, but the results can be striking when you get into the final 2-3 weeks.

Hope this helps.

- Skip
Great post. CrazyMike is above 20% BF? He looks a little lower than that. Other than that minor detail, awesome post and great info as always Skip!
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Old 01-21-2004, 12:07 AM   #9
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That would make a great sticky, Skip.
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whoah that last guy....i've never see anyone that ripped before lol
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Re: Re: Objectifying the States of Muscularity

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Great post. CrazyMike is above 20% BF? He looks a little lower than that. Other than that minor detail, awesome post and great info as always Skip!
yea thats the only mistake i saw in that. crazy mike doesn't look like he's carrying THAT much bodyfat to be considered a "fullhouse" id say he's more in the "hard" catagory.
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Re: Re: Re: Objectifying the States of Muscularity

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yea thats the only mistake i saw in that. crazy mike doesn't look like he's carrying THAT much bodyfat to be considered a "fullhouse" id say he's more in the "hard" catagory.
Yep. Just a minor typo I noticed. Other than that, that is a really helpful thread to those who do not have calipers.
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abdominator... in the shredded pic of you, you look like a really really scary ghandi... like what ghandi would look like if he said "F*CK passive resistance, i'm gonna kick some ass!!!!"
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abdominator... in the shredded pic of you, you look like a really really scary ghandi... like what ghandi would look like if he said "F*CK passive resistance, i'm gonna kick some ass!!!!"
bump, I just knew someone was gonna say it...lol
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Re: Re: Re: Objectifying the States of Muscularity

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yea thats the only mistake i saw in that. crazy mike doesn't look like he's carrying THAT much bodyfat to be considered a "fullhouse" id say he's more in the "hard" catagory.
True, CrazyMike is closer to HARD than FULL HOUSE, but it does show you the range of definition types that can appear in one category.

As far as measuring bodyfat, some people use calipers, others use water emersion and some use infrared (as I have in the past). It's difficult to be truly accurate when it comes to bodyfat percentage, mostly because you can have a low subcutaneous fat level, but still have fat surrounding your internal organs.

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abdominator... in the shredded pic of you, you look like a really really scary ghandi... like what ghandi would look like if he said "F*CK passive resistance, i'm gonna kick some ass!!!!"
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bump, I just knew someone was gonna say it...lol
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Old 01-21-2004, 02:12 PM   #17
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I notice you said linebackers look like they have 20ish bodyfat, is that true? I always thought they were fairly lean like 12%ish and linemen were 20ish?
lol sorry to detour from the post, I was just curious
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Hey S4V4G3,

Let's see your pics bro!! Are they on here somewhere in another forum??
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I notice you said linebackers look like they have 20ish bodyfat, is that true? I always thought they were fairly lean like 12%ish and linemen were 20ish?
lol sorry to detour from the post, I was just curious
no no no lol, linebackers can have very very low bodyfats

LINEMEN prob have 20+
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great post, I'm putting this in my favorites as a guide to the cutting path...never going to get shredded not unless you paid me a lot of money...and I mean A LOT!
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awesome post skippy! strations are awesome! i have them on my delts, not as prominent as shanes tho!

i propose that skips table of bf% and pics be encoperated into a sticky somwhere
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Yeah, this would make a good sticky somewhere - people are constantly asking about estimating body fat from pictures.
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no no no lol, linebackers can have very very low bodyfats

LINEMEN prob have 20+
that's exactly what I thought. I guess outside linebackers would have the lowest and then middle linebackers would have a bit more but I can't seem them exceeding 15% and yea I woulda thought offensive linemen would've been around the 20% mark
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I plan to keep on bulking for over a year in the full house state but then I want to cut down to 8-10% and stay there forever. Is this a method that a lot of people use?
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Yeah, this would make a good sticky somewhere - people are constantly asking about estimating body fat from pictures.



definately, and perhaps skip can slowly add to each catagory. excellant post ab man!
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whoah that last guy....i've never see anyone that ripped before lol
lol not ripped...but SLICED folks...theres a difference

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Skip...take a look..might want to put this guy in the "sliced" catagory..judging from his face lol
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it says shredded can be held for several days but one of my old roomates maintains 5%. He works out mainly just his chest, biceps, and triceps. His bench press slowly gets heavier but he never adds any size, although he always does look really shredded when he takes off his shirt.
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I used to have a guy work for me. he maintained an insane low amount of fat. he drank black coffee all day and smoked like a train lol. (obviously not a body builder..but neither is your roommate)
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Personally I think that 'sliced' pic looks absolutely ridiculous. Why anyone would ever want to have that low of bodyfat is beyond me.
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