NoFap thread srs - Finally breaking this

[MotorCityCobra]

Porn is cancer for ur brain

[artdecade]

Porn is cancer for ur brain

Amen to that bro

[Cleveland33]

Amen to that bro

so tell me about the relationship issues you've experienced due to porn

[artdecade]

so tell me about the relationship issues you've experienced due to porn

Previous response bro, recommend you check out ybop if you're worried about youre own use 👍

Brah no offense but not really feeling this sorta convo with you. Either you understand the point about desensitisation from porn addiction or you don't, can't keep going over this

Just leave it at this, it's pretty simple. I meet all the criteria for porn addiction and have the standard symptoms of a porn addict. I'm going to quit for 3-6 months to test and then make a judgement.

You clearly have your doubts. Fair enough. You don't need to do it, you feel you have a healthy relationship with porn and I accept that


Nuff said

[Cleveland33]

Previous response bro, recommend you check out ybop if you're worried about youre own use ������

why can't you provide some details about what happened to you? that's typically what people would do if they were trying to spread the word about addiction.

[Cleveland33]

Day 42 - six weeks boyos

Ended up feeling really flat last night. Had a 2nd interview for this job after work and it didn't go amazingly well. Said they'd tell me on Monday. Tbh not sure I want it that much anymore, thinking of moving back to my hometown to refresh and then try somewhere new.

Evenings like yesterday are when I would normally run to pmo for numbness. It allowed me to fully escape pain or disappointment and live this fantasy world where I was exactly who I wanted to be and had my own harem. Instead last night I just had to sit with and confront the sadness and boredom. Played my guitar a bit and that was about it.

Loneliness is really painful rn. Porn use definitely suppressed this for me so without it I am really craving connection and intimacy. It's not coming from this girl I was seeing as I hoped it would, doubt I'll see her again tbh and even if I do it'll just be sex. My friends are long gone, only have contact with one these days and we see each other once a month or so. I'm alone and isolated, and without the distraction offered by porn addiction. It's tough but the hope of recovery sustains me.

Have to remember the social improvements experienced yesterday though. Very encouraging and my mood was also pretty great during the actual day. Good signs that things are happening. Writing on here has been helpful to remind myself and contextualise the extent of my addiction. Interactions on here have shown me that, even among you degenerates, my use was severe and chronic which serves to reassure me that my prospect of strong improvement is high

so what are you doing to combat the loneliness? Specifically. Because if you aren't addressing that, you are likely going to fall back into old habits

[artdecade]

why can't you provide some details about what happened to you? that's typically what people would do if they were trying to spread the word about addiction.

Already have done brah, someone else wants to ask i'll answer but I can't keep going in circles with someone who doesn't understand desensitisation. Can see where it will lead lmoa you're just gonna say "But you don't know if it's pron, it could be chronic masturbation, other chit etc". To which I'll say:

Just leave it at this, it's pretty simple. I meet all the criteria for porn addiction and have the standard symptoms of a porn addict. I'm going to quit for 3-6 months to test and then make a judgement.

Then we repeat this circle, it's a bit tiring

[Cleveland33]

Already have done brah, someone else wants to ask i'll answer but I can't keep going in circles with someone who doesn't understand desensitisation. Can see where it will lead lmoa you're just gonna say "But you don't know if it's pron, it could be chronic masturbation, other chit etc". To which I'll say:



Then we repeat this circle, it's a bit tiring

I didn't ask about desensitation, I asked you to explain how porn ruined a relationship you had and how it negatively impacted your friendships.

You said both happened, I would like to hear more about those areas it should be extremely helpful to some one else that might be struggling with this to identify the issues they are having.

[artdecade]

I didn't ask about desensitation, I asked you to explain how porn ruined a relationship you had and how it negatively impacted your friendships.

You said both happened, I would like to hear more about those areas it should be extremely helpful to some one else that might be struggling with this to identify the issues they are having.

Accurately explain what desensitisation is, why it happens, and what the symptoms of it are and then I'll answer your question

[artdecade]

Reading YBOP again this morning for reassurance. This part struck a chord:

Primate studies show that dominant primates have higher D2 levels than submissive primates and that these levels are fluid. Addictions, for example, lower primates to submissive D2 levels. Consider the following:

Dominant primates have higher dopamine (D2) receptors than submissive primates, but not until hierarchy is established. That is, one cannot predict in advance which primates will become dominant based on D2 receptor levels. This permits new males to rise to the occasion when a troop leader disappears. A newbie’s receptor levels rise when he assumes the throne. D2 receptor density is not innate, but rather responsive to circumstances.

When hierarchy is established, it’s not the submissive monkeys that have lower D2s, but the dominant primates that see a jump in dopamine receptors. In effect, they grow more sensitive to dopamine and are thus rewarded for being the dominant male. In humans, too, researchers observed that,

increased social status and increased social support correlated with the density of dopamine D2/D3 receptors.

Could it be that, as ex-porn users tear themselves away from their screens and socialize, their actions help support and increase their D2 receptor count and give them feelings of well being? Or does the willingness to take social risk just naturally increase as dopamine receptors rise?

And what about those pesky “beta” feelings? Given that addictions cause a decline in dopamine D2 receptors, might porn addiction be keeping some heavy users feeling less “manly” than normal? In monkeys, long-term ******* use brought all test subjects to similar D2 levels and wiped out status differences. Indeed, D2 receptors after ******* administration do not correlate with levels of D2 receptors prior to ******* administration. That is, overconsumption crashed all the monkeys equally—even the dominant ones.

D2 receptors are protective against addiction. Dominant male monkeys in a social group have higher D2s and are less likely to imbibe *******. The protective effects of higher D2s have been duplicated in human studies. Can we rule out the possibility that heavy porn use at a young age leads to a cycle of lower D2s, followed by increased use and further D2 declines?

Not all monkeys recover from the effects of addiction in the same timeframe. After 3 months, 60 percent of the addicted monkeys had recovered their normal D2 levels. However, 40 percent had not. This may help explain the variable rate of recovery and reported benefits

At any event, mojo appears to be somewhat dependent upon normal dopamine signaling.

Recommend reading the whole article: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ybop...spective-2012/

[Cleveland33]

Accurately explain what desensitisation is, why it happens, and what the symptoms of it are and then I'll answer your question

Your brain isn't responding to the same level of stimulation and that creates the need for more and or more graphic forms

[artdecade]

Your brain isn't responding to the same level of stimulation and that creates the need for more and or more graphic forms

That's part of it but there's more needed to be accurate, specifically how desensitisation impacts areas outside addiction

[Cleveland33]

That's part of it but there's more needed to be accurate, specifically how desensitisation impacts areas outside addiction

great why don't you tell me about it and it would be really helpful if you could give specific examples of how you were desensitized

you know, personal experiences not just regurgitating some website's word salads

[Cleveland33]

also what kind of porn did you like that got you over the edge? Like what was the line for you?

[artdecade]

great why don't you tell me about it and it would be really helpful if you could give specific examples of how you were desensitized

you know, personal experiences not just regurgitating some website's word salads

Lol brah I've told you about it a million times, this is a sad attempt.

You'll get further stories about how the addiction led to loss of relationships and friendships when you:
- Accurately explain what desensitisation
- Accurately explain why desensitisation happens
- Accurately list the symptoms that are associated with desensitisation

also what kind of porn did you like that got you over the edge? Like what was the line for you?

There was no line I never felt guilty about what I watched tbh, I've got no moral issues with pron really (apart from illegal chit obvs). I'd watch anything you can think of apart from cartoon chit (never saw the interest in that). My tastes escalated to the normal chit would morph all the time, basically just went through little phases all the time

[Cleveland33]

Lol brah I've told you about it a million times, this is a sad attempt.

You'll get further stories about how the addiction led to loss of relationships and friendships when you:
- Accurately explain what desensitisation
- Accurately explain why desensitisation happens
- Accurately list the symptoms that are associated with desensitisation


There was no line I never felt guilty about what I watched tbh, I've got no moral issues with pron really (apart from illegal chit obvs). I'd watch anything you can think of apart from cartoon chit (never saw the interest in that). My tastes escalated to the normal chit would morph all the time, basically just went through little phases all the time

you're so full of chit it's not even funny

you have zero personal experiences to share

I've read your brain on porn so many times, I don't have ti all memorized cause I really don't put much stock into it and one of the primary reasons is that very few people can actually articulate specific personal experiences, it's all just textbook answers.

[Cleveland33]

Day 42 - six weeks boyos

Ended up feeling really flat last night. Had a 2nd interview for this job after work and it didn't go amazingly well. Said they'd tell me on Monday. Tbh not sure I want it that much anymore, thinking of moving back to my hometown to refresh and then try somewhere new.

Evenings like yesterday are when I would normally run to pmo for numbness. It allowed me to fully escape pain or disappointment and live this fantasy world where I was exactly who I wanted to be and had my own harem. Instead last night I just had to sit with and confront the sadness and boredom. Played my guitar a bit and that was about it.

Loneliness is really painful rn. Porn use definitely suppressed this for me so without it I am really craving connection and intimacy. It's not coming from this girl I was seeing as I hoped it would, doubt I'll see her again tbh and even if I do it'll just be sex. My friends are long gone, only have contact with one these days and we see each other once a month or so. I'm alone and isolated, and without the distraction offered by porn addiction. It's tough but the hope of recovery sustains me.

Have to remember the social improvements experienced yesterday though. Very encouraging and my mood was also pretty great during the actual day. Good signs that things are happening. Writing on here has been helpful to remind myself and contextualise the extent of my addiction. Interactions on here have shown me that, even among you degenerates, my use was severe and chronic which serves to reassure me that my prospect of strong improvement is high

you're 27 and been addicted to porn since you were like 15 I think, started at 11

your brain would be too damaged to write like this, this is copy editor writing

[artdecade]

you're so full of chit it's not even funny

you have zero personal experiences to share

I've read your brain on porn so many times, I don't have ti all memorized cause I really don't put much stock into it and one of the primary reasons is that very few people can actually articulate specific personal experiences, it's all just textbook answers.

lol brah you're a strange guy. No one's making you quit pron, go jerk off for the rest of your life no one gives a chit. Some people have an issue and want to quit. You yourself have already said you think porn addiction is a real thing so what are we really arguing about here?

you're 27 and been addicted to porn since you were like 15 I think, started at 11

your brain would be too damaged to write like this, this is copy editor writing

Thanks for the compliment mate, genuinely appreciate it. I think you're being a bit generous but imagine how good it will be when I fully recover. Stay tuned to this thread and you'll see in a few months

[Cleveland33]

lol brah you're a strange guy. No one's making you quit pron, go jerk off for the rest of your life no one gives a chit. Some people have an issue and want to quit. You yourself have already said you think porn addiction is a real thing so what are we really arguing about here?

ok I want to quit, please help me - I am struggling to identify if porn is negatively impacting my social life or my relationship - can you please provide some specific personal experiences?

[artdecade]

ok I want to quit, please help me - I am struggling to identify if porn is negatively impacting my social life or my relationship - can you please provide some specific personal experiences?

Nice try lmao

[Cleveland33]

Nice try lmao

no I am being sincere, it's a problem, I'm watching right now

[artdecade]

no I am being sincere, it's a problem, I'm watching right now

To be honest I believe you are being sincere that you have a problem, would certainly explain your odd behaviour. First step is taking responsibility for the problem yourself and not rely on someone else to save you, only you can save you. Recommend re-reading YBOP, maybe with a dictionary by your side this time, and hope it clicks.

Wish you luck

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This article, see if you can relate to any of the stories there. Should also satisfy your need to hear personal experiences:
https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rebo...rnet-porn-use/

[Cleveland33]

To be honest I believe you are being sincere that you have a problem, would certainly explain your odd behaviour. First step is taking responsibility for the problem yourself and not rely on someone else to save you, only you can save you. Recommend re-reading YBOP, maybe with a dictionary by your side this time, and hope it clicks.

Wish you luck

seriously, share some specific personal experiences it's really odd that you refuse to

[artdecade]

seriously, share some specific personal experiences it's really odd that you refuse to

Been pretty clear with this brah

You'll get further stories about how the addiction led to loss of relationships and friendships when you:
- Accurately explain what desensitisation is
- Accurately explain why desensitisation happens
- Accurately list the symptoms that are associated with desensitisation

[Cleveland33]

Been pretty clear with this brah

why are you gatekeeping this information? it's a legitimate request

[Cleveland33]

also how did you find this gay dying Indian forum anyway?

[artdecade]

why are you gatekeeping this information? it's a legitimate request

Just not worth going into it with someone who doesn't understand desensitisation. Don't take it personally but without that knowledge you're not going to be able to understand

also how did you find this gay dying Indian forum anyway?

Well I've known about it for years, it's not like this is some underground secret lol. Read some of the old NoFap threads on here and found them useful. Decided to post here, as explained earlier, because I none of the usual recovery forums I knew about were accepting new members. Plus it's good to do it outside the bubble to hopefully reach a pron addict who doesn't know they have a problem (something that I know upsets you for some reason), and helps me to be critical about my understanding ensuring I don't fall into confirmation bias.

[Cleveland33]

Just not worth going into it with someone who doesn't understand desensitisation. Don't take it personally but without that knowledge you're not going to be able to understand


Well I've known about it for years, it's not like this is some underground secret lol. Read some of the old NoFap threads on here and found them useful. Decided to post here, as explained earlier, because I none of the usual recovery forums I knew about were accepting new members. Plus it's good to do it outside the bubble to hopefully reach a pron addict who doesn't know they have a problem (something that I know upsets you for some reason), and helps me to be critical about my understanding ensuring I don't fall into confirmation bias.

you sincerely think I can't possibly understand your personal experiences?

c'mon quit copping out

[artdecade]

you sincerely think I can't possibly understand your personal experiences?

c'mon quit copping out

Yeah bro I sincerely believe that you won't understand why my personal experiences are related to my addiction unless you understand desensitisation. Call me Nostradamus but I can see exactly how the convo will go and I cba to keep going in circles with you

If you show that you understand desensitisation, why it happens and what the symptoms of it are then I'll know you have the proper framework to understand and I'll happily share.

But we appear to be at stalemate. You're not willing, or able, to do that and I'm not going to share with you until you do. So may as well leave it at that now

[Cleveland33]

Yeah bro I sincerely believe that you won't understand why my personal experiences are related to my addiction unless you understand desensitisation. Call me Nostradamus but I can see exactly how the convo will go and I cba to keep going in circles with you

If you show that you understand desensitisation, why it happens and what the symptoms of it are then I'll know you have the proper framework to understand and I'll happily share.

But we appear to be at stalemate. You're not willing, or able, to do that and I'm not going to share with you until you do. So may as well leave it at that now

ok then share some personal experiences regarding your relationships for someone else then, I am sure there are plenty of people reading this thread that do understand your terms to your desired levels