7 "Classic" Exercises You Should Avoid - ??
7 "Classic" Exercises You Should Avoid
http://www.flexonline.com/train/6?page=1
Other exercises he says to avoid:SQUATS
Let's start at the top, with the so-called "King of All Exercises." For advanced bodybuilders, this is more like the "King of All Back Breakers and Butt Builders." Like most trainers, I did squats for years, and I'm of two minds regarding their effectiveness. It's a good fundamental exercise for some, if kept in check. The problem is that too few people keep them in check, and many people just aren't built for them.
Along with the bench press and the deadlift, the squat is one lift in which guys really pile on the plates for low reps. The bottom line is if you're always going heavy, eventually there will be a straw that breaks the camel's or, in this case, the bodybuilder's back. It happened to me. Heavy squatting was the primary reason I had lower back surgery in 1998.
Consider what you're doing when squatting. You have a heavy weight on your traps, sometimes more than 500 pounds, pressing down on your spine. Then you bend down, putting your lumbar region in a vulnerable position, not to mention the strain on your knees and even your shoulders, from holding the bar. All of this is compounded if you're my height or taller. If you're Lee Priest or Dexter Jackson, you can do squats all day with good form and little discomfort, but if you're over 5'10", it's tough to do them without bending forward too far.
Any kind of presses behind the neck
Barbell Rows
Deadlifts
Barbell Bench Press
Barbell Curl
Skull Crushers
He recommends various alternatives to all these. Interesting reading but it left me kind of scratching my head.
What do you guys make of this article?
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11-10-2003, 11:13 AM #1Registered User
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7 "Classic" Exercises You Should Avoid - ??
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11-10-2003, 11:18 AM #2Registered User
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My first response is wondering why he thinks being taller requires a person to bend over more when squatting. With a thought process like this, I would not be too concerned with his opinions.
Always learning.
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11-10-2003, 11:20 AM #3Train smarter not harder
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i like my summary of exercises more- all exercises are equally dangerous if not done with proper form.
try to load up more than you can handle, injury waiting to happen
try to use **** ass form, injury waiting to happen.Booo
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11-10-2003, 11:24 AM #4Ron Paul 2012
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Idiot should have worn a belt if it hurt so bad.
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11-10-2003, 11:30 AM #5Shutup and lift...bitches
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He really said barbell curls were bad?
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11-10-2003, 11:35 AM #6Registered User
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He primarily complains about straight bar barbell curls. Doing them with an EZ Curl bar or dumbbells would be OK according to the article.Originally posted by Wheelies
He really said barbell curls were bad?Always learning.
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11-10-2003, 12:04 PM #7Registered User
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Why would a taller person have to bend over more? Yes they might be fractions of an inch difference, but the angles of the joints are all the same and that's a lot more important for stress on the body.
I'd rather be lifting.
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11-10-2003, 12:49 PM #8Registered User
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It's written by Bob Ciccerillo for Flex Magazine, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.
"Government should stay the hell out of people's business." - Senator Barry Goldwater
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11-10-2003, 01:26 PM #9Cui Bono?
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If you're going to take advice from a pro, it had might as well be a top pro, and Ronnie Coleman does squats, deads, curls, and rows.
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11-10-2003, 02:09 PM #10Registered User
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Here's another quote from that article:
"Instead of traditional squats, I do hack squats and leg presses. They're better than squats for muscling up the quads and targeting different areas, and they're safer, too. I believe in full ranges of motion, all the way down and all the way up for these movements, and for leg presses, I take a relatively wide stance. The taller you are, the wider your stance should be."
Come ooooon!!!! Hack squats and leg presses better than squats for muscling up the quads? What a crock of ****!!!
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11-10-2003, 02:53 PM #11Sleepy moderator
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bump... i wonder if there are any good excercises for him to do...Originally posted by amusclehead
i like my summary of exercises more- all exercises are equally dangerous if not done with proper form.
try to load up more than you can handle, injury waiting to happen
try to use **** ass form, injury waiting to happen.
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11-10-2003, 03:30 PM #12bump.Originally posted by jino
Here's another quote from that article:
"Instead of traditional squats, I do hack squats and leg presses. They're better than squats for muscling up the quads and targeting different areas, and they're safer, too. I believe in full ranges of motion, all the way down and all the way up for these movements, and for leg presses, I take a relatively wide stance. The taller you are, the wider your stance should be."
Come ooooon!!!! Hack squats and leg presses better than squats for muscling up the quads? What a crock of ****!!!
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11-10-2003, 03:36 PM #13
Actually, I agree with him on the issue of straightbars and behind the neck stuff.
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11-10-2003, 03:38 PM #14Train smarter not harder
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Originally posted by Miracle Fingers
Actually, I agree with him on the issue of straightbars and behind the neck stuff.
well, he just happens to be right about behind-neck-stuff
but for the rest of his arguements you could replace exercise X w/ Y and jsut say it's bad because people load up too much weight and injure themselvesBooo
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11-10-2003, 04:07 PM #15Registered User
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the master article
heres the best article i've seen ripping this article apart
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum...rue#Post677852
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11-10-2003, 04:14 PM #16Super Member
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I just think its realy funny to hear a pro BB talk about the "dangers" of certain exercises........
because if i were them i'd be lot more worried about the INSANE AMOUNTS OF GEAR THAT THEY DUMP IN THERE BODIES!!
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11-10-2003, 04:27 PM #17Train smarter not harder
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Re: the master article
?Access Denied. ?Originally posted by Symmetry
heres the best article i've seen ripping this article apart
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum...rue#Post677852Booo
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11-10-2003, 04:31 PM #18Senior Member
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except for a couple of things...its a pretty bad article
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11-10-2003, 04:39 PM #19Contrarian Tide
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use it to wipe, not study
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11-10-2003, 05:13 PM #20Member
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How so? Does he know more than olympic coaches or even team doctors?? Please, give it up.Originally posted by amusclehead
well, he just happens to be right about behind-neck-stuff
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11-10-2003, 05:15 PM #21Sleepy moderator
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knew that was coming johnny can u check ur pm's....Originally posted by Here's johnny
How so? Does he know more than olympic coaches or even team doctors?? Please, give it up.
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11-10-2003, 05:52 PM #22The Sardonicness
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LOL. This guy is so full of **** it is almost scary. He just told people not to do any of the 3 power movements, which are some of the best movements for mass ever. Waht a load of horse ****.
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11-10-2003, 06:12 PM #23Motivator
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If your using proper form squats is perfectly fine. If your using proper form with a weight you can't use then you'll lack form. Therefore damaging yourself. Or even worse....death.
Now I read an article on bodybuilding.com about the vertebrae. If proper form is used the (forgot the part) can handle 1700 pounds of compression force.
I don't think there are people squatting that. Much less more...The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and hear all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds. ~Henry Rollins
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11-10-2003, 06:17 PM #24Train smarter not harder
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Originally posted by ReSpAwN DeMoN
If your using proper form squats is perfectly fine. If your using proper form with a weight you can't use then you'll lack form. Therefore damaging yourself. Or even worse....death.
Now I read an article on bodybuilding.com about the vertebrae. If proper form is used the (forgot the part) can handle 1700 pounds of compression force.
I don't think there are people squatting that. Much less more...
Ut oh, i'm using 1702
Booo
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11-10-2003, 06:18 PM #25Registered User
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Huh?Originally posted by ReSpAwN DeMoN
If your using proper form with a weight you can't use then you'll lack form.
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11-10-2003, 06:26 PM #26Registered User
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IMHO, every exercise is a risk even with perfect form. Best bet is to warm up properly.
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11-10-2003, 06:31 PM #27Registered User
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I can squat that much too, so HAH! Maybe not pounds, but ounces. No problem.Originally posted by amusclehead
Ut oh, i'm using 1702
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11-10-2003, 07:09 PM #28Fallen to Ruin
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I do all the exercises he listed, except behind the neck presses, and I used to do military press behind the neck up until less than a year ago. I don't know if I buy into all that.
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11-10-2003, 07:10 PM #29You squat 106lbs? Lightweight!Originally posted by Andrew_S
I can squat that much too, so HAH! Maybe not pounds, but ounces. No problem.
Well, after giving that list a look, I conclude I've been doing everything wrong all these years. Time to stop lifting and start gardening.
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11-10-2003, 07:38 PM #30Registered User
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CAN squat that much, not DO.Originally posted by entweichen
You squat 106lbs? Lightweight!
Well, after giving that list a look, I conclude I've been doing everything wrong all these years. Time to stop lifting and start gardening.
But still, I'm new to this whole iron thing.
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