Can Rene Toney (woman) participate in men's competition?

[hehehaha]

See her stats:

Right bicep: 20"

Left bicep: 20.25"

Thighs: 30"

Calves: 19.5"

Isn't that good enough to compete in men's competition? She would rank atleast #5 in there. Is it true?

[MassIsAhead]

the distinction between man and woman is a little odd when competitors have un-human hormone levels.

Interesting discussion.

[chuckgee]

See her stats:

Right bicep: 20"

Left bicep: 20.25"

Thighs: 30"

Calves: 19.5"

Isn't that good enough to compete in men's competition? She would rank atleast #5 in there. Is it true?

those stats are nice..but lets put those stats against lets say phil heath who's stats may be around the same do u think she can beat him????.,....women are genetically built different from men and hence stats on paper will not be comparable actually to a mans size, shape, symmetry or muscularity

[sixzebra]

I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but that;s one reason women's bb'ing doesn't get the respect it deserves. I'm not saying her specifically but overall. Now I respect her or anyone's decision to get freaky huge. But come on, you can't disagree that some take it waaay to far. At least too far for mainstream to understand or accept. Its really a shame because some of the pro women bb'rs are stunning. Cathy LeFrancois, Lenda Murray and Gayle Moher to name a few.

But getting back to your orignal question, I say let her go up against the Big Boys! It would be interesting to see how she'd fare.

[Mortis]

Women should compete with men, on the same stage.

The current bodybuilding shows do very poorly and are a financial drain on the IFBB, not to mention an embarrassment for the girls themselves when they expect a serious turnout.

That's why they have to resort acts like this to keep people in their seats:

[-N-]

Call me a little old fashioned, but there is a difference between a man and a woman. I'm always grateful for that.

[Kovalchuk]

Renee is in a league of her own.. everytime I open up the mags I have to do a double take to make sure it ain't Charles Glass and/or Ronnie Coleman.

Lenda Murray on the other hand has a wicked impressive physique and still looks like a female.

[SkeetSkeet]

uhh no she shouldnt cuz shes a woman? The shows are judging male physiques not female physiques and just cuz the chicks sometimes have male like physiques doesnt mean they should be in the line up (no hate on big lady bodybuilders, i appreciate what they do).

I mean, boys have penises and girls have vaginas, just ask arnold

[Mortis]

I mean, boys have penises and girls have vaginas, just ask arnold

I'm sure he knows, having swung both ways at different points in his career.

[747]

I aggree that they should be on different stages. Just a different make up and all of that.

[StrongT]

Renee is in a league of her own.. everytime I open up the mags I have to do a double take to make sure it ain't Charles Glass and/or Ronnie Coleman.

Lenda Murray on the other hand has a wicked impressive physique and still looks like a female.

not tryin' to flame anyone, but are u serious?

[Kovalchuk]

I thought a pic might add some spice to the debate...

[feltmann]

freaky stuff
http://membres.lycos.fr/nathaliegass...eneeToney.html

[biggboii21]

freaky stuff
http://membres.lycos.fr/nathaliegass...eneeToney.html

wow that looks like a Man, might as well compete with them.

[Uriel_da_man]

When a "woman" grows facial hair, has a deeper voice than most 20 year olds, a micropenis and half a gram of testosterone running through "her" veins, I don't think it's really a woman.

Female bodybuilders do exactly the same thing that female to male transexuals do. What do you think that makes of them?

[John Prophet]

I thought a pic might add some spice to the debate...

dude....why did you post a pic of Jerome Ferguson?

[jcrue11]

She definitely looks "freaky" but not in a good way at all. I would have thought that it was a dude based off of the first pic.

[Gaffigan]

I LOVE BodyBuilding, and I admire and look up to guys like Jay, Ronnie, Dexter, etc. BUT, even I think that the fact that these guys usually range only from 5'6" (Branch Warren) to 5'10" (most of the other guys) and weigh 300+ pounds at times with a visible set of abs, is a bit weird! Amazing, but kind of weird when you sit down and really think about it. You just know that it's not quite "human" ...

These male (and female, of course) BodyBuilders work tremendously hard for their physiques, and you can't take that away from them. But, these WOMEN just gross me out, and I'm sorry for saying that if I have insulted anybody on here, but it's what I think, and the women look like freaks.

[bxbombers]

female bodybuilding makes me gag. you shouldnt pump testosterone into a woman. 'she' shouldnt compete with the men, but im sure barnum and baily might have an opeining

[Black Hercules]

I thought a pic might add some spice to the debate...

That's a MAN, baby!

[Flex500]

I'm sure someone will disagree with me, but that;s one reason women's bb'ing doesn't get the respect it deserves. I'm not saying her specifically but overall. Now I respect her or anyone's decision to get freaky huge. But come on, you can't disagree that some take it waaay to far. At least too far for mainstream to understand or accept. Its really a shame because some of the pro women bb'rs are stunning. Cathy LeFrancois, Lenda Murray and Gayle Moher to name a few.

But getting back to your orignal question, I say let her go up against the Big Boys! It would be interesting to see how she'd fare.

I completely agree with you in every way

[StrongT]

I LOVE BodyBuilding, and I admire and look up to guys like Jay, Ronnie, Dexter, etc. BUT, even I think that the fact that these guys usually range only from 5'6" (Branch Warren) to 5'10" (most of the other guys) and weigh 300+ pounds at times with a visible set of abs, is a bit weird! Amazing, but kind of weird when you sit down and really think about it. You just know that it's not quite "human" ...

These male (and female, of course) BodyBuilders work tremendously hard for their physiques, and you can't take that away from them. But, these WOMEN just gross me out, and I'm sorry for saying that if I have insulted anybody on here, but it's what I think, and the women look like freaks.

x2

[Titania]

While I understand that many people think Renne has pushed the boundaries too far, she is not at all deterred by those people. She does what she does because she loves it, controversial or not and that is what matters most.

She is a friend of mine and in person is a very genuine, caring woman and is every bit feminine in her mannerisms and personality.

While I agree that there are male and female competitions for good reasons, it would be interesting to see how she'd go against some of the guys. I'm sure she'd be intrigued by the idea too.

[rocco421]

at this point "she" is closer to a male than a female. While her mannerisms and personality may be feminine..so are a lot of homosexual males. What makes a woman a woman is her physical and biological sex distinctions. with all the testosterone pumping thru her body she has blurred these distinctions. when a man wants to become a woman, or vice versa, they use hormonal treatment. this is basically the same practice toney has used to gain muscle so i no longer consider her a female. therefore, let "her" comepete with the men, she would get crushed, but it would still be fun to see a comparison.

[rampagefc77]

looks like the type of girl u could bring home to mom

[rampagefc77]

on a serious note... is it normal for me to be jealous of a girls physique? thats insane congrats to her

[SW52]

Maybe she and the guys could go on Bubba the Love Sponge and have a cock-off!

[Contract Killer]

dude....why did you post a pic of Jerome Ferguson?

TOTALLY STOLE MY LINE

[skelemint]

i know its off topic, but who is she

[DaHooligan]

freaky stuff
http://membres.lycos.fr/nathaliegass...eneeToney.html

she is a great responder to roids....most guys dont even look that good when they take roid and train hard.

but she still looks incomplete compared to the pros her shoulders.