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    Question for Army Soldiers/Marines (serious)

    Military people only reply please. I want no bs in this thread from other people.


    I want to enlist in either the Marines or Army and have a few questions.

    1) What is the difference between the Army and the Marines when it comes to infantry? Are the Marines basically the first responders, when something happens the go in first and then the Army helps out later? I want to be in the infantry and be airborne if that is possible.

    2) I know the maximum age to enlist in the Marines is 28, and the Army is even higher. I plan on enlisting at 28 years of age. Will I be at any disadvantage being what I assume is a lot older than the average recruit?

    3) I know the pay is low, but if I am deployed all my money is banked right? What can you really spend money on in a war zone? I want to enlist and live spartan and save all my money, so in 3-4 years when I get out I will have money to start my civilian life and attend college. Does this sound feasible?

    4) How much time out of the year would I be deployed? I read that there is a month vacation every year, so would I be out in say the Middle East for 11 months, then come back to the states for a month and then go back?

    5) Would having less than perfect eyesight prevent me from being infantry/airborne?


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    1) What is the difference between the Army and the Marines when it comes to infantry? Are the Marines basically the first responders, when something happens the go in first and then the Army helps out later? I want to be in the infantry and be airborne if that is possible.

    That's about it, the Marines are the tip of the sword while Army is the sword itself. Marines don't occupy.

    2) I know the maximum age to enlist in the Marines is 28, and the Army is even higher. I plan on enlisting at 28 years of age. Will I be at any disadvantage being what I assume is a lot older than the average recruit?

    You'll just be older. That's about it. Average age I think is 19 years old. In my basic platoon, we had a 17 year old, and a 29 year old (he'd gotten a waiver).

    3) I know the pay is low, but if I am deployed all my money is banked right? What can you really spend money on in a war zone? I want to enlist and live spartan and save all my money, so in 3-4 years when I get out I will have money to start my civilian life and attend college. Does this sound feasible?

    Pay can get to be pretty decent after a couple of years, I've heard Bush has made the pay better since I was in too. Not sure if there is truth to that. Plus, they give you food and a place to live, so that cuts down on a LOT of bills...

    4) How much time out of the year would I be deployed? I read that there is a month vacation every year, so would I be out in say the Middle East for 11 months, then come back to the states for a month and then go back?

    All depends on what job you have, etc. If you go to Iraq, I think it's a year tour. Everywhere else...I don't really know. If you go Marines, you can be deployed at sea for 6 months at a time I believe.

    5) Would having less than perfect eyesight prevent me from being infantry/airborne?

    Probably. Try laser surgery before you go in...
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    Originally Posted by Johnnie Rico View Post
    1) What is the difference between the Army and the Marines when it comes to infantry? Are the Marines basically the first responders, when something happens the go in first and then the Army helps out later? I want to be in the infantry and be airborne if that is possible.
    training hopefully. army infantry school - at least when i went through - wasn't exactly that much of a challenge imo. from what i've heard marines basic and their SOI are some quality courses.

    the first ones in are always special operations forces.

    2) I know the maximum age to enlist in the Marines is 28, and the Army is even higher. I plan on enlisting at 28 years of age. Will I be at any disadvantage being what I assume is a lot older than the average recruit?
    i was 23 when i was in basic and there were a few guys in my platoon 26+. i found that we as a group were much more mature and able to handle the mind games with ease. IMO it's an advantage to go in significantly older than the average.

    3) I know the pay is low, but if I am deployed all my money is banked right? What can you really spend money on in a war zone? I want to enlist and live spartan and save all my money, so in 3-4 years when I get out I will have money to start my civilian life and attend college. Does this sound feasible?
    don't waste your money like most guys i know do. they deploy, come back with substantial cash in the bank then splurge on pointless ****. invest your money, contribute to an ira or other retirement account, and you'll do well.

    4) How much time out of the year would I be deployed? I read that there is a month vacation every year, so would I be out in say the Middle East for 11 months, then come back to the states for a month and then go back?
    i'm not active duty, but afaik it's 2 years home, 1 abroad for army. but it doesn't always turn out that way such as the case with the surge. marines deploy for less than a year i believe. don't quote me on that though.

    5) Would having less than perfect eyesight prevent me from being infantry/airborne?
    from ar 40-501 standards of medical fitness:
    [the following are disqualifying]
    g. Eyes and vision.
    (1) Paragraphs 2?12 and 2?13 with exceptions noted below.
    (2) For Airborne and Ranger training: Distant visual acuity of any degree that does not correct to at least 20/20 in
    one eye and 20/100 in the other eye within 8 diopters of plus or minus refractive error, with spectacle lenses.
    (3) For Special Forces training: Distant visual acuity of any degree that does not correct to 20/20 in both eyes with
    spectacle lenses. Any refractive error in spherical equivalent of worse than plus or minus 8 diopters.
    (4) For Airborne and Special Forces training: Failure to pass the PIP set or FALANT test for color vision (see para
    4?2a) unless the applicant is able to identify vivid red and/or vivid green as projected by the Ophthalmological
    Projector or the Stereoscope, Vision Testing (SVT).



    fwiw, i can't see for **** without my contacts/glasses and i'm partially color blind but still got airborne infantry.
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    I have to say being older can be a plus. Older guys seemed to handle the Bull**** alot better then the younger guys. Yes the pay is low but if your single and go overseas save your money I know some guys that came back with 25,000 plus in the back they were single and didnt spend a dime on anything they were also non smokers. If you want to go to college yes you do get a GI Bill which is usefull when you get out if you deciede to go to college. other then that its a pride thing between different branches of the Military. Some guys think the Marines are bad ass some guys think the Army is I say they both have there pros and cons and both have its tough guys.
    I dont wanna sound bad but I would say If I had to pick again I will still go with the Marine Corps. Its all on the person I guess.
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    28 isnt old one guy in my division was 35 and an E-1, he got sick of the bullsht day to day grind and enlisted. I think you should go to marines, they get more all around quality training but somewhat ****tier gear. up to you thoug.
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    Originally Posted by bluemarlinO4 View Post
    28 isnt old one guy in my division was 35 and an E-1, he got sick of the bullsht day to day grind and enlisted. I think you should go to marines, they get more all around quality training but somewhat ****tier gear. up to you thoug.
    there's a 41 year old e3 in my unit that just got back from basic. pretty impressive.
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    Originally Posted by efini84 View Post


    fwiw, i can't see for **** without my contacts/glasses and i'm partially color blind but still got airborne infantry.
    Did you pass any of the color vision tests they gave : Ishiara plates, SVT, or FALANT?
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    1) to complicated to answer accurately. It's very complex. There is no standard answer here. Depends on the needs of the country/president. You mentioned ou want to be airborne. Right on, I was too. If you enlist in the army you can have airborne promised into your contract(tryout, not promise of BEING airborne, obviously that is to be earned)

    2) nope. Tons of older people enlist for a host of different reasons. There is no stigma against this in the military, just respect.

    3)yes, the pay is rather low, and yes you can bank while you're in war zone. Granted not what the private sector security guys make in a warzone(six figures), but since you can't spend you do OK. Plus hazardous duty pay is nice.

    4)LOL at month vacation. Stop dreaming. Look, if you're looking for a pretty lifestyle, better housing, etc. DON'T GO ARMY OR MARINES! Go air force. The quality of life is difference in most circumstances is apples and oranges. Really. If you're a grunt fcker and have a specific goal in mind(want to go airborne, want to be a Marine(notice capitalized?), then do that. Otherwise, go AF. AF have hotter women too. I'd fck most Marine men before I got near Marine "women."(term used loosely).

    5)Eyesight is no big deal if it's as you described. If your definition if imperfect=borderline blind, then thats different.

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    Originally Posted by AJbuilder View Post
    Did you pass any of the color vision tests they gave : Ishiara plates, SVT, or FALANT?
    plates, no
    falant, no
    svt, yes

    the svt is simply a projection of a block of 2 colors on the screen, vivid red and vivid green. as long as you can tell the difference, you're good to go.
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    Originally Posted by Johnnie Rico View Post
    Military people only reply please. I want no bs in this thread from other people.


    I want to enlist in either the Marines or Army and have a few questions.

    1) What is the difference between the Army and the Marines when it comes to infantry? Are the Marines basically the first responders, when something happens the go in first and then the Army helps out later? I want to be in the infantry and be airborne if that is possible.

    2) I know the maximum age to enlist in the Marines is 28, and the Army is even higher. I plan on enlisting at 28 years of age. Will I be at any disadvantage being what I assume is a lot older than the average recruit?

    3) I know the pay is low, but if I am deployed all my money is banked right? What can you really spend money on in a war zone? I want to enlist and live spartan and save all my money, so in 3-4 years when I get out I will have money to start my civilian life and attend college. Does this sound feasible?

    4) How much time out of the year would I be deployed? I read that there is a month vacation every year, so would I be out in say the Middle East for 11 months, then come back to the states for a month and then go back?

    5) Would having less than perfect eyesight prevent me from being infantry/airborne?


    Thanks.


    1. Infantry is respected in either branch of service. Regardless of what anyone tells you, Special Operations are the first ones into an area. I know the Marines say they are the first to fight but that's false. I would recommend going at least Airborne if you are thinking of joining the Army.
    If you are really high speed or think you are go to RIP or SFAS and se ehow much you can take.

    2. Usually in the Special Forces community they are looking for people that are more mature and have a higher age average than regular infantry. If you are young and can persevere and are a team player you'll make it.

    3. The base pay is pretty low but since Bush has been in office we had recieved a 6% increase in pay every year (at least while I was in). You will get extra pay for being in a hazardous duty area, extra for jump status (if you're airborne or scuba qualified), extra if you learn a language (Special Forces).

    4. Usually a deployment is supposed to be a year. Thirty days leave per year. Both deployments I did six months and then came home for 2 weeks and when we returned I would take the other two weeks. Then you'll be in garrison for awhile and possibly redeploy. It really depends what unit you're in.

    5. Has already been answered with the regs. Basically if you are color blind and wear coke bottle lenses you wont get in. Also, before you can go to RIP or Airborne school you have to take the ear pressure test to make sure your ears will clear the pressure at high altitude.

    Another thing to look at is what you can get put into your contract with the Army vs. Marines. Army will give you guaranteed RIP and Airborne. They used to do a Special Forces pipeline called the 18X program. Also, You will get signing bonuses with the Army. When I looked into enlisting with the Marines they wouldn't give me a guarantee or a bonus. That's why I signed with the Army and was not disappointed. I also looked at the Navy because I wanted to go to BUD/S but they wouldn't give a guarantee wither. Air Force is a different thing when looking to join their Special Tactics teams like PJ's (pararescue) or CCT (Combat Controller), you will have to join then take a PT assessment test and then they will put your name on the training list.

    The final and last thing to look out is for advancement opportunities. In the Army it is faster to get rank than in the Marine Corps, plain and simple. You can go into the Army as a PFC (e-3) and advance from there as early as 18 months. If you have a college degree you can start out as a SPC (e-4) if you chose enlisted over OCS or Warrant Officer.
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    Originally Posted by efini84 View Post
    plates, no
    falant, no
    svt, yes

    the svt is simply a projection of a block of 2 colors on the screen, vivid red and vivid green. as long as you can tell the difference, you're good to go.
    That leaves me wondering.

    I know a guy who was dropped from Army OCS because he couldn't pass either the FALANT or the plates. MEPS never issued the SVT test so he was disqualified for not being able to distinguish vivid red and vivid green, even though he has no problem distinguishing those colors. Another buddy of mine couldn't get into ROTC a few years back because of his color deficiency as well. He was issued two different sets of plates , the D-15, and the FALANT, but couldn't pass any. He wasn't issued SVT.

    Also ,when I started flight training for B.S degree in aviation science I found out I couldn't pass the FALANT or the plates so that leaves me no chance for military aviation or army OCS for that matter. I'll be applying for Marine OCS/PLC-C ground as a college junior for next summer since "colorblindess" will not exclude you from a commission in the USMC.

    The Navy and Coast Guard also have issues with colorblindness for OCS.
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    Originally Posted by AJbuilder View Post
    That leaves me wondering.

    I know a guy who was dropped from Army OCS because he couldn't pass either the FALANT or the plates. MEPS never issued the SVT test so he was disqualified for not being able to distinguish vivid red and vivid green, even though he has no problem distinguishing those colors. When I started flight training for B.S degree in aviation science I found out I can't pass the FALANT or the plates as well so that leaves me no chance for military aviation or army OCS for that matter. I'll be applying for Marine OCS/PLC-C as a college junior for next summer since "colorblindess" will not exclude you from a commission.

    Also ,when I started flight training for B.S degree in aviation science I found out I couldn't pass the FALANT or the plates so that leaves me no chance for military aviation or army OCS for that matter. I'll be applying for Marine OCS/PLC-C ground as a college junior for next summer since "colorblindess" will not exclude you from a commission in the USMC.

    The Navy and Coast Guard also have issues with colorblindness for OCS.
    MEPS doesn't issue the SVT. per MEPS regs, they only issue the plates and the falant. MEPS didn't give a **** about the 3rd test.

    i received the SVT at reception at benning, literally a few days before going off to start basic.

    and re flight training, i'd imagine normal color vision (which requires passing either the falant or plates) is what would be required.

    here's the section on OCS & color vision:

    f. Color vision (368.5). Failure to pass a color vision test is not an automatic disqualification. Although there is no
    standard, color vision will be tested because adequate color vision is a prerequisite for entry into many military
    specialties. However, for entrance into the USMA or Army ROTC or OCS programs, the inability to distinguish and
    identify without confusion the color of an object, substance, material, or light that is uniformly colored a vivid red or
    vivid green is disqualifying.
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    5. Color Blindness


    a. The absence of color vision is disqualifying for the USMA, AROTC and OCS programs per AR 40-501, para 2-13 e.



    b. Defective color vision is normally waived. However, the cadet is ineligible for some military branches. The Office of the Army Surgeon General reported in Dec 02 that an officer who is unable to distinguish between vivid red/green is ineligible for the following branches: Infantry, Armor, Engineers, Artillery, Military Intelligence, Military Police, and Signal as well as Aviation.


    c. Normal color perception is an important requirement for commissioning of Naval officers because operational effectiveness and safety depend upon the ability to discern rapidly the differences among buoys, flags etc. Similarly, normal color vision is

    critical for Air Force officers in an era of color cockpit displays. The Marines and the Army do not require normal color perception for commissioning. However, flight status require fewer than 5 errors out of 14 test plates and Airborne, Ranger, and Special Forces training and duty require the ability to identify vivid red and green.
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    Originally Posted by AJbuilder View Post
    Another buddy of mine couldn't get into ROTC a few years back because of his color deficiency as well. He was issued two different sets of plates , the D-15, and the FALANT, but couldn't pass any. He wasn't issued SVT.
    well he got ****ed over then. it's army regs to give 3 tests. like i said, MEPS for some retarded reason works in their own little world. if i was in his position, i would have printed out ar 40-501, showed up at an army medical facility and get tested.

    vivid red/green distinguishability will get you into almost all branches, aside from flight.

    i mean, hell, you can go through the SF q-course and even go to freefall school (halo) with just vivid red/green.
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    Everything sounds good, I feel the need to get out and actually make something of my life and that is not going to happen here. I feel that the military can help me gain more confidence and leadership skills and make me an overall better person. Both my parents were in the Army, my mom was a parachute rigger and my dad was a Special Forces officer and I have always been interested in being airborne. My father is kinda against me going into the military.
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    Originally Posted by Johnnie Rico View Post
    My father is kinda against me going into the military.
    for good reason, lol

    there are certain things about the military that you really don't understand or grasp until you're actually in.
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