Questions for JDSers(N0rds, IslandBoy, Zelensky, +alts, etc)

[Xtermin8fascist]

OP, FWIW I disagree with giving literal Nazis a platform for free speech. Free speech needs to have reasonable limits. Hate speech that practically equates to terrorism needs to be curtailed for good reasons.

Germany, for example, doesn't allow for Nazi freedom of speech. It's a limit on free speech, but so is being unable to make bomb jokes at an airport or yell fire in a crowded theatre if there's no fire.

Why should we do this? A concept called the Paradox of Tolerance:

"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance."


You might say that Nazism is so absurd, transparently ridiculous and false and evil and self-defeating that it couldn't possibly motivate anyone in today's age to seriously adopt it and act on it. But the behaviour of a right-wing faction over recent years has definitely shown otherwise.


Free speech can stupefy instead of educate and it can imprison people in echo chambers with no exposure to alternate ideas. Just look at XterraRob's nerd forum, it's literally a gated community that pelts anyone with a different opinion with a fusillade of chicken nuggets upon arrival. In the same of supposed free speech.

Nazism desires the literal genocide of undesirables. It often starts with their arguments communicated in a way that makes you think it wouldn't end in violence, but that's the danger of it. Hitler himself went through a progression of simple ideas and theories to outright violence.

Non-violent Nazi is an oxymoron and terrorism cannot be protected as free speech.

Correct. You have to actively kill nazis. Liberals tremble at the thought of it, which is why liberals always lose to fascists. Only socialism can defeat fascism. To the liberal, we look like hateful, angry people. They don't understand that we are protecting them, and their false equivalency is a lie. It's okay. After the dust settles, we can all go back to pretending to be liberals. When SHTF, they will need committed antifascists to pick up guns and save them, as usual.

When nazis come out of the woodwork, we take the gloves off. That's how it has to be. In the marketplace of ideas, Nazis are the equivalent of serving rat poison as a drink.

[NYPat]

How do you think you dont sound like nypat?

lmao, so what are you, then? Jew/Muslim/Christian/Buddhist, what ethnicity?

Don't try to equate this trash to me. And grow some balls and go off on this clown.

[Xtermin8fascist]

Don't try to equate this trash to me. And grow some balls and go off on this clown.

He's too scared to go hard against nazis. He'd rather bash the people opposing them because he is a COWARD.

[Polaris]

He's too scared to go hard against nazis. He'd rather bash the people opposing them because he is a COWARD.

Chastising some stranger on the internet is a truly courageous act.

[georgeenoob]

Was personally curious myself with OP's questions till I remembered the nutjobs these questions are directed towards after reading this thread.

You'll never get answers OP, you're dealing with short-tempered, paranoid schizophrenics.

[BigElephant]

I've expressed some of my views on this with you already. This response isn't meant to answer for anyone else or be hostile, but rather to completely answer all three of your questions from my point of view.

1. I see posting about the left- "leftists" and "democrats." Could you please explain why you criticize political groups (mostly see the left) in the USA if at the core you believe both the left and right are part of the parasitic jew system? Shouldnt you just be blaming jews in that situation if thats what you truly believed?

I mostly point out the Jews, and in most debates on here and IRL I point out that the Jew controlled media/education/finance system is only half of the equation, and that the right (or more appropriately, the GOP) enables them by funneling endless aid money and resources into Israel. I place more blame on the left however because they are the ones enacting globohomo policy in the US, and some of them actually believe in it at this point so the problem isn't only Jews. Plus there are some on the right who do not support Israel.

2. If youre America First, why is there barely any criticism of Hamas or other anti-American countries? Shouldnt we be in agreement that we allow the middle easterners to fight it out without outside support? The US provides aid to both sides. (I will say we are much more biased to Israel but that's a different topic of economic liberalism IMO)

I am definitely in agreement with that, and this is something we've talked about before so you already know my position here. I definitely say fukk them both (or all, as there are several ME groups/countries that hate us) and let them fight it out. Pull aid from every country in that region, and Ukraine as well even though that's not really related here.

3. How are you in such support of President Trump, who is more pro-Israel than I'd even like, if he is the antithesis of your ideology?

Another one we've talked about, but I'll expand. Trump is lesser of two evils at this point. Yes he's giving money and support to the enemy, but Biden is letting a different kind of enemy into the country. At present I think it's more important to tap into our own energy resources and stop the floodgates at the southern border before it's too late. I mean as a result of that we're already seeing middle easterners smuggling themselves into the US via the southern border, as well as Chinese nationalists and many other potential threats. Our immediate physical safety is in jeopardy. If there were a candidate who would lock down the border and cut off aid to Israel and Palestine and Saudi and Ukraine, I would vote for that candidate.

At present I choose to pick the candidate who is better for our homefront physical safety and for the prices of everything and continue to grow awareness of the threat of globohomo/clownworld and get people to follow the money and see where that comes from (Jews) so that we can finally eventually get a candidate to stand up for actual Americans first and against foreign and Jewish supremacist interests. Maybe that's the wrong choice, and time will tell on that, but right now it feels like the right choice.

[gachase21]

I see that fuks back in here with the offensive, inconsiderate, and possible racist user name and avi

[Godfrd824]

I would make an effort and literally give you the most coherent and logical explanation and answer to every single one of your question, rabbiEV.

But that would be in absolute fkn waste of my time, energy, and supreme Celestial IQ, because it is quite obvious by now to everyone, that you are irredeemably fkn low IQ. Like, you're straight up the retarded mother fukker to end up sukking jew dikk when trying to order a hotdog at a hotdog stand. Somehow, someway, your retarded ass would find a way to end up in that unfortunate scenario.

Nobody on the misc should put any effort in trying to enlighten you any longer. You are forever a dikk suckingly retarded jew smegma licker.

Mental illness off the charts.

I was internet homeless for over 2 weeks when misc was down.

I was BRICKED UP with all this anti semitism, bro. Sorry it had to be rabbEV's face that I unloaded 2 weeks worth of grade A Celestial jewhate on.

Pray for me to be better, astrojewbro.

Mental illness and incel status confirmed. Also may be secretly gay, but not that much of secret.






OP you don't seem to understand. The jew is an inferior specimen while at the same time beating the glorious white man at everything everytime. It truly is a conundrum.

[MinisterOfLust]

OP, FWIW I disagree with giving literal Nazis a platform for free speech. Free speech needs to have reasonable limits. Hate speech that practically equates to terrorism needs to be curtailed for good reasons.

Germany, for example, doesn't allow for Nazi freedom of speech. It's a limit on free speech, but so is being unable to make bomb jokes at an airport or yell fire in a crowded theatre if there's no fire.

Why should we do this? A concept called the Paradox of Tolerance:

"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance."


You might say that Nazism is so absurd, transparently ridiculous and false and evil and self-defeating that it couldn't possibly motivate anyone in today's age to seriously adopt it and act on it. But the behaviour of a right-wing faction over recent years has definitely shown otherwise.


Free speech can stupefy instead of educate and it can imprison people in echo chambers with no exposure to alternate ideas. Just look at XterraRob's nerd forum, it's literally a gated community that pelts anyone with a different opinion with a fusillade of chicken nuggets upon arrival. In the name of supposed free speech.

Nazism desires the literal genocide of undesirables. It often starts with their arguments communicated in a way that makes you think it wouldn't end in violence, but that's the danger of it. Hitler himself went through a progression of simple ideas and theories to outright violence.

Non-violent Nazi is an oxymoron and terrorism cannot be protected as free speech.

I quickly left that echo chamber and vowed to never return after realizing what it was about

[ChangGang]

Don't try to equate this trash to me. And grow some balls and go off on this clown.

Why don't you try it?

[2011change]

Was personally curious myself with OP's questions till I remembered the nutjobs these questions are directed towards after reading this thread.

You'll never get answers OP, you're dealing with short-tempered, paranoid schizophrenics.

I see that fuks back in here with the offensive, inconsiderate, and possible racist user name and avi

Mental illness off the charts.



Mental illness and incel status confirmed. Also may be secretly gay, but not that much of secret.






OP you don't seem to understand. The jew is an inferior specimen while at the same time beating the glorious white man at everything everytime. It truly is a conundrum.

Found the big nose freaks

[Jayzuz]

Correct. You have to actively kill nazis. Liberals tremble at the thought of it, which is why liberals always lose to fascists. Only socialism can defeat fascism. To the liberal, we look like hateful, angry people. They don't understand that we are protecting them, and their false equivalency is a lie. It's okay. After the dust settles, we can all go back to pretending to be liberals. When SHTF, they will need committed antifascists to pick up guns and save them, as usual.

When nazis come out of the woodwork, we take the gloves off. That's how it has to be. In the marketplace of ideas, Nazis are the equivalent of serving rat poison as a drink.

More impotent rage from the resident shut in lol.

[Gainzzz]

OP you don't seem to understand. The jew is an inferior specimen while at the same time beating the glorious white man at everything everytime. It truly is a conundrum.

You said the exact same thing to me a few weeks ago. I explained that no one thinks Jews are dumb or incompetent, they are the opposite. They just can't help poisoning any society that welcomes them. It would be great if they used their genetic gifts for good instead of evil but we have hundreds of years of history that shows they can't.

You're cut from the same faggot cloth as BullittCUCK. Your lust for Jew cock blocks your ability to retain information so you end up making the same arguments and asking the same questions over and over again.

[Godfrd824]

You said the exact same thing to me a few weeks ago. I explained that no one thinks Jews are dumb or incompetent, they are the opposite. They just can't help poisoning any society that welcomes them. It would be great if they used their genetic gifts for good instead of evil but we have hundreds of years of history that shows they can't.

You're cut from the same faggot cloth as BullittCUCK. Your lust for Jew cock blocks your ability to retain information so you end up making the same arguments and asking the same questions over and over again.

Wrong. The argument still stands which is why I repeated it. BTW I am not for jews against jews or anything in between. Until I come here jews are the furthest thing from my mind.

Now I could just be lying, except if you go look at my previous posts in other threads where my position on this jew vs pal thing is let them kill each other, stop sending them money, we have our own issues to deal with.

Thing is, the shyt y'all complain about is all a big joke. "Boo hoo the jew is making me watch porn, making me a mindless consumer, making my daughter a whore". No, y'all do those things to yourself just fine.

[Gainzzz]

Wrong. The argument still stands which is why I repeated it. BTW I am not fir jews against jews or anything in between. Until I come here jews are the furthest thing from my mind.

Now I could just be lying, except if you go look at my previous posts in other threads where my position on this jew vs pal thing is let them kill each other, stop sending them money, we have our own issues to deal with.

Thing is, the shyt y'all complain about is all a big joke. "Boo hoo the jew is making me watch porn, making me a mindless consumer, making my daughter a whore". No, y'all do those things to yourself just fine.

How can the argument still stand when no one is arguing that Jews are inferior? They may be inferior physically or morally but that has nothing to do with your argument about them "beating the white man" or whatever. They are masters at trickery and gaining/using power.

Again, we have been over these other arguments.

How can you blame men who have been raised on JEWISH ideas such as feminism, porn, self-hatred, anti-whiteness, anti-masculinity, multiculturalism, etc? A huge amount of men in the West are totally lost and demoralized which is why suicide rates are through the roof. The societies that their ancestors built no longer exist.

I agree that personal responsibility is important but most people are total NPCs and that's what Jews/globalists count on to control society.

It makes much more sense to blame the creators and pushers of these ideas than the individuals who have been mindphucked for decades through education, entertainment, and the media.

[Godfrd824]

How can the argument still stand when no one is arguing that Jews are inferior? They may be inferior physically or morally but that has nothing to do with your argument about them "beating the white man" or whatever. They are masters at trickery and gaining/using power.

This is what you're saying. And it seems even you are drinking the coolaide, "they may be inferior physically or morally". I can find 10 posts from within the last hour alluding to the fact that Jews are "inferior". I find that funny. There's no such thing as "physically" inferior. The myth that the ugly kid is smart while the jock is dumb is just that.

Again, we have been over these other arguments.

How can you blame men who have been raised on JEWISH ideas such as feminism, porn, self-hatred, anti-whiteness, anti-masculinity, multiculturalism, etc? A huge amount of men in the West are totally lost and demoralized which is why suicide rates are through the roof. The societies that their ancestors built no longer exist.

How old do you think I am? I grew up in the middle of "jewish" ideas, and it somehow didn't affect me at all, it didn't affect any of my siblings either somehow. Why don't we blame the real issue. Lack of fathers in the home, and not just for blacks. Sure Timmy's father may be there physically, but just standing there isn't enough to raise a child, let alone a man. I don't have social media, I don't watch porn, I don't hate anyone for any reason, especially because of their skin color, and lastly I am multicultural because I'm a first gen immigrant who is half white and half black with a bit of native thrown in there as well. And I'm successful as hell by every metric

I agree that personal responsibility is important but most people are total NPCs and that's what Jews/globalists count on to control society.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Me personally, I've taken a few pages from the jew cookbook and they have served me well.

It makes much more sense to blame the creators and pushers of these ideas than the individuals who have been mindphucked for decades through education, entertainment, and the media.

This is America, you are free to do what you want, so is everyone else. If you want "freedom" with limits so that you don't hurt yourself, move to Europe.

There you go.

[Gainzzz]

There you go.

Ah yes, focus on the part where I said they MAY BE inferior in some ways (that are irrelevant to your argument) but ignore the part that ends your retarded attempted gotcha about them being "inferior" while "beating the white man", you pathetic faggot. You are EXACTLY like BullittCUCK.

Oh wow it didn't affect you, that must mean we should ignore the absolute devastation Jews have brought to society.

I gave you a chance but there truly is no point in arguing with retarded Jewish cock gobblers.

[jackamo2887]

I have nothing against jews.

I think israel is evil though

[Godfrd824]

Ah yes, focus on the part where I said they MAY BE inferior in some ways (that are irrelevant to your argument) but ignore the part that ends your retarded attempted gotcha about them being "inferior" while "beating the white man", you pathetic faggot. You are EXACTLY like BullittCUCK.

Oh wow it didn't affect you, that must mean we should ignore the absolute devastation Jews have brought to society.

I gave you a chance but there truly is no point in arguing with retarded Jewish cock gobblers.

Can't call them inferior if they're giving you the business over and over. And I wasn't singling you out. I said it in general and added that you're doing the same thing.

The point of it not affecting me went over your head it seems. Let me explain. If everyone focused on themselves and did the right thing for themselves and their children, there's no way any outside force could indoctrinate them. That's why it didn't affect any of my siblings or myself, because my parents took an active role in raising us.

Call me what you want, it doesn't affect me, but you seem real triggered.

Imagine what you could achieve if you stopped blaming others for your failures and instead put in a little work. Suddenly the big bad jew may not be an issue anymore.

[Gainzzz]

Can't call them inferior if they're giving you the business over and over. And I wasn't singling you out. I said it in general and added that you're doing the same thing.

The point of it not affecting me went over your head it seems. Let me explain. If everyone focused on themselves and did the right thing for themselves and their children, there's no way any outside force could indoctrinate them. That's why it didn't affect any of my siblings or myself, because my parents took an active role in raising us.

Call me what you want, it doesn't affect me, but you seem real triggered.

Imagine what you could achieve if you stopped blaming others for your failures and instead put in a little work. Suddenly the big bad jew may not be an issue anymore.

Embarrassingly dumb

It's BullittCUCK v2

[jackamo2887]

Ah yes, focus on the part where I said they MAY BE inferior in some ways (that are irrelevant to your argument) but ignore the part that ends your retarded attempted gotcha about them being "inferior" while "beating the white man", you pathetic faggot. You are EXACTLY like BullittCUCK.

Oh wow it didn't affect you, that must mean we should ignore the absolute devastation Jews have brought to society.

I gave you a chance but there truly is no point in arguing with retarded Jewish cock gobblers.

Aren't you fuking unemployed and living in your car? Lmao

[Gainzzz]

Aren't you fuking unemployed and living in your car? Lmao

lolwot

Clearly got me confused with someone else

All that Ukrainian cum is getting to you

[jackamo2887]

lolwot

Clearly got me confused with someone else

All that Ukrainian cum is getting to you

My fault, I apologize. You just give off that homeless retarded person vibe is all.

[Gainzzz]

My fault, I apologize. You just give off that homeless retarded person vibe is all.

wow good one

Slava Ukraini

[BullittEV]

I hope I'm not reading too much into things but I get the sense that Chang is a little disgruntled. You doing ok man? I'll pray for you tommorow at temple.

Lol

I don't support any cuckservative/Demoncrat movements, and I sure as hell don't support Trump

I am opposed to the system which includes demoncrats/trump/cuckservatives, who all do the bidding of their jew string pullers.

Why would anyone be America first? America is against everything good in the world and is the number one exporter/creator/promoter of every evil.

Alright, so why live here? Dont you enjoy the fact that the USA gives you legitimate freedoms versus the rest of the world?

Forgot, this ****ing guy wants a return to a monarchy or a Fascist state.....

Yeah, dont understand why someone would live here if they enjoy a socialist society.. Europe has plenty of places closer to it.

OP, FWIW I disagree with giving literal Nazis a platform for free speech. Free speech needs to have reasonable limits. Hate speech that practically equates to terrorism needs to be curtailed for good reasons.

Germany, for example, doesn't allow for Nazi freedom of speech. It's a limit on free speech, but so is being unable to make bomb jokes at an airport or yell fire in a crowded theatre if there's no fire.

Why should we do this? A concept called the Paradox of Tolerance:

"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance."


You might say that Nazism is so absurd, transparently ridiculous and false and evil and self-defeating that it couldn't possibly motivate anyone in today's age to seriously adopt it and act on it. But the behaviour of a right-wing faction over recent years has definitely shown otherwise.


Free speech can stupefy instead of educate and it can imprison people in echo chambers with no exposure to alternate ideas. Just look at XterraRob's nerd forum, it's literally a gated community that pelts anyone with a different opinion with a fusillade of chicken nuggets upon arrival. In the name of supposed free speech.

Nazism desires the literal genocide of undesirables. It often starts with their arguments communicated in a way that makes you think it wouldn't end in violence, but that's the danger of it. Hitler himself went through a progression of simple ideas and theories to outright violence.

Non-violent Nazi is an oxymoron and terrorism cannot be protected as free speech.

I'm a free speech absolutionist. Allow the bad ideas to die the right way.

Don't try to equate this trash to me. And grow some balls and go off on this clown.

Fair enough.

I've expressed some of my views on this with you already. This response isn't meant to answer for anyone else or be hostile, but rather to completely answer all three of your questions from my point of view.

1. I see posting about the left- "leftists" and "democrats." Could you please explain why you criticize political groups (mostly see the left) in the USA if at the core you believe both the left and right are part of the parasitic jew system? Shouldnt you just be blaming jews in that situation if thats what you truly believed?

I mostly point out the Jews, and in most debates on here and IRL I point out that the Jew controlled media/education/finance system is only half of the equation, and that the right (or more appropriately, the GOP) enables them by funneling endless aid money and resources into Israel. I place more blame on the left however because they are the ones enacting globohomo policy in the US, and some of them actually believe in it at this point so the problem isn't only Jews. Plus there are some on the right who do not support Israel.

2. If youre America First, why is there barely any criticism of Hamas or other anti-American countries? Shouldnt we be in agreement that we allow the middle easterners to fight it out without outside support? The US provides aid to both sides. (I will say we are much more biased to Israel but that's a different topic of economic liberalism IMO)

I am definitely in agreement with that, and this is something we've talked about before so you already know my position here. I definitely say fukk them both (or all, as there are several ME groups/countries that hate us) and let them fight it out. Pull aid from every country in that region, and Ukraine as well even though that's not really related here.

3. How are you in such support of President Trump, who is more pro-Israel than I'd even like, if he is the antithesis of your ideology?

Another one we've talked about, but I'll expand. Trump is lesser of two evils at this point. Yes he's giving money and support to the enemy, but Biden is letting a different kind of enemy into the country. At present I think it's more important to tap into our own energy resources and stop the floodgates at the southern border before it's too late. I mean as a result of that we're already seeing middle easterners smuggling themselves into the US via the southern border, as well as Chinese nationalists and many other potential threats. Our immediate physical safety is in jeopardy. If there were a candidate who would lock down the border and cut off aid to Israel and Palestine and Saudi and Ukraine, I would vote for that candidate.

At present I choose to pick the candidate who is better for our homefront physical safety and for the prices of everything and continue to grow awareness of the threat of globohomo/clownworld and get people to follow the money and see where that comes from (Jews) so that we can finally eventually get a candidate to stand up for actual Americans first and against foreign and Jewish supremacist interests. Maybe that's the wrong choice, and time will tell on that, but right now it feels like the right choice.

Ok cool so we can agree on #2. You must understand how I am confused by blaming jews for everything yet playing the left/right dichotomy at all. I am having trouble thinking I would take a side if I thought both were the same.. it sounds like you do agree that the left and right are different, though.

Appreciate the responses.

I have nothing against jews.

I think israel is evil though

Kind of agree- I'm not there yet- we've been savages all throughout history killing each other so if two countries want to kill each other, have at it. As far as Israel being evil.. could you elaborate?

[jackamo2887]

Lol



Alright, so why live here? Dont you enjoy the fact that the USA gives you legitimate freedoms versus the rest of the world?



Yeah, dont understand why someone would live here if they enjoy a socialist society.. Europe has plenty of places closer to it.



I'm a free speech absolutionist. Allow the bad ideas to die the right way.



Fair enough.



Ok cool so we can agree on #2. You must understand how I am confused by blaming jews for everything yet playing the left/right dichotomy at all. I am having trouble thinking I would take a side if I thought both were the same.. it sounds like you do agree that the left and right are different, though.

Appreciate the responses.



Kind of agree- I'm not there yet- we've been savages all throughout history killing each other so if two countries want to kill each other, have at it. As far as Israel being evil.. could you elaborate?

Well they lobby their way into getting billions of dollars from US taxpayers, they steal our technology and sell it to China*, they contributed nothing to the war on terror in Afghanistan but wine like bitches if we don't support them.

Gaza is a highly urban area and hamas is hiding among civilians. They're bombing civilian areas to kill Hamas and to prevent losses in the IDF. This is coward ****. Soldiers, including those in the IDF accept the risk that they may die in war. Sacrificing civilians to save yourself is evil.



https://www.military.com/defensetech...ology-to-china

[Xtermin8fascist]

Free speech absolutists never defeat disinformation or nazism. It is easier to sell people on lies and to flood the marketplace of ideas with BS. It is why scientific journals have referees, and why a rigorous PhD program is required before anyone gives a chit what you write. It's why forums have moderators. Mr. Free speech absolutist clearly isn't one. He is just a nazi sympathizer.

If you truly had a free speech zone, it would be flooded with bullchit, advertisements, and misinformation. America has never had real free speech because free speech is an illusion. There are and always have been limits to it. There are laws against defamation, threats, and incitement. In some cases, you can be held criminally liable for instructions that promote harm. There are limits.

[BigElephant]

Ok cool so we can agree on #2. You must understand how I am confused by blaming jews for everything yet playing the left/right dichotomy at all. I am having trouble thinking I would take a side if I thought both were the same.. it sounds like you do agree that the left and right are different, though.

Appreciate the responses.

Thanks, and I appreciate the comment. FWIW I called you out in the thread about political/religious disagreements escalating to namecalling as an example of someone who can be civil and respectful despite (sometimes very big) disagreements.

[Islandboyo]

Alright, so why live here? Dont you enjoy the fact that the USA gives you legitimate freedoms versus the rest of the world?

1. I live here because this is the country I was born into, why shouldn't I live here?

2. What freedoms has the US given me that the rest of the world couldn't? And even if I do enjoy the "freedoms" I have here, what exactly does that have to do with anything?

[Xtermin8fascist]

Thanks, and I appreciate the comment. FWIW I called you out in the thread about political/religious disagreements escalating to namecalling as an example of someone who can be civil and respectful despite (sometimes very big) disagreements.

You are the most civil nazi on this board. I would spare you. I don't get the impression you actually would personally murder people. But I do think you would passively allow it.