the big batista lie

**jay81** · 12-13-2003, 07:01 AM

Can someone who thinks the Big Show is really 6'11'' explain this pic?

It's clear the Big Show is no more than 6 inches taller than Lesnar.

Even more so, the Show is in lifts in this pic and Lesnar isn't. It's not so apparent in the scanned image ... maybe someone who has a clear copy of the image can do me a favour and post it ... or

I can enlarge it or something so you can see clearly the Show is wearing lifts & Lesnar isn't if someone likes.

Look where their waists are in relation to each other. Show is leaning over slightly to stare down Lesnar but Lesnar is also in mid step.

There is no more than 5 - 6 inches between them. Even if Lesnar was a legitimate 6'3'' ( which he isn't ) then that would make Show *still* under 6'9''. Lesnar is really 6'2'' ... Show is somewhere around 6'7 1/2'' ... looks about right to me. You can't say this man is seven foot or 6'11'' and keep a straight face.

This is the pic I was talking about in the WWE yearbook I saw ... I couldn't find the pic online so bought the yearbook this afternoon to show you guys ( what the heck, it's nothing to me & I'd like to have it anyway

) but yeah I mean come on, it's obvious Show is w-a-y under seven foot ...

**Pumped** · 12-13-2003, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by jay81
Can someone who thinks the Big Show is really 6'11'' explain this pic?

It's clear the Big Show is no more than 6 inches taller than Lesnar.

Even more so, the Show is in lifts in this pic and Lesnar isn't. It's not so apparent in the scanned image ... maybe someone who has a clear copy of the image can do me a favour and post it ... or

I can enlarge it or something so you can see clearly the Show is wearing lifts & Lesnar isn't if someone likes.

Look where their waists are in relation to each other. Show is leaning over slightly to stare down Lesnar but Lesnar is also in mid step.

There is no more than 5 - 6 inches between them. Even if Lesnar was a legitimate 6'3'' ( which he isn't ) then that would make Show *still* under 6'9''. Lesnar is really 6'2'' ... Show is somewhere around 6'7 1/2'' ... looks about right to me. You can't say this man is seven foot or 6'11'' and keep a straight face.

This is the pic I was talking about in the WWE yearbook I saw ... I couldn't find the pic online so bought the yearbook this afternoon to show you guys ( what the heck, it's nothing to me & I'd like to have it anyway ) but yeah I mean come on, it's obvious Show is w-a-y under seven foot ...

Where are you judging their height from?
Show is looking down and lesnar is looking up
Look at the back of their heads for the most accurate benchmark.
Show is heaps taller.

And your totally guessing about the lifts,so dont bother.

**jay81** · 12-13-2003, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Pumped
Where are you judging their height from?
Show is looking down and lesnar is looking up
Look at the back of their heads for the most accurate benchmark.
Show is heaps taller.

And your totally guessing about the lifts,so dont bother.

You're still trying to somehow claim the Big Show is really that big? Pics don't lie brother ... or at least this one sure isn't!

I took what you said into consideration. The difference is no more than 6 inches or so ... and like I said the Show is in lifts. No I'm not guessing about that, it's obvious ( a la Kane ). I'll try to do something with the image so you can see better, or even better ... if someone has a copy of this pic or a similar one online then please do post it.

Show's waist is only an inch or so above Lesnar's ( which I will concede is due to his past acromegaly ... acromegalic people tend to frequently have shorter limbs and longer torsos than a normal person of similar height ... also don't let the fact he had gigantism influence your thought ... there's plenty of guys with acromegaly that are under 6'6'' ) Lesnar would be even taller against him if he was in an erect stance like Show is and wasn't bent back in an intimidated pose. Yes there's considerable difference between the backs of their heads but I mean come on, there is only around 6 - 7 inches difference there when you take what I said into account. 7 would be pushing it a bit, maybe 6 1/2 if that, and if you take away Show's lifts it's less.

**jay81** · 12-13-2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Pumped
He looks an inch taller in those pics and take away an inch for brocks hair since hogan is bald and you have 2 inches.
Dont forget you shrink as you get older and hogan is 50+

I think I took the hair into account already somehow

Hogan is 50 years old. Most people won't start shrinking at that age. In fact, many people are less than half an inch shorter in their 60s than they were in their 20s. I doubt Hogan has shrank any noticeable amount, especially considering the shape he keeps himself in.

A one and a half inch difference in height would be pushing it.

**TheRock** · 12-13-2003, 10:01 AM

Lol still with this height issue eh?
Some people are just plain stubborn hehe
That picture ironically is one that you shouldn't have posted as Lesnar is looking upward at Show and Show is very arched in that pic...If they both stood up straight then the Big Show would have a very easy 6 inches on Lesnar.
I've seen Big Show in person (from less than a metre away)..I have a 6'7 friend..BELIEVE me The Big Show was taller than him.

**waterholic** · 12-13-2003, 10:33 AM

ya i saw big show at my gym he really is somewhere along 6'9 - 6'10 and he probably weights around 380lbs - 410lbs

**jay81** · 12-13-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by TheRock
Lol still with this height issue eh?
Some people are just plain stubborn hehe
That picture ironically is one that you shouldn't have posted as Lesnar is looking upward at Show and Show is very arched in that pic...If they both stood up straight then the Big Show would have a very easy 6 inches on Lesnar.
I've seen Big Show in person (from less than a metre away)..I have a 6'7 friend..BELIEVE me The Big Show was taller than him.

And Lesnar is arched back and in mid-step. I've already stated the reasons why. Come on, I know he had acromegaly and all, but their waists are little more than an inch apart. Yeah, I already said about 6 inches. That still doesn't make him 6'10'' or 6'11''. There's also the issue of him wearing lifts ...

**jay81** · 12-13-2003, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by waterholic
ya i saw big show at my gym he really is somewhere along 6'9 - 6'10 and he probably weights around 380lbs - 410lbs

I agree wholeheartedly with your estimation of his weight at least. He is somewhere in there. Mammoth man none the less.

**Kane Fan** · 12-14-2003, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Pumped
What planet are you from.
Cena is tanked but his frame is a LOT smaller than goldberg plus hes at least 3 inches shorter.
He a pretty stumpy guy.

At least 40 pounds between them.
Probably 20 in the legs alone.

Cena looks bigger
I'd like to see them standing face to face to see for sure but I've seen Goldberg next to BigShow and Cena next to Big Show
that's all I have to go on that is helpful and Show's size isn'ta constant

**Kane Fan** · 12-14-2003, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Pumped
What planet are you from.
Cena is tanked but his frame is a LOT smaller than goldberg plus hes at least 3 inches shorter.
He a pretty stumpy guy.

At least 40 pounds between them.
Probably 20 in the legs alone.

Cena looks bigger
I'd like to see them standing face to face to see for sure but I've seen Goldberg next to BigShow and Cena next to Big Show
that's all I have to go on that is helpful and Show's size isn'ta constant

**jay81** · 12-14-2003, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by Kane Fan
Cena looks bigger
I'd like to see them standing face to face to see for sure but I've seen Goldberg next to BigShow and Cena next to Big Show
that's all I have to go on that is helpful and Show's size isn'ta constant

I watched Big Show vs John Cena at ringside ( well kinda, they were on opposing sides in a tag team bout ) and you're right, Cena still looked large even when in the ring with the Big Show ... I think it's because he is a big guy ( 220 + ) and so ripped. I've never seen Goldberg in person though.

To the other guys, I had a think about and tried to see things your way. The Big Show was kinda slouched over when he was near me ( and at most times ... the guy doesn't stand up straight ) so maybe I didn't take that into account enough. I couldn't give him 6'10'' or 6'11'' no matter what though ... honestly ... the most I could give the guy would be 6'8 1/2''. Nothing more than that. It was clear to everyone he was a man well under seven feet tall. You've already got another fella a few posts above who says he's seen him saying he's only around 6'9'' also.

**jay81** · 12-14-2003, 11:05 PM

http://rwo.vov.ru/photogal/bs/pages/bs20.htm

Here's a pic of the Undertaker standing with Big Show backstage. You can see the height difference is only a couple of inches. I'll be generous & give the Big Show 6'8 1/2'' ... he could very well really be about that standing up straight ... so I'd have to revise the height I gave Taker & say he's really about 6'6 1/2''.
A reliable UK shoot magazine has said Sid's ( Psycho ) real height is 6'6'' and Taker is a hair above Sid.

I will try to find the pic of Shaq with Taker again. That would settle this once and for all. Shaq was so big next to the Undertaker his head would have gone above the top of the photo I posted of Taker & Show. He made Taker look like a little girl and would dwarf the Big Show. I know that Kane Fan saw the Shaq pic when it was still up and if he remembers could back me up that there was at least 7 inches between the Undertaker and Shaq.

**jay81** · 12-15-2003, 12:35 AM

Here's Bradshaw standing with the Undertaker ( and Brian Adams a.k.a Crush ) at one of Sgt. Slaughter's charity golf tournaments :

http://www.ringfury.com/photos/Adams...taker-Brad.jpg

You can see he's only as tall as I said he was ...

**Pumped** · 12-15-2003, 06:56 AM

Bigshows head is cocked there.Plus camera angles play games with reality.
Taker is 6-7
Show at least 6-10

Just accept it ffs

**jay81** · 12-15-2003, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by Pumped
Bigshows head is cocked there.Plus camera angles play games with reality.
Taker is 6-7
Show at least 6-10

Just accept it ffs

Accept it? No thanks, I'm not about to lie to myself.

It's not the camera angle, there's plenty more pics showing the difference between Taker & Big Show is only a couple of inches.

Taker is 6'7''? Well, he's close. But what does that make Bradshaw? He's really 6'5'' isn't he?

**jay81** · 12-15-2003, 10:40 AM

Also you say Kevin Nash is 6'10 1/2'' ... well hate to break the bad news but look at the picture.

Yup, it's Diesel staring down Mabel at Summerslam '95 from an old wrestling magazine of mine.

Mabel is 6'6'' tall. ( He was listed as 6'6'' by the WWE even during his last tenure there ... uh ... http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=kin...=20&fl=0&x=wrt ) Undertaker is slightly taller than Mabel as well, watch King of the Ring '95 if you don't want to take my word for it.

It's perfectly obvious from this picture to anyone who isn't blind that Kevin Nash is *well* under 6'10'' tall. Try 6'7 1/2'' or so ...

The real question is when are you, Pumped, going to accept these guys aren't as big as you're fantasizing about?

They all aren't '' tricks of the camera '' ...

**dude544** · 12-15-2003, 12:40 PM

I just wanted to say that I have been 230lbs before @ 6'1-2.
Some of you would think I was more like 190-200..210 at most.

**Arsehole** · 12-15-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Dan101
Damn!. Now Afa is still a big guy, but Tito Santana is as big as him, now thats disappointing.

Dan101

Why are you still here?

**Pumped** · 12-15-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by jay81
Also you say Kevin Nash is 6'10 1/2'' ... well hate to break the bad news but look at the picture.

Yup, it's Diesel staring down Mabel at Summerslam '95 from an old wrestling magazine of mine.

Mabel is 6'6'' tall. ( He was listed as 6'6'' by the WWE even during his last tenure there ... uh ... http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=kin...=20&fl=0&x=wrt ) Undertaker is slightly taller than Mabel as well, watch King of the Ring '95 if you don't want to take my word for it.

It's perfectly obvious from this picture to anyone who isn't blind that Kevin Nash is *well* under 6'10'' tall. Try 6'7 1/2'' or so ...

The real question is when are you, Pumped, going to accept these guys aren't as big as you're fantasizing about?

They all aren't '' tricks of the camera '' ...

That picture proves nothing,everyone knows that some wrestlers wear lifts.Mabel was fueding with nash and they wouldnt of wanted him to look like a midget next to him.
Everyone has seen enough of nash v others to know how tall he is.

And its not about me fantasizing about anything.Its just fact.
Your a stubborn gimp.

**Arsehole** · 12-15-2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Pumped
That picture proves nothing,everyone knows that some wrestlers wear lifts.Mabel was fueding with nash and they wouldnt of wanted him to look like a midget next to him.
Everyone has seen enough of nash v others to know how tall he is.

And its not about me fantasizing about anything.Its just fact.
Your a stubborn gimp.

You're still here too? Way to prove a point, smark.

**jay81** · 12-15-2003, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Pumped
That picture proves nothing,everyone knows that some wrestlers wear lifts.Mabel was fueding with nash and they wouldnt of wanted him to look like a midget next to him.
Everyone has seen enough of nash v others to know how tall he is.

And its not about me fantasizing about anything.Its just fact.
Your a stubborn gimp.

No I'm not, you just can't accept the truth, namely many wrestler's heights and weights are grossly exagerrated.

That picture is accurate.

Mabel is the same height as Sid and always was ( 6'6'' ). The Undertaker is about half an inch taller than both Mabel and Sid and always was. Kevin Nash is about one inch taller than the Undertaker and nearly 2 inches taller than than Sid and Mabel and always was. You obviously haven't been a wrestling fan for too long.

Mabel used to be billed as 6'10'' ( a 4 inch exagerration ... during his last stay, for whatever reasons, the WWE billed him as his real height ) from 1993 - 1998 ... the only people in the WWF who were taller than him were about Taker and Nash. It's not due to any lifts they gave Mabel, he's always been that height. So unless EVERYONE is wearing lifts ...

Ironically considering your earlier comment, everything I say adds up quite nicely while nothing you say does.

**NukeDukem** · 12-15-2003, 11:51 PM

Damn jay81 spends a LOT of time approximating wrestler heights....

**Pumped** · 12-15-2003, 11:58 PM

Sid is 6'7 the same as taker.
I think pro wrestling torch has more inside info than you do jay.
I remember when Nash and taker wrestled that nash was clearly taller.
1 inch is barely noticable.

Find some pics of them wrestling.

**jay81** · 12-16-2003, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by NukeDukem
Damn jay81 spends a LOT of time approximating wrestler heights....

Not necessarily. I've been watching wrestling for well over a decade, after that long you tend to get a good idea of these t hings. We are just getting to the bottom of their real stats, that's all.

**Pumped** · 12-16-2003, 03:10 AM

How tall is magic then?

**jay81** · 12-16-2003, 03:29 AM

Originally posted by Pumped
How tall is magic then?

I remember that picture. It's from an old WWF Spotlight magazine on Diesel. I used to have that one myself in fact, but think it's been lost somewhere although I could still have it ( I have bags and bags full of old wrestling magazines ).

Anyway, it was a good picture to post to support your argument. Magic is 6'9'', at least that's what he was listed by the NBA as, and Ihave no reason to doubt that. Well, Scott Hall, honestly isn't more than 6'4 1/2''. Is Scott 6'8'' ( which he'd have to be around if you use this as reference to Nash's height ) ? Come on, even you would admit he's nowhere near that. That immediately indicates to me they're not on level ground ( Magic's shoulders are above Nash's as well despite Nash appearing to loom above both those guys at the front ). Try finding some more. Pics with Dennis Rodman would be good as he is a legitimate 6'6'' and would be a more than reliable yard stick.

Also, when Nash was in Australia - why do you think he was asked if he *really* was seven foot like he was billed as? If he really was 6'10 1/2'' ... well you know ... there's not too many people on Earth that tall and it's close enough to seven foot. Nobody would have questioned him. It would have been obvious he wasn't seven feet tall which prompted the question and of course Nash is gonna then try to pass himself off as around 6'10''. IMO he's right about 6'7 1/2''. That's 202cm. Pretty damn towering

**Pumped** · 12-16-2003, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by jay81
I remember that picture. It's from an old WWF Spotlight magazine on Diesel. I used to have that one myself in fact, but think it's been lost somewhere although I could still have it ( I have bags and bags full of old wrestling magazines ).

Anyway, it was a good picture to post to support your argument. Magic is 6'9'', at least that's what he was listed by the NBA as, and Ihave no reason to doubt that. Well, Scott Hall, honestly isn't more than 6'4 1/2''. Is Scott 6'8'' ( which he'd have to be around if you use this as reference to Nash's height ) ? Come on, even you would admit he's nowhere near that. That immediately indicates to me they're not on level ground ( Magic's shoulders are above Nash's as well despite Nash appearing to loom above both those guys at the front ). Try finding some more. Pics with Dennis Rodman would be good as he is a legitimate 6'6'' and would be a more than reliable yard stick.

I dont think magic is 6-9 for starters.I think hes more like 6-7.
I remember he was doing a TV show once and was intervewing a guy in the audience and the guy was as tall as him.
Now the guy was clearly tall and very built but being 6-9 is extremely rare and for such a guy to be in the studio audience is even more rare.
He didnt look 6-9 anyway.

I told you before that hall is a legit 6-5 so that picture makes sense.
Rodman is supposed to be 6-7 and if you saw him and hogan together during the nwo it was hogan was only 2 inches shorter if that.

**Pumped** · 12-16-2003, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by jay81

Also, when Nash was in Australia - why do you think he was asked if he *really* was seven foot like he was billed as? If he really was 6'10 1/2'' ... well you know ... there's not too many people on Earth that tall and it's close enough to seven foot. Nobody would have questioned him. It would have been obvious he wasn't seven feet tall which prompted the question and of course Nash is gonna then try to pass himself off as around 6'10''. IMO he's right about 6'7 1/2''. That's 202cm. Pretty damn towering

He wasnt "questioned" as you put it.The guy was just asking.
It was a casual interview and they were both having beers at a bar or something.

WWE like to inflate but there is no way they would even try to pass off a 6'7 guy at 7 foot as they have all his career.
6'7 is tall but you wouldnt try to pass it off at 7 foot.

**jay81** · 12-16-2003, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by Pumped
He wasnt "questioned" as you put it.The guy was just asking.
It was a casual interview and they were both having beers at a bar or something.

WWE like to inflate but there is no way they would even try to pass off a 6'7 guy at 7 foot as they have all his career.
6'7 is tall but you wouldnt try to pass it off at 7 foot.

Magic is 6'9''. Look it up. He is renowned for being the tallest good point guard ever. He was tall enough to play any position ( including centre ) actually but played the damn point. Amazing player.

Well Nash is in between 6'7'' and 6'8'' imo. On tv you can easily pass the guy off as seven foot or near. He has extremely long legs and really does look that tall. Heck, WCW billed him as tall as 7'1''. Mabel used to be billed as 6'10'' also, which was a 4 inch exagerration. Andre the Giant was billed as 7'5'' even in the late 80s when his body was breaking down and he was closer to 6'9''. The thing is, all these guys really do look that big on tv. Exagerrations as big as the Nash lie are common place.

**Pumped** · 12-16-2003, 04:02 AM

Well why wasnt magic taller than nash in that pic?
Was he standing in a trench or something?
Musta been some hole for him to be that much shorter.

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