Workout then HIIT

**ItTakesTime** · 03-22-2007, 05:51 AM

Hey everyone, I have been doing this for a week or two and I have a problem with feeling completely sick. I think its because I don't eat before and my glycogen levels are gone after working out.

at 6 I have a protein shake and go to the gym.
1 hour workout - whatever I am doing that day
every other day - HIIT for 20 - 30 min on treadmill

Just before I get on the treadmill I feel really nautious and not good at all. Is this because I have no glycogen left? Does anyone do HIIT after their workout? Should I space them out more, i.e. one in the morning, one at night?

Let me know, thanks.

**ScottC** · 03-22-2007, 06:13 AM

It is recommended to do HIIT on off days. You can do a search to find out more as this has been discussed a lot.

Regarding Pre, During, & PWO Nutrition, read this sticky from the Nutrition forum:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=272067

**Kenny22** · 03-22-2007, 09:04 AM

If you did a good lifting workout you shouldn't even beable to do a HITT right after it. I did my legs and I .tried a HIIT about 10 minutes after it and I had to cancel my sprint hehe

**gunshow91** · 03-22-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by Kenny22

If you did a good lifting workout you shouldn't even beable to do a HITT right after it. I did my legs and I .tried a HIIT about 10 minutes after it and I had to cancel my sprint hehe

after legs yes. but theres no reason you shouldnt be able to do hiit after a chest, arms, or shoulder session

back workout....maybe.

**ScottC** · 03-22-2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by gunshow91

after legs yes. but theres no reason you shouldnt be able to do hiit after a chest, arms, or shoulder session

back workout....maybe.

The reason being if you are giving 100% while lifting, you will not be able to give 100% for HIIT. HIIT is as taxing on the body as a workout and should be treated as such.

**nithos** · 03-22-2007, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by ScottC

The reason being if you are giving 100% while lifting, you will not be able to give 100% for HIIT. HIIT is as taxing on the body as a workout and should be treated as such.

Exactly. If you can do HIIT after a lifting session, one or both of them are not intense enough.

**GP2001** · 03-22-2007, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by nithos

Exactly. If you can do HIIT after a lifting session, one or both of them are not intense enough.

I do HIIT after every lifting session, and while it is tiring, it is still very intense. I don't see why someone can't have an intense lifting session for an hour and have an intense 20 min of HIIT after. I mean I understand that after an intense lifting session someone will be tired, but they shouldn't be colapsing on the ground with no strength left. HIIT after lifting is a REAL bitch, but IMO isn't impossible, since I do it Mon, Tue,Thur,and Fri. (Just cardio Wed) Just because I have an insanely intense day of traing Chest and triceps, why can't I use a stairmaster after??

**nithos** · 03-22-2007, 01:25 PM

I guess it's just a different understand of what an intense workout is, or maybe your body recovers faster than mine. But my CNS system is shot after my typical lifting session, I can barely handle low/mod intensity cardio without forcing myself mentally.

Out of curiosity, mind posting your routine (reps/weights/rest) and HIIT?

**ScottC** · 03-22-2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by GP2001

I do HIIT after every lifting session, and while it is tiring, it is still very intense. I don't see why someone can't have an intense lifting session for an hour and have an intense 20 min of HIIT after. I mean I understand that after an intense lifting session someone will be tired, but they shouldn't be colapsing on the ground with no strength left. HIIT after lifting is a REAL bitch, but IMO isn't impossible, since I do it Mon, Tue,Thur,and Fri. (Just cardio Wed) Just because I have an insanely intense day of traing Chest and triceps, why can't I use a stairmaster after??

I would bet you would have a much better HIIT session if you did it by itself on an off day.

Personally, I don't really care what you do (it is all up to you), but I will say though that your HIIT session is not as effective as it would be if you did it on an off day. It physically can't be as effective because of what you already expended during your workout.

**ItTakesTime** · 03-22-2007, 01:31 PM

Alright, thanks. I was just wondering if I would burn more fat because my glycogen levels would already be depleted.

**nithos** · 03-22-2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by ItTakesTime

Alright, thanks. I was just wondering if I would burn more fat because my glycogen levels would already be depleted.

General Idea: It would burn more fat, but you also risk burning muscle as well.

**ItTakesTime** · 03-22-2007, 01:51 PM

hm...interesting

**mc4_a** · 03-22-2007, 01:59 PM

I had a tough workout last night and then attempted HIIT. I got like 6 minutes into it and said screw it. There's only so much I can do before dropping dead.

**GP2001** · 03-22-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by nithos

I can barely handle low/mod intensity cardio without forcing myself mentally.

Forcing myself mentally is a BIG part of it for me. Its those times when im 15 minutes into HIIT after already lifting really hard for an hour when I think " I'm exhausted, I want to stop" but force myself to finish and not slow down. The more I do it, the easier it gets...It all comes down to how much drive and determination you have, at least thats what it is for me...

**nutzo** · 03-22-2007, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by GP2001

I do HIIT after every lifting session, and while it is tiring, it is still very intense. I don't see why someone can't have an intense lifting session for an hour and have an intense 20 min of HIIT after. I mean I understand that after an intense lifting session someone will be tired, but they shouldn't be colapsing on the ground with no strength left. HIIT after lifting is a REAL bitch, but IMO isn't impossible, since I do it Mon, Tue,Thur,and Fri. (Just cardio Wed) Just because I have an insanely intense day of traing Chest and triceps, why can't I use a stairmaster after??

I totally agree, I hit it hard with the iron and while I've just started HIIT training I have been able to do it so far at the end of my workout.

**GP2001** · 03-22-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by ScottC

I would bet you would have a much better HIIT session if you did it by itself on an off day.

Agreed, its quite obvious that if someone is "fresh" so to speak then they will be able to work harder. I just think that too many people think you CAN'T do HIIT after lifting, like its physically impossible. It is harder, and you are clearly going to be more tired, but its nowhere near impossible. It just feels like everyone is saying after lifting you should be collapsing on the ground and unable to move, which unless you go for 4 hours for your first day ever touching a weight, IMO that should'nt be the case.

**FatScottishGuy** · 03-22-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by ScottC

I would bet you would have a much better HIIT session if you did it by itself on an off day.

Personally, I don't really care what you do (it is all up to you), but I will say though that your HIIT session is not as effective as it would be if you did it on an off day. It physically can't be as effective because of what you already expended during your workout.

QFT

No one said that you physically cannot do a HIIT session after weights but
1 - It will be very very physically and mentally demanding.
2 - You will not be able to do full intensity.
3 - You will be putting yourself on the fast track to burn out.
Why do this to yourself? It?s been said before, and it?s so true I will say it again. Loosing fat is a marathon, not a sprint. If you try to push your body too hard it will punish you by burning out.

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