Most UNDERATED/OVERATED NOW!!!

**Incinerated** · 03-18-2007, 05:44 PM

about badell... granted he looks like **** these days but if he bring conditioning like he had in 05... he's pretty damn impressive.

Same thing with james and ruhl, they are both monsters but they always have huge waists...

Personally..

Overated-Freeman, never really liked him...

Underated-Wolf (apparently he has some big ass flaw, i just don't know
it)
Henry (his bicep peak isn't "holly ****", guess who else is like
that, he's Mr. O).

**zepto second** · 03-18-2007, 05:49 PM

underratted: Phil Heath and tony freeman

Overrated: Victor Martinez

**rocco421** · 03-18-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by zepto second

underratted: Phil Heath and tony freeman

Overrated: Victor Martinez

phil heath underrated? half the people in this forum have already given him an olympia title

**Baker19** · 03-18-2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Vinex

Overrated - Heath

Underrated - Haidar

qft

**Vinex** · 03-19-2007, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Baker19

qft

whats qft stand for?

**Wilde** · 03-19-2007, 04:56 AM

Under rated - BRANCH WARREN! how does a man with legs like oak trees and all over hard conditioning like that lose to Phil Heath who's like half his size

Ronnie Rockel - no explanation required.

Over rated - Phil Heath

**rdouble79** · 03-19-2007, 05:29 AM

underrated- If we are talking fan wise i would have to say Tony Freeman 2wins in 2weeks and then a 3rd placing in a stacked Arnold lineup and still gets hated on tremendously on the boards for lack of a bicep peak, give me a break no one is flawless but overall he has one of the best physiques in the game at least the judges think so, so i think most of us are just knit picking as fans or are playing favorites. Also David henry used to be overrated but has lacked his traditional conditioning this year and looked bad so i don't know.

Overrated- Definetly Phil Heath I like Phil but People have already crowned him the next Mr.O He has some areas to work on and has to add a little more mass but he is on the right path for sure and just needs to keep doing what he's doing.

**rdouble79** · 03-19-2007, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Wilde

Under rated - BRANCH WARREN! how does a man with legs like oak trees and all over hard conditioning like that lose to Phil Heath who's like half his size

Ronnie Rockel - no explanation required.

Over rated - Phil Heath

Incredible mass yes but he has so much that it blurs his lines and you can hardly see separation in some of his muscles and like you said conditioning, in a contest you have to bring the best total package right!

**Clean** · 03-19-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by rocco421

3rd at the ASC with that lineup is a big deal.

Agreed. Tony Freeman is anything but overrated.

Now Phil Heath is overrated.

Ruhl- he is kind of underrated, but he has conditioning problems, the pec tear, and is too big most of the time

qft= quoted for truth

**Cyclops** · 03-20-2007, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

overrated - Dennis James(seriously needs to do something about his gut)

What do you expect him to do? Ask a surgeon to remove his overgrown GH intestines?

**flangmasterj** · 03-20-2007, 01:37 AM

Overated - by far Markus Ruhl - put the guy down he's only embarassing himself.

Underated - definately Ahmad Haidar - the guy is the perfect bodybuilding physique.

**BB is 4 life :)** · 03-20-2007, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by SMASH23

david henry is indeed underrated but his back db bi is weak.. he has no bicep peak..

Correction he has one of the best Back double Bi's in the sport......theres more to that pose than biceps.

His back blows most out the water, his delts are full and round in all three heads and his hams are seperated, his glutes are striated and his taper is impressive.....so he doesnt have a massive peak on his bicep. That doesnt make his rear double weak.

**BB is 4 life :)** · 03-20-2007, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Clean

Agreed. Tony Freeman is anything but overrated.

Now Phil Heath is overrated. 5th first time out at the Arnold and winning his pro debuts is not overrated. Before the Arnold i could stand people saying it because he hadnt gona against the best, but he's been on stage with top5 finishers at the Olympia now, and he held his own.....the overrated statements dont stand any longer

Ruhl- he is kind of underrated, but he has conditioning problems, the pec tear, and is too big most of the time

qft= quoted for truth

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**zaxx19** · 03-20-2007, 02:12 AM

Someone should put Ruhl down...looks like a science experiment gone wrong.

People keep saying the guy has credentials in pharmacy, youd think he could use that knowledge to look somewhat aesthetically pleasing. The truth is looking at his "pre-lifting" pics he just doenst have much to work with genetically and contrary to what many on this site would like to believe genetics determine alot.

**flangmasterj** · 03-20-2007, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by zaxx19

Someone should put Ruhl down...looks like a science experiment gone wrong.

People keep saying the guy has credentials in pharmacy, youd think he could use that knowledge to look somewhat aesthetically pleasing. The truth is looking at his "pre-lifting" pics he just doenst have much to work with genetically and contrary to what many on this site would like to believe genetics determine alot.

Bingo!!

There are a few deluded people on this here site.

**Clean** · 03-20-2007, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

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No, he is overrated because people have already said he was Mr. Olympia before he even got to the Arnold. I am pretty sure that hype went into giving him a lot of call outs as well.

And contrary to what people are saying, he is no Kevin Levrone or Flex Wheeler. Sure, he has big arms, but they were more complete bodybuilders then he was and in a different time.

You also have to kind of think that he is getting lucky some of the time as well because a lot of pros are fading because they cannot get things together. (Branch, Ruhl, etc.)

**stealth_swimmer** · 03-20-2007, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Clean

No, he is overrated because people have already said he was Mr. Olympia before he even got to the Arnold. I am pretty sure that hype went into giving him a lot of call outs as well.

And contrary to what people are saying, he is no Kevin Levrone or Flex Wheeler. Sure, he has big arms, but they were more complete bodybuilders then he was and in a different time.

You also have to kind of think that he is getting lucky some of the time as well because a lot of pros are fading because they cannot get things together. (Branch, Ruhl, etc.)

Is it his fault that other guys are fading? Nope. Anyways, I definately think Phil is Mr. O material...just not for the next 5 years or so. He's going to be making the posedown for sure in 5-6 years. He just needs time to work on his physique. Am I saying he's gonna win it anytime soon? No. Agreed though that he ain't a Flex or Kevin. Those guys looked like some sort of super bodybuilders made in a lab from lesser bodybuilders.

**Clean** · 03-20-2007, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

Is it his fault that other guys are fading? Nope. Anyways, I definately think Phil is Mr. O material...just not for the next 5 years or so. He's going to be making the posedown for sure in 5-6 years. He just needs time to work on his physique. Am I saying he's gonna win it anytime soon? No. Agreed though that he ain't a Flex or Kevin. Those guys looked like some sort of super bodybuilders made in a lab from lesser bodybuilders.

Yea, never said it was the other competitors fault for fading, but they are making his job seem much easier and the hype more by coming in at 80%.

**oggie** · 03-20-2007, 11:11 AM

Underated - Lee Preist, Sergey Shelstov, Dexter Jackson (for mr. O)
Overated - No one, they've all proven their good enough to be pro's (although I don't lik Gustavo because of his personality and attitude)

**user23960508710783** · 03-20-2007, 11:31 AM

It just dawned on me that insofar as no one has yet formally challenged Queen Kamali's right to continue being a professional bodybuilder, he would have to be considered the most overrated.

**Mortis** · 03-20-2007, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul4447

It just dawned on me that insofar as no one has yet formally challenged Queen Kamali's right to continue being a professional bodybuilder, he would have to be considered the most overrated.

Lots of people called for the removal of his pro card after his miserable appearance at the 2006 Montreal Pro.

**rdouble79** · 03-20-2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by BB is 4 life :)

Correction he has one of the best Back double Bi's in the sport......theres more to that pose than biceps.

His back blows most out the water, his delts are full and round in all three heads and his hams are seperated, his glutes are striated and his taper is impressive.....so he doesnt have a massive peak on his bicep. That doesnt make his rear double weak.

So true probably the best back detail besides ronnie pre-06

**Vinex** · 03-20-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul4447

It just dawned on me that insofar as no one has yet formally challenged Queen Kamali's right to continue being a professional bodybuilder, he would have to be considered the most overrated.

I actually have grown to like kamali over the past few weeks.. listening to him on probbingweekly you can really tell he knows his ****.. i mean ffs he should shut his mouth about shawn ray, and put that energy into training.. However, there are glimpses of hope, wasnt this guy placing in the top 5 at the arnold once upon a time?

**chan_ho_nam** · 03-20-2007, 04:09 PM

Under rated: Melvin, Troy Alves, Rockel, David Henry
Over rated: Gustavo, Toney Freeman

Toney looks fantastic for a big guy, but standing next to Dexter, Heath, Victor at the Arnold really showed his flaws.

Heath is definitely not over rated, he's exactly where he should be. Anytime a bodybuilder debuts the way he did (Flex, Levrone, Ray) they had incredible careers. He has all the potential in the world for improvement, and his showing at the ASC proved that he can ALREADY hang with the top guys.

**Absalom** · 03-20-2007, 07:01 PM

Overrated: Badell(no need to explain), Markus Ruhl (looks like he was put together by Frankenstein), Gunter(not a popularity contest) Tony Freeman(looks the same and too small, rised too fast), Victor Martinez(given a gift for improvement but not because he was better than Dex at arnold and physique isn't that pleasing from the front, and nasty set of thighs), Melvin Anthony(too small, not hard enough, lazy trainer), Jay Cutler,(crappy arms, same film of water in his lower back, and flat in front and back).

Underrated: Johnnie Jackson (Although he has small legs, has one of the best upper bodies, just needs more overall size, and strong as hell) David Henry(not missing any parts, and very pleasing physique, just need more size) Dennis Wolf.

Why is everyone saying Dexter is overrated? Sure he has a boring ass personality, but he has one of the best overrall physiques, and many bb's admire his physique, and he comes is shredded everytime. All he need his more size, and bigger calves.

**AVBG** · 03-20-2007, 07:09 PM

Underated... Martin Kjellstrom @ six foot and just under 300lbs in contest shape..

**Guardian** · 03-20-2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Absalom

Overrated: Badell(no need to explain), Markus Ruhl (looks like he was put together by Frankenstein), Gunter(not a popularity contest) Tony Freeman(looks the same and too small, rised too fast), Victor Martinez(given a gift for improvement but not because he was better than Dex at arnold and physique isn't that pleasing from the front, and nasty set of thighs), Melvin Anthony(too small, not hard enough, lazy trainer), Jay Cutler,(crappy arms, same film of water in his lower back, and flat in front and back).

Underrated: Johnnie Jackson (Although he has small legs, has one of the best upper bodies, just needs more overall size, and strong as hell) David Henry(not missing any parts, and very pleasing physique, just need more size) Dennis Wolf.

Why is everyone saying Dexter is overrated? Sure he has a boring ass personality, but he has one of the best overrall physiques, and many bb's admire his physique, and he comes is shredded everytime. All he need his more size, and bigger calves.

Whats the difference between bigger calves and more size?

**AVBG** · 03-20-2007, 07:10 PM

Overated: Marcus Ruhl..

**Mortis** · 03-20-2007, 07:11 PM

^^^

Ronnie's gut looks abominable in that photo. Wonder what year it was taken in.

**oggie** · 03-20-2007, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Mortis

^^^

Ronnie's gut looks abominable in that photo. Wonder what year it was taken in.

I don't think that is ronnie, i'm pretty sure that photo is from the 2007 aussie pro that just past

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