Cutting Cycle......... Winstrol\primo

ragingmofo · 01-10-2004, 02:34 AM

I am going to be doing a cutting cycle on winny and primobolean

1-2 weeks , I will be taking 300 MG A WEEK of primo(should i up the value)

2-8 weeks will take 50 mg of winny every other day and
300-400 mg of primo a week

its a 10 week cycle or I might make it 12, but since winny is toxic, I will stay for no more than 8 weeks, 9 maximum.

I was told by many users to add test but I would want to know if i would build mass from this cycle.

tivoliboy74 · 01-13-2004, 02:35 AM

To be honest i would add test, it would help cutting and you would still have the use of your nob.

ragingmofo · 01-13-2004, 09:17 AM

how many times am I gonna inject you know.........

I'll have more holes than a female.

Either how, this is big cats cycle and there is no need to add test, my knob will still work. Proviron is an option though, I heard it gives you lots of boners.

iron T · 01-13-2004, 09:24 AM

i would add a shot of test. per week, and some T4s to make sure.

ragingmofo · 01-13-2004, 09:35 AM

couldn't I use tribulus terrestris for testosterone. I really don't want to add another roid for sexual purposes, I heard of proviron but I don't know. I hope you guys can help me cause this chick told me if she finds out im doing roids then im done with her. She gave me an option....... roids or her.

PHit41 · 01-13-2004, 10:18 PM

no bro id go with test, you dont have to have large amounts say 350 mg/wk- 400mg/wk

you will add a few punds, all depends on diet and cardio if you are cutting. Have protein at 350 -400 grams and carbs at 50 breakfast and 75 for postworkout thats it (adjust if needed) also this is real laymens terms for intake (also dont forget fat)

with some proviron will give you bad as cuts with that winny

good luck

PHit

ragingmofo · 01-14-2004, 11:08 AM

ph, i have trouble consuing 1.1 grams of protein a pound with just food man.............. how in the hell am i goin gto consume 350 grams of protein daily?

stever · 01-14-2004, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by ragingmofo
ph, i have trouble consuing 1.1 grams of protein a pound with just food man.............. how in the hell am i goin gto consume 350 grams of protein daily?

Grab a tub of Whey and you should be good.

ragingmofo · 01-14-2004, 11:21 AM

which one is test? whats the full scientific name of the steroid? I probably researched on it, not very good with acronyms.

ragingmofo · 01-14-2004, 11:28 AM

my stats are 190 lbs 5'10, let me show a pic of my current physique......

ragingmofo · 01-14-2004, 11:34 AM

I can always grow more poundage but I always wanted a lean cut look like some men. I have no trouble gaining mass either how.

PHit41 · 01-14-2004, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by ragingmofo
which one is test? whats the full scientific name of the steroid? I probably researched on it, not very good with acronyms.

id go with a testosterone enanthate look in Big Cats profiles for a good description of it. I am just a firm believer in test as the basis of every cycle.

about the 350 grams of protein. u could go 300 when cutting you need to get those up though because that is what your muscles use to build more muscle. I would eat 7-8 times a day with about 45 grams of protien a meal. A large chicken breat will take care of that. A can of tuna has about 35g. turkey breast is a good one. A good 8 oz steak will easily break 60g...

PHit

iron T · 01-15-2004, 05:45 AM

Or you could go with Propionate 250mg/ml (TESTEX by Leo labs is whats used in europe dont know about USA) propionate is water based and works quick but is out of your system in say 4 days or so, just 1 shot a week should do it, as far as protien go with tuna, chicken breast, powders and skimmed milk, add some cardio work and with the winny and primo you will be sliced up before you know it, its simple as that, good luck man. also stay off clenbuterol its only for comps, you might gain mass from test. but its no bad thing, test in low doses is really not as bad as people say.

PHit41 · 01-15-2004, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by iron T
Or you could go with Propionate 250mg/ml,.. just 1 shot a week should do it

ive never heard something farther from the truth!! you need to do it eod at the most for prop to be effective. You need to not give advice likr this. Understand what an ester does to the base steroid?? if he were to do test enanthate or cypionate then once a week shots will work IMO

PHit

iron T · 01-16-2004, 08:05 AM

phit is a know it all so ask doctor phit, he got answers for everything.

TheAustrianOak · 01-16-2004, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by iron T
phit is a know it all so ask doctor phit, he got answers for everything.

actually hes right, so i dont know what the point of that sarcasm is when you are clearly wrong

PHit41 · 01-16-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by iron T
phit is a know it all so ask doctor phit, he got answers for everything.

i never once pretended to know it all. I am clearly not as knowledgable as some of the vets hanging around here, and i dont pretend to be. But if i see something completely wrong i will say something. Would you want this guy to give himself once a week injections of prop, i dont think so. He will be mislead and have the bb.com board to thank.

I also have to note i was never intending to make a personal attack on you.

PHit

meltedMnM · 01-16-2004, 01:55 PM

How many calories is he supposed to eat for cutting? because getting 350g of protein would be 1400cals not counting fat and carbs. Just curious not saying its wrong...

Can someone put a sample of what a cutting cycle like this would look like?

PHit41 · 01-16-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by meltedMnM
How many calories is he supposed to eat for cutting? because getting 350g of protein would be 1400cals not counting fat and carbs. Just curious not saying its wrong...

Can someone put a sample of what a cutting cycle like this would look like?

what i personally would do to get cut. I also drop carbs even lower if needed, but i can go even higher cuz i have a high metabalism. I also do cardio for an hour 3-4 days a week. His weight is a little less so he can adjust it accordingly.

Workout Days:

300 - 350 grams of protein
100 grams of carbs (50 bfast, 50 Post Workout)
60 grams of fat

Non-Workout Days:

250-300 grams of protein
25 grams of carbs for breakfast
60 grams of fat

meltedMnM · 01-16-2004, 06:54 PM

HMm interesting would the lowe carbs affect any possibility of still getting some lean mass from the cycle? And you said you go lower that would be ketogenic, so which is more effective with a cycle? and third, is there a different rule for the amaunt of calories to take or its just at maintenance level?

iron T · 01-20-2004, 08:34 AM

propionate gives a harder look than testoviron, the dude is cutting up not entering the Olympia, hes not much fat to loose anyway, if you dont want more jabs in your arse then do some dbol, instead of test, these are my last comments phit must have some really ****ty propionates if you think its rubbish for cutting i always find it good.

TheAustrianOak · 01-20-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by iron T
propionate gives a harder look than testoviron, the dude is cutting up not entering the Olympia, hes not much fat to loose anyway, if you dont want more jabs in your arse then do some dbol, instead of test, these are my last comments phit must have some really ****ty propionates if you think its rubbish for cutting i always find it good.

do not do dbol instead of test
he is cutting, he dosent want to be bloated

test prop is your best bet

PHit41 · 01-20-2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by iron T
propionate gives a harder look than testoviron, the dude is cutting up not entering the Olympia, hes not much fat to loose anyway, if you dont want more jabs in your arse then do some dbol, instead of test, these are my last comments phit must have some really ****ty propionates if you think its rubbish for cutting i always find it good.

ok first you clearly dont understand testoterone...

test is test is test

whether it is test prop, test cyp, test enanth, etc...

they are the same base which is testosterone, the only difference is the ester which is attached to the base steroid.

here is a list of the esters which are the number of carbon atoms attached to the base steroid.

Formate 1
Acetate 2
Propionate 3
Butyrate 4
Valerate 5
Hexanoate 6
Heptanoate 7
Enanthate 7
Octanoate 8
Cypionate 8
Nonanoate 9
Decanoate 10
Undecanoate 11

as you can see test prop would be test + propionate ester

here is an exceprt from Roy Harper (I found this article posted by bone over at SM.com a long while ago):

"It seems many people know very little about steroid esters. Many people believe it is the ester that determines the anabolic potential for any steroid. But in reality, there is absolutely no difference, in anabolic strength, from one ester to the other. Testosterone suspension is the same as Testosterone cypionate once the cypionate ester has been cleaved off by esterases in your body. Testosterone is testosterone no matter how you look at it. Now before you roll me up in a carpet and throw me over a bridge, I will admit that there is a large difference in how esters affect the release of the steroid. The key is time release (read half-life). Esters essentially delay the release of a steroid. Regardless of whether you injected 500mg of Testosterone suspension or 500mg of Testosterone cypionate, you will end up with approximately 500mg Testosterone in your system (ok, there is going to be slightly less testosterone with the cypionate because of the weight of the ester, but I’ll explain that later). The difference between the two is that all of the 500 mg of testosterone suspension would be available and metabolized within 24 hours, whereas after a week half of the testosterone in the cypionate would be released. Is that it? That's all what esters do? Of course not! In fact the real purpose for esters is to change the properties of the parent drug. As shown above the half-life, can be altered through the use of an ester. "

now you mentioned testoviron well if i remember right testoviron 100 has 25mg prop and 110 mg enan in it. do you see where i am getting at.

just remember test is test is test

PHit

PS i never once said prop is bad for cutting. Test can be used with great results when cutting.

PHit41 · 01-20-2004, 04:37 PM

and i will not even comment on the dbol. I fully agree with AustrianOak.

you need to learn a little more about AS before giving advice out

my2cents

PHit

iron T · 01-21-2004, 05:06 AM

I wondered what the Hell u was going on about there phit, Yes i did say Dbol, it was on my mind at the time i just got some, i meant PROVIRON, what i think he should do is experiment with different gears, if proviron does not do much for hardness try anavar, if that doesnt do what he wants try boldbol, i dont give a hoot about esters (though its truly dizzying i see your point), on paper enanthate looks the best, in reality propionate always got me that much better, i tell you phit prop is good for cutting now you cant say you never heard anything further from the truth, trust me propionate works. its the last i say on it take the advice or leave it.

ruffneck · 01-22-2004, 04:41 AM

I agree wiht Prop being good during a cutting cycle, but it is used for a test base in order to keep muscle mass. It is not used for the cutting aspect.
If you dont give a hoot about esters then you are probably pissing away your money, and stunting your growth. If you are only using prop once a week then I know you are.

PHit41 · 01-22-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by ruffneck

If you dont give a hoot about esters then you are probably pissing away your money, and stunting your growth. If you are only using prop once a week then I know you are.

agreed!

ragingmofo444 · 01-23-2004, 03:56 AM

Well sorry to come this notorious, they banned my name for no reason. My cycle will look like this.....

eq 300 mg a week for 10 weeks

test e, 300 mg a week for 10 weeks

winstrol used in the last 6 weeks at 50 mg a day

ragingmofo444 · 01-23-2004, 04:07 AM

Also If I am Cutting...........

Couldn't I just Go on a Higher Calorie deficit for a period of time to gain a little bit of muscle then jump into my cutting process.

Let's say......... First 2 weeks I go on a high calorie diet and keep dropping down my calories until I achieve my goal. If I'm not wrong, you can lose a sustancial amount of fat while bulking up on As.

Dimebolt · 01-29-2004, 02:01 PM

I was also going to be doing a cutting cycle, winni and primo. I was asking around for dosages and so forth when I stumbled across some advice from a top competitor. He told me to add either proviron or even better trenbolone. Everyone said trenbolone would be the best, but I don't want to turn my body into a pin cushion (with winni and primo there's about six injections a week lol) so what test would require the least amount of injections and compliment the cyle.

any advice is appreciated