Any Mesos have a 6 pack?

[FSUFan4]

If so, how'd you do it?

[zaxx19]

They are just gonna say "diet"...thats all anyone says for a 6 pack....bc it is true. Either diet or genetics...and im guessing you missed out on the genetics part.

[FSUFan4]

Originally Posted by zaxx19

They are just gonna say "diet"...thats all anyone says for a 6 pack....bc it is true. Either diet or genetics...and im guessing you missed out on the genetics part.

I'm your typical Meso... so yeah, I don't have a 6 pack naturally

My diet rules. I do carb cycling and keep it clean. Still waiting on that lower ab/oblique fat to leave

[user89489489438943]

Originally Posted by FSUFan4

If so, how'd you do it?

i believe im a meso... cause

1 - i can gain weight if i want easily
2 - i can lose weight if i want easily

and yes, its the diet. lower ur bf% and there u have it.

[FSUFan4]

Originally Posted by Inho

i believe im a meso... cause

1 - i can gain weight if i want easily
2 - i can lose weight if i want easily

and yes, its the diet. lower ur bf% and there u have it.

ok, what was your diet like when you got a 6 pack?

Never understood why people in this section withheld information

[crazymutha]

Besides diet, more cardio. It is true. Do a 45 min. fast walk (about 4 mph) 6-7 days a week. IMO, if you can't get the six showin with this, than your probably not a meso...or at least in typical way.

[FSUFan4]

Originally Posted by crazymutha

Besides diet, more cardio. It is true. Do a 45 min. fast walk (about 4 mph) 6-7 days a week. IMO, if you can't get the six showin with this, than your probably not a meso...or at least in typical way.

Can endo's not get a 6 pack? (I had one in high school)

[newz-]

anyone can get a 6pack, if you cant youre just not dedicated enough.. genetics is an excuse unless youre ill, why wouldnt a meso have a 6pack a true endo would have the hardest struggle to get and maintain a full 6pack but still doable with work!

[skelooth]

Originally Posted by FSUFan4

If so, how'd you do it?

You are confused as to what a meso is.

[MattyH7688]

Originally Posted by skelooth

You are confused as to what a meso is.

yea i think so too.. i was thinking to myself dont mesos usually have a 6 pack and endos rarely doo

[FSUFan4]

So I'm an endo then since I don't have a 6 pack?

[newz-]

no, you're probly just skinnyfat.. post again at 9-10% and tell everyone you dont have a 6pack dude, your nick says "never ending cut"

best advice youll get, bulk.. cleanbulk, very clean-cardio.. get some good size going, then cut.. once your abs are developed they're visible at a higher bodyfat, the more lbm you have the higher the resting metabolic rate you have. The more conditioned you are to eating well/cardio the easier fat is to drop due to the body handling nutrients much better, listen to all that^ and youll have a GOOD 6pack in a year not just scrawny abs

[FSUFan4]

Originally Posted by newz-

no, you're probly just skinnyfat.. post again at 9-10% and tell everyone you dont have a 6pack dude, your nick says "never ending cut"

best advice youll get, bulk.. cleanbulk, very clean-cardio.. get some good size going, then cut.. once your abs are developed they're visible at a higher bodyfat, the more lbm you have the higher the resting metabolic rate you have. The more conditioned you are to eating well/cardio the easier fat is to drop due to the body handling nutrients much better, listen to all that^ and youll have a GOOD 6pack in a year not just scrawny abs

Wrong. I'm not skinny fat. Roommates say I looks just as big as I did when i was 185.

170 now.



173 in this picture. Can I afford to cut more ?

[Blimp2Pimp]

just curious to know what bodytype I am. As stated above, I too can gain weight and lose weight very quickly. However, within the past 5 yrs, I lost an immense amount of weight. I used to be in the 300+lb range. My question is could someone who is mostly meso put on that much fat, or am I primarily an endo because of that? I tend to carry my excess weight in my love handle, hips and thigh area, but do have wide shoulders with a narrower waist. One thing I noticed I do sport that meso's have is the athletic look, broader shoulders, as opposed to soft and round of an endo.

[newz-]

checked your logout, the pics 2months old you say but in it you look around 18%. Post some new shots up, see if anyone can help you out

as for above^ , anyone even the best genetics on the planet if you eat too much youll gain fat. Just for a mesomorph due to supposadly increased growth factors and potential you should strip fat quicker, they also tend to hold fat in a more attractive way. Endos tend to hold and get large love handles, a good sign of an endo is lean quads/calves yet still a gut

[Blimp2Pimp]

Originally Posted by newz-

checked your logout, the pics 2months old you say but in it you look around 18%. Post some new shots up, see if anyone can help you out

as for above^ , anyone even the best genetics on the planet if you eat too much youll gain fat. Just for a mesomorph due to supposadly increased growth factors and potential you should strip fat quicker, they also tend to hold fat in a more attractive way. Endos tend to hold and get large love handles, a good sign of an endo is lean quads/calves yet still a gut

you see I'm the opposite. Although I do carry some weight in the love handles (not my problem area) most of my fat gets stored on my legs. It usually evenly distribute to my calf, quads, and glute area. On one hand I like storing it this way because my upper body still looks below 10% even though I am closer to 15% BF) but on the other hand, I have to wear bigger pants (even though my waist is a 34) due to me having exceptionally thick quads. But, they are strong as hell, well I guess there's more advantages than disadvantages to carrying fat below the waist

[Jules Verne]

Post your diet with macros and calories. You are not skinny fat - probably need to lose another 10lb to get really cut.

I'll bet your carb choices are not optimal.

I put on fat very easily - all I have to do is eat fairly clean but not worry too much about how much I'm eating and I'll gain. However, with some dedication I keep a 6-pack year round, even during the winter when I do very little cardio.

I don't do regular cheat meals or days - I maybe cheat a bit here and there (100-400kcal at a time) rather than a complete blowout with the occasional meal out. For me consistency in this regard is key and having the odd piece of chocolate or 1/2 glass of wine during the week is enough of a cheat.

Also, I don't eat bread, pasta, general wheat products.. (even whole wheat) and take about 1/2 my daily carbs in fibrous veg (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus are my staples). It probably amounts to about 80-100g of carbs (yes that is a lot of veg).

Sometimes/some people have to break away from the established 'rules' on this board to reach their goals. Before you think 'I can't do that - it's against the bb.com forum 'rules', think about whether it might just work'. Sometimes you have to do something a little crazy for a while to break though a plateau.

[newz-]

also, you'll look bigger as you cut because your waist shrinks so it makes you look larger and wider, more solid. Bodybuilding is about illusion, a 40" chest on a 30" waist is going to look hella more impressive then a 46" chest on a 40" waist

you got a pretty solid build, you could go either way. though id say cut right, or cleanbulk.. and by cut right drop the cals and focus primarily on fatloss, no lbm gains

[Jules Verne]

What's your lifting routine - lots of 'big' compound exercises I hope? Don't bother with any isolation stuff IMO.

[FSUFan4]

Originally Posted by Jules Verne

Post your diet with macros and calories. You are not skinny fat - probably need to lose another 10lb to get really cut.

I'll bet your carb choices are not optimal.

I put on fat very easily - all I have to do is eat fairly clean but not worry too much about how much I'm eating and I'll gain. However, with some dedication I keep a 6-pack year round, even during the winter when I do very little cardio.

I don't do regular cheat meals or days - I maybe cheat a bit here and there (100-400kcal at a time) rather than a complete blowout with the occasional meal out. For me consistency in this regard is key and having the odd piece of chocolate or 1/2 glass of wine during the week is enough of a cheat.

Also, I don't eat bread, pasta, general wheat products.. (even whole wheat) and take about 1/2 my daily carbs in fibrous veg (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus are my staples). It probably amounts to about 80-100g of carbs (yes that is a lot of veg).

Sometimes/some people have to break away from the established 'rules' on this board to reach their goals. Before you think 'I can't do that - it's against the bb.com forum 'rules', think about whether it might just work'. Sometimes you have to do something a little crazy for a while to break though a plateau.

Diet is as follows: I do carb cycling. Will post a sample low carb, med carb, high carb day. Will also post my fitday log to look at.

Low Carb Day:
Meal 1: 4 eggs
Meal 2 - 1 oz almonds, 1.5 servings ON Whey
Meal 3 - 1oz almonds, 1 large can of low sodium tuna
Meal 4 -1oz almonds, 6 servings deli turkey
Meal 5 - 2 servings of lean ground beef, mixed salad greens (2 cups)
Meal 6 - 2 Servings ON Whey, 2 Tbsp PB

Totals: ~2200 calories, 120fat, 250ish Protein, 40g carbs

Moderate Carb Day:
Meal 1 - 3/4 cup oats, 3/4cup skim milk, 1 serving ON Whey, 1 Tbsp PB
Meal 2 - 2/3oz almonds, 1.5 servings on whey, 1 cup green beans or broccoli
Meal 3 - 2/3oz almonds, some type of lean protein source, 1 cup green bean or broccoli
Meal 4 - 2/3oz almonds, some type of lean protein source, 1 cup green beans/broccoli
Meal 5 - Lean protein source, 1Tbsp PB, 1 cup green beans/broccoli
Meal 6 - 1 serving ON Whey, 1 med grapefruit, 1 Tbsp PB

Totals: ~2200 cals, 70F, 120C, 240-250Pro

High carb days, food choices are the same except I eat more oats, some Gatorade powder, and whole wheat bread.
250G carbs, 30-40g fat, 250g protein

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...ml?Owner=Brego

I do each muscle group once per week.. I do squats on leg day, deads on back day, and focus mainly on incline bench for chest as my upper chest is lacking IMO. Train abs twice per week.

[FSUFan4]

I'm 170 now and figure I will have to get down to 155ish to have decent looking abs.

Thanks for your input guys.

155 Shouldn't look too bad on me as I have a small frame.

[Jules Verne]

I've never done carb cycling, but the diet looks quite decent.

I'd go against the 'calorie rule' and drop calories by another 400-500kcal (get to ~10x body weight) for 1-2 weeks, then go back to ~2000-2200kcal and see what it does. Do whatever you need to to achieve this calorie intake without going insane - personally I find I have to drop fat to 10-15% of calories and I'd just stick to ~120-160g of carbs for that amount of total calories. You may find it easier to do low carb and keep the fats up, whatever you can do to not be too hungry.

You might even drop the PWO shake and just replace it with a regular meal (I know, I'm a heretic!), maybe add BCAA or Leucine PWO. Again, might not be good long tern, but I think you're body will handle it for 1-2 weeks just fine.

Not a long-term plan, but I don't think you'll lose muscle in 1-2 weeks doing that. Your diet is solid enough and 1700kcal is not stupidly low for 7-10 days.

Maybe think about cycling calories, rather than carbs for a few weeks? Like I said, I've never tried carb cycling - my schedule and lifestyle really doesn't allow me to be dedicated enough to do that. But I do find calorie cycling to 'work'.

[Jules Verne]

Originally Posted by FSUFan4

155 Shouldn't look too bad on me as I have a small frame.

From your posts I'm guessing you'd be happier bulking from about that weight than trying to put on LBM right now. Of course this is a BBing site, so we are not supposed to weigh less than 180-200lb, but I think you'd look OK at 155-160 and be ready from some lean mass from there.

[FSUFan4]

Originally Posted by Jules Verne

From your posts I'm guessing you'd be happier bulking from about that weight than trying to put on LBM right now. Of course this is a BBing site, so we are not supposed to weigh less than 180-200lb, but I think you'd look OK at 155-160 and be ready from some lean mass from there.

Those were my plans. Basically I will sacrifice size to get my 6 pack back.. then go from there...bulk cleaner, leaner than what I used to. Will probably hire a dietitican for 8 weeks or so to make sure I know what I'm doing next time I bulk. 155 is the goal now though. Repped on recharge for you Jules Verne

[zaxx19]

155 Shouldn't look too bad on me as I have a small frame

Wow, im not trying to be an ass but for the guys that just want to get lean and dont mind being underweight...why the hell do you lift?

Id be on a straight gymnastics/jogging type workout myself if I wanted to be 155 and ripped up. They look the best out of those types.


And listen you guys people arent STRICTLY endos or STRICTLY Mesos....etc. for the most part.

The funniest thing I see on here is when people try to classify others based on present shape or a photo....

While some may be CLEAR endos...or clear ectos....the real test comes from how one responds to stimuli not the way one presently looks in the mirror.

@ 260 lbs and 17% bodyfat when I was 21 many probably if they saw me and my musculature(small waist huge shoulders) probably would have told me I was a meso with bad eating habits....

@ 345 and no lifting for a couple years....the same morons would probably say "oh, your definitely a pure "Endo".....

Alot if not most of how you look is based on your behavior especially if you have a tendancy to gain/lose weight, people look alot different when you add or subtract 80,100,or even 125 pounds....look at Star Jones, If I had to guess when she was morbidly obese I would have thought she was just one of those big boned "nigerian" blacks with large muscles and bone structure underneath her fatty deposits....in reality she is a very thin bones individual.

Look if it is REALLY hard for you to gain even 5 lbs EVEN if you stuff your grill 24-7 and lift you are a PURE endo; and likewise, if you have a natural pear shape and gain weight from just looking at food even with moderate execise you are a pure endo(probably).....and if you were like 170-190 naturally and have normal bone/tendon length a little above average tone and can put on muscle FAIRLY easily your basically a pure Meso.

Everyone else is a hybrid, like me a Meso-Endo hybrid. I have tons of length in my bones and tendons(I dont have cankles in other words even @ almost 350 I dont) I put on weight easily (both muscle and fat) but I can also lose weight fairly easily with a moderate amount of exercise and lifting and just some rudimentary diet stuff. I HAVE NEVER though had a 6-pack....or been REALLY lean.

Most of the guys I see on here, at least alot of them are simply ecto-meso hybrids...thats why alot of people on here trumpet leaness over mass....basically thats their tendency anyway and people tend to see themselves as attractive USUALLY at least fundamentally.

[FSUFan4]

155 isn't too underweight for my size.

Like I said, once I am LEAN and get there, I will try to clean bulk back up some. No intentions of maintaining 155.

[Jules Verne]

Originally Posted by zaxx19

Wow, im not trying to be an ass but for the guys that just want to get lean and dont mind being underweight...why the hell do you lift?

Id be on a straight gymnastics/jogging type workout myself if I wanted to be 155 and ripped up. They look the best out of those types.

because then, even if you are a bit 'underweight' you will be ripped instead of skinny fat.

A lot of runners I know end up looking like ****, even though they can run. same with cyclists.

[Jules Verne]

Originally Posted by zaxx19

The funniest thing I see on here is when people try to classify others based on present shape or a photo....

While some may be CLEAR endos...or clear ectos....the real test comes from how one responds to stimuli not the way one presently looks in the mirror.

Totally agree. I have no idea what 'body type' I am. I just know I put on fat easily - for instance even slow bulking, and lose it very slowly. I'm happy with 1/2lb fat loss/week while cutting.

Nobody would suspect that from my build - everyone at work assumes that I naturally keep a low bodyfat - despite seeing what I eat.

[jonbfg]

diet fool