is it true that soy protein can increase the estrogen levels in a person who is taking it ????
and i wonder if the amino acid tablets can substitute the protein shack ?
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03-28-2007, 09:44 PM #1
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03-29-2007, 09:23 PM #3
soy, pot, alcohol, drinking and eating out of plastic. all kinds of crap out there that has estrogen, including the water you drink. (female products, birth control etc being flushed down the toilet, and not part of the filtering process when reused)
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03-30-2007, 01:43 AM #4
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03-30-2007, 03:28 AM #5
thanks Dr p
as i had many problems with the whey protein as bloating, gas , discomfort even thought i am not lactose intolerant . i learned that soy could be a good alternative but as i said i am a bit hesitant to try it becouse of the estrogen issue . if i take amino acids is that enough or protein is essential???? .
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03-30-2007, 04:56 AM #6
looks like you could have a lactose intolearnce. I recommend you to try a whey-isolate (WPI) which has extremely low lactose levels (e.g. Substance WPI). whey concentrates have much more lactose and this can lead to bloating / diarrhea in some people.
It is not very feasible to replace protein with amino acids because of the huge costs of AAs, becasue of the lack of natural health promoting peptides and because of the kinetics: the only time when you really want immediate absorbtion of amino acids is pre/post workout, but not throughout the day.
You should really try one of the better WPIs out there.
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03-30-2007, 09:54 AM #7
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03-30-2007, 10:32 PM #9
another question ?
will i think that my dream to be bulky will never become true since i cant consume the most important supplement in this sport .
I am sure that i am not lactose tolerant since I can eat all the dairy products without any problems and i never experienced any problems with them in the past.
I also had diarrhea with whey protein i forget to mention that above .
just wondering Dr P can u please give me some brand names for WPI products. thank u .
and regarding to the AAc i have learned from another source that they are made form casein which is not good for overweight people ?
at the mean time i am taking L glutamine with a 5g dose believe it or not this also caused a bit of discomfort as well but no diarrhea and much less when i take only one whey protein shack.
I ask someone about these symptoms and he said that they are completely normal . but for me i cant countine using whey and live a miserables life .Last edited by paradox_nz; 03-30-2007 at 10:49 PM.
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03-31-2007, 04:49 AM #11
My friend used soy milk, and after a few months started to get man boobs.
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03-31-2007, 09:14 AM #15
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soy protein powder does not cause feminization. this is a ridiculous myth. additionally, in medical studies it has been shown that soy does not help women with low estrogen. in order to get any pro-estrogen effects from soy, you'd have to eat more soy than is humanly possible. bottom line: soy is fine.
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03-31-2007, 09:49 AM #16
Soy: Potential Effects on Hormone Levels in Men
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=698242Psalms 51:10-13
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Not exactly the way I would've put it but I myself drink about 24-32 oz. of soy milk a day.Nothing crazy happening here: emotionally, psychologically and especially physically..
I didn't think there were any adverse effects in women OR men when using Non-GMO soy? Lord knows what GMO soy will do..."Life is always happening FOR you--not TO you."
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its not the modified DNA per se that is the controversial issue. Rather, its the protein(s) that the modified gene expresses and shows up in the food product
Personally i think its a much ado about nothing but theoretically any odd gene has the potential to make a protein that might have adverse effects in humans. But then monkeys might fly out of my ass too
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I won't pretend to know about the chemistry of different proteins, etc. However, on a personal note I actually had my physician take me off of soy products. I am allergic to casein protein and am lactose intolerant (there goes milk) and I am very allergic to peanuts. In December of 08 I found soynut butter and soy milk, and these took care of my milk and peanut cravings. I was consuming approximately 30 g a day of soy protein from these products and nothing else. Mind you, I am a very healthy eater and work out regularly. By May of 09 by body was a car wreck. I had put on approximately 20 lbs of fat, I was in full-blown depression, had lost my sex drive, and, needless to say, my testosterone levels had tanked. Luckily, my doctor had heard of a similar case and he had me take the soy products out of my diet. It took me about five months before my body had returned to normal. THE SOY WAS THE ONLY CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE TO MY DIET THE ENTIRE TIME. I'm not big on supplements, I don't make big changes to my diet, I don't take medication. There was no other explanation other than the soy.
This is just a personal story. I don't know chemistry, etc. I don't bash soy products, I hope they work wonders for other people. However, I have to stay away from them unless I want to channel my inner Boy George...No one ever is defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality.
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