NY Times Journalist attacks leading scientists for misleading him over Covid Lab Leak

[uneducated]

The slow backpedal is very amusing.

It's OK wincel, you will eventually get to the same point where some of us were from day one.

It's also plausible the US made the virus. Or the Russians. Or aliens. Plausible is not the same as proof.

[Bushmaster]

What is the alternative? Not do research and then get caught hapless and suffer mass casualties?

The alternative would be for you and the rest of your Branch Covidians to STFU whenever somebody has the audacity to question things.

For four straight years though you all have lost your fuking minds whenever anybody didn't "trust the science"

[Bodhy]

No. I said a lab leak is plausible. I just said the evidence seems to point to natty. Nobody actually knows where this virus came from, aside from a few people at WIV, who would know whether it leaked or not. And they are saying it didn't leak, and we have no way of finding out the truth from them.

A lab leak is possible, but not plausible. Plausible means it is more likely than the counter hypothesis, right?


I mean, all the scientific evidence points towards natural origins, so that is the plausible hypothesis, yes?

[uneducated]

LMAO!!!

SO much this lol.. God help the poor bastard who suggested "the science" was anything less than perfect a couple of years ago. Oh, but now though... "There will always be fukups - that's just the way she goes" lol.

No process is 100% perfect. Every scientist will tell you that. If you have doubts, I invite you to go study science.

[gwg77]

This one is brutal. This was already on Feb 17, 2020. Remember when all those scientists published a letter in The Lancet condemning Lab Leak theory as a conspiracy, and everyone condemned Tom Cotton for calling out China?

[Anachron]

It's also plausible the US made the virus. Or the Russians. Or aliens. Plausible is not the same as proof.

One small step at a time, wincel.

I believe in you.

[Bushmaster]

No process is 100% perfect. Every scientist will tell you that. If you have doubts, I invite you to go study science.

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The alternative would be for you and the rest of your Branch Covidians to STFU whenever somebody has the audacity to question things.

For four straight years though you all have lost your fuking minds whenever anybody didn't "trust the science"

[uneducated]

A lab leak is possible, but not plausible. Plausible means it is more likely than the counter hypothesis, right?


I mean, all the scientific evidence points towards natural origins, so that is the plausible hypothesis, yes?

Yeah all published scientific evidence suggests it is natty.

But in truth, all the evidence is weak. Nobody knows where it came from, and we will probably never know. The people at WIV would know if it was a leak or not because they were there. The rest of us will be in the dark on this.

[Anachron]

Yeah all published scientific evidence suggests it is natty.

Interesting.

Are you implying that the virus being of natural origins and a lab leak are mutually exclusive?

[uneducated]

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Because you don't just not trust it. You actively attack it without reasonable alternative hypotheses and evidence. That's the thing. And what is the alternative to science? Prayer? Lmao.

If you guys can convincingly show it was a lab leak using scientific evidence, by all means, publish it and refute the existing studies.

[uneducated]

Interesting.

Are you implying that the virus being of natural origins and a lab leak are mutually exclusive?

No, they aren't logically exclusive, but the papers do not indicate a lab leak origin, and when I say natty in my posts in that context, I mean natty and not lab leak.

[Bushmaster]

No process is 100% perfect. Every scientist will tell you that. If you have doubts, I invite you to go study science.

Nah... I would rather study Algebra I in High School... like you did.

[Anachron]

Yeah all published scientific evidence suggests it is natty.

But in truth, all the evidence is weak. Nobody knows where it came from, and we will probably never know. The people at WIV would know if it was a leak or not because they were there. The rest of us will be in the dark on this.

Oh wow, a gem of a backpedal in the edit.

Just LOL @ "academics" trying to distance themselves from the extreme stances they had for the past couple of years.

[uneducated]

The alternative would be for you and the rest of your Branch Covidians to STFU whenever somebody has the audacity to question things.

For four straight years though you all have lost your fuking minds whenever anybody didn't "trust the science"

Nah. Your plan was to pray, let the virus rip, and kill as many as possible. That's dumb.

[gwg77]

Yeah and in an early email, it is possible he thought it was a lab leak and later changed his mind. The papers still make sense. It's also possible he is covering it up, and if so, he probably came to the same conclusion I did.

Which is great, but they had already decided to run with natural origins as early as Feb 3. And we see as late as Feb 21 or 25 they were still debating lab leak in private.

The bottomline is that they lied to the entire world, and had to keep doubling and tripling down after they lied so early in the process. I don't trust any of them or their work. They are all liars.

[uneducated]

Oh wow, a gem of a backpedal in the edit.

Just LOL @ "academics" trying to distance themselves from the extreme stances they had for the past couple of years.

There is no backpedal. The published scientific evidence as of today suggests a natural non lab leak origin. Period.

[Anachron]

No, they aren't logically exclusive, but the papers do not indicate a lab leak origin, and when I say natty in my posts in that context, I mean natty and not lab leak.

Interesting.

Imagine a self proclaimed academic not knowing which terms to use, and having to explain that the terms he used were not the correct ones to use.

[uneducated]

Which is great, but they had already decided to run with natural origins as early as Feb 3. And we see as late as Feb 21 or 25 they were still debating lab leak in private.

The bottomline is that they lied to the entire world, and had to keep doubling and tripling down after they lied so early in the process. I don't trust any of them or their work. They are all liars.

Ok so even if, for the sake of argument, their work isn't credible, that still doesn't bring us any closer to understanding where the virus comes from does it? You need to show convincing evidence it was a lab leak and out forth an alternative hypothesis of where it came from, etc.

[gwg77]

Oh wow, a gem of a backpedal in the edit.

Just LOL @ "academics" trying to distance themselves from the extreme stances they had for the past couple of years.

The more damning screenshots I post, the more he backpedals.

[Anachron]

There is no backpedal. The published scientific evidence as of today suggests a natural non lab leak origin. Period.

You literally just claimed that the "published scientific evidence" was weak, and that "no one really knows".

That's a backpedal from your earlier stance of "anyone who even considers a lab leak is subhuman".

It's OK wincel, there's no shame in being slow.

[Anachron]

Ok so even if, for the sake of argument, their work isn't credible, that still doesn't bring us any closer to understanding where the virus comes from does it? You need to show convincing evidence it was a lab leak and out forth an alternative hypothesis of where it came from, etc.

It came from WIV. There's no other similar facility nearby...

[uneducated]

Interesting.

Imagine a self proclaimed academic not knowing which terms to use, and having to explain that the terms he used were not the correct ones to use.

If you want a technical discussion on virology, you're gonna want to talk to a professional virologist, broseph. My expertise is in math, and my mobio undergrad isn't going to make me an expert on this. Most of the experts are saying it is of natural origin. You've all seen the papers. The detractors have no papers showing it is a lab leak. Conclude from that what you will.

[gwg77]

There is no backpedal. The published scientific evidence as of today suggests a natural non lab leak origin. Period.

Those Worobey/Andersen wet market papers were pretty much garbage.

[uneducated]

It came from WIV. There's no other similar facility nearby...

I mean, isn't it also possible it came from bats they were studying and then leaked from WIV? Or is it manmade by modifying bat viruses? There are a lot of different varieties of lab leak hypotheses.

[uneducated]

Those Worobey/Andersen wet market papers were pretty much garbage.

And as I said, even if that were true, that just brings us to 0. It doesn't move us any closer to knowing where it came from.

[Anachron]

If you want a technical discussion on virology, yoi're gonna want to talk to a professional virologist, broseph. My expertise is in math, and my mobio undergrad isn't going to make me an expert on this. Most of the experts are saying it is of natural origin. You've all seen the papers. The detractors have no papers showing it is a lab leak. Conclude from that what you will.

It takes character to admit that you don't know what you're talking about - maybe there is hope for you, wincel.

It doesn't mean that everyone forgets the stances you previously took, but it is a start.

The backpedaling is still entertaining though.

[uneducated]

You literally just claimed that the "published scientific evidence" was weak, and that "no one really knows".

That's a backpedal from your earlier stance of "anyone who even considers a lab leak is subhuman".

It's OK wincel, there's no shame in being slow.

No. My position was antivaxxers are subhuman. And also people who malign China after they gave us the sequence and told us it was airborne. They went way beyond what they would be expected to do to help.

Imagine if it WASN'T a lab leak, and the Chinese went out of their way to help us, and we reacted like this.

[Anachron]

I mean, isn't it also possible it came from bats they were studying and then leaked from WIV? Or is it manmade by modifying bat viruses? There are a lot of different varieties of lab leak hypotheses.

And if someone posted the bolded a couple years ago, you would have called them "retarded"... Wait, I am pretty sure you actually did exactly that.

Also, see post #39 - do try to keep up, wincel.

[Anachron]

No. My position was antivaxxers are subhuman. And also people who malign China after they gave us the sequence and told us it was airborne. They went way beyond what they would be expected to do to help.

Imagine if it WASN'T a lab leak, and the Chinese went out of their way to help us, and we reacted like this.

No, your position was that anyone who questioned the official narrative was a "antivaxxer", which in turn makes them "subhuman".

Just like how nowadays, anyone who doesn't agree with you 100% on everything is a "nazi".

[uneducated]

The more damning screenshots I post, the more he backpedals.

If you can show me it is a lab leak, I'll agree with you. I'm not unreasonable.