I know muscle "tone" is based on diet/cardio, etc., but is there anything to increase toneus, i.e., the semi-activation of a muscle fiber on a near regular basis - what i'm saying is, i'd like to look almost contracted in many muscles when not working out, and want to be harder all around. besides bf% reduction, what else adds to muscle density? - thanks
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01-06-2004, 10:16 AM #1
Increasing "hardness" or muscle density
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01-06-2004, 10:30 AM #2
you can't increase the density of a muscle itself (if i understand what you mean)
abs, forearms and calves have higher densities than other muscles
if you wan't to look thight bodyfat reduction is the only way
edit: draining a muscle can make it look more dense, but you're not going to walk around dehydrated all time
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01-06-2004, 10:32 AM #3
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01-06-2004, 11:10 AM #4
what he's saying is ( I'm pretty sure anyway) you know when your flex your arm it gets biGGer well for guys with relatively smaller muscles and possibly a higher bf% there arms don't look too good but when you flex them it looks a lot better, I think he's wanting to know how to get it to look good like when it's flexed but while having his arm unflexed...hard to understand I'm sure...but I think the only way is to have the bigger muscle and low bf
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01-06-2004, 11:31 AM #5
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Re: Increasing "hardness" or muscle density
Originally posted by IMCS614
I know muscle "tone" is based on diet/cardio, etc., but is there anything to increase toneus, i.e., the semi-activation of a muscle fiber on a near regular basis - what i'm saying is, i'd like to look almost contracted in many muscles when not working out, and want to be harder all around. besides bf% reduction, what else adds to muscle density? - thanksaut viam inveniam aut faciam
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01-06-2004, 12:45 PM #6Originally posted by midian
you can't increase the density of a muscle itself (if i understand what you mean)
abs, forearms and calves have higher densities than other muscles
if you wan't to look thight bodyfat reduction is the only way
edit: draining a muscle can make it look more dense, but you're not going to walk around dehydrated all timeIt's not as hard as you think it is.
Educate yourself, but stop thinking too much...
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01-06-2004, 12:56 PM #7
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01-06-2004, 01:33 PM #8Originally posted by Damien
Actually it's said that myogenic tone (muscles looking denser and harder at rest) can be increased through strength training (actin and myosin density).
if i remember correctly sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is what a bodybuilder gets and an olymic lifter got hyofibrillar that won't increase in size but has a more powerfull muscle contraction and that a stronger contraction is caused by increase of myofibril's wich you then get by hyofibrillar hypertrophy, but what's that caused by ?? explosive lifting or heavy lifting, or both ??
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01-06-2004, 01:45 PM #9Originally posted by midian
i heard it the other way around
still doing some searches on this (slow ass internet)
I'm on for maybe 30 more minutes.It's not as hard as you think it is.
Educate yourself, but stop thinking too much...
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01-06-2004, 01:47 PM #10
POWER TO THE PEOPLE! By Pavel Tsatsouline...
He go's into great deal on how you can accomplish this, its through myofribillar hypertrophy, wich does in fact make the muscles more dense and hard at all time, you still need low body fat to show the detail, but hardness of the muscle comes from high tension(lifting heavy weights for low reps). And takes a few years to truly develop.
Take a look at Bruce Lee, he's very dense because of all the Isometrics he did. Same thing. High muscle tension= increase in muscle density and hardness(over time).
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01-06-2004, 01:56 PM #11
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01-06-2004, 02:02 PM #12Originally posted by midian
you can't increase the density of a muscle itself (if i understand what you mean)
abs, forearms and calves have higher densities than other muscles
if you wan't to look thight bodyfat reduction is the only way
edit: draining a muscle can make it look more dense, but you're not going to walk around dehydrated all time
You are right when you say that abs, calves, and forearms are higher density than most muscles. This is because of there constant usage.
But your wrong when you say that you cant increase muscle density. The key is myofribillar hypertrophy. The best way to get this is through strength training. FREQUENT, HEAVY, TRAINING.
You'll notice that farmers, mechanincs and people doing manual labor for a long time, will have "harder" muscles then a Math teacher doing a 3 day BB split. This "hardness" comes from years of "time under tension" Its the body's adaptation to tension. It say's "hey, I have to be tense so often, I might as well be more tense all the time, so i'm ready for it".
As stated in my previous post, Power to the People, by Pavel Tsatsouline is one of the best books on the subject.Last edited by TarvMan; 01-06-2004 at 02:08 PM.
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01-06-2004, 02:08 PM #13Originally posted by TarvMan
Your wrong and your right.
You are right when you say that abs, calves, and forearms are higher density than most muscles. This is because of there constant usage.
But your wrong when you say that you cant increase muscle density. The key is myofribillar hypertrophy. The best way to get this is through strength training. FREQUENT, HEAVY, TRAINING.
You'll notice that farmers, mechanincs and people doing manual labor for a long time, will have "harder" muscles then a Math teacher doing a 3 day BB split.
As stated in my previous post, Power to the People, by Pavel Tsatsouline is one of the best books on the subject.
Originally posted by midian
if i remember correctly sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is what a bodybuilder gets and an olymic lifter got hyofibrillar that won't increase in size but has a more powerfull muscle contraction and that a stronger contraction is caused by increase of myofibril's wich you then get by hyofibrillar hypertrophy, but what's that caused by ?? explosive lifting or heavy lifting, or both ??
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12-31-2013, 12:17 PM #14
Is that the same as this ...?
I heard that those electric belts won't give you better abs for a reason. If you constantly flex your and they get used to it and sorta programs your brain to keep them forced subconsciously. So say you (hypothetically) sat in a tight crunch position for a month straight and then stopped. For a while afterward your brain would be stuck on the on switch and keep your and contracted even when you are not trying?
Same concept?
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12-31-2013, 12:27 PM #15
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