First Do No Harm(except when it comes to transgendered people)

[Dave22reborn]

And that makes sense. But most who transition also do not regret it. Transitioning is an extreme option for extreme cases. Suicidality does change overall with GAC being available.

Why does Ellen Paige look so miserable?

[Dave22reborn]

But the majority of American medical associations still stand by GAC. It's not just that one scientist.

You're not considering the hypothetical that I asked. It isn't an appeal to emotion. The goal is for you to develop some degree of understanding for where these parents are coming from. It is interesting you refused to consider and answer the question.

So the rest of the world is wrong in their thinking, and the US is right?

[Dave22reborn]

Posts like this are why reasoned debate is so difficult here. How do the mods expect me to respond to this troglodyte? Notice that he doesn't even know the difference between "for" and "far". Imagine being 63 freaking years old and acting like this.

Back to the nursing home, boomer.

Clearly the left hasn't done a great job "canceling" bigots since there is still so much rampant bigotry and transphobia out there, including those cases listed in this:

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/09/12/...communities-us

But I am sure you are the real victims...

Don't engage in risky behaviors, and you'll probably live a long life.

[Dave22reborn]

Not only has he not told on him, he repeatedly says that wincel is one of the most reasonable posters around.

Because they bonded over trannies. Same with Patty.

Whats hilarious thought, is that both Patty and Bodhy will use homosexuality as an insult, but being into women with dicks, shooting semen isn't gay......

[J.L.C.]

So the rest of the world is wrong in their thinking, and the US is right?

Many countries support GAC as the standard of care.

There's more to GAC than hormones and surgeries.

[Dave22reborn]

Many countries support GAC as the standard of care.

There's more to GAC than hormones and surgeries.

So no hormones or surgery for those under 18, throughout the rest of the world is a bad thing?

[J.L.C.]

So no hormones or surgery for those under 18, throughout the rest of the world is a bad thing?

Wat?

[Anachron]

I just want to recognize that J.L.C., unlike many of the other posters present ITT, has not resorted to insults and/or telling people to kill themselves.

I know that specific bar seems very low, but sadly, it looks like that's what could be considered commendable on the misc.

[J.L.C.]

"What are the criteria for use of puberty blockers?

In most cases, to begin using puberty blockers, an individual needs to:

- Show a lasting pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria.

- Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty.

- Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with the treatment.

- Be able to understand the treatment and agree to have it. This is called informed consent.

-Puberty blockers are not recommended for children who have not started puberty.

In most cases, youth aren't old enough to get medical treatment without a parent, guardian or other caregiver's permission. This is called medical consent. For those who haven't reached the age of medical consent, a parent, guardian or caregiver often needs to agree to the use of puberty blockers. Parent and family support and encouragement also has been shown to be an important part of boosting mental health and well-being throughout this treatment."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20459075


My understanding is that the OP says the above is not what's happening.

Imo, there should be an investigation of (inexperienced/untrained) professionals who are not following standards of care nor obtaining consent.

[Dave22reborn]

"What are the criteria for use of puberty blockers?

In most cases, to begin using puberty blockers, an individual needs to:

- Show a lasting pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria.

- Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty.

- Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with the treatment.

- Be able to understand the treatment and agree to have it. This is called informed consent.

-Puberty blockers are not recommended for children who have not started puberty.

In most cases, youth aren't old enough to get medical treatment without a parent, guardian or other caregiver's permission. This is called medical consent. For those who haven't reached the age of medical consent, a parent, guardian or caregiver often needs to agree to the use of puberty blockers. Parent and family support and encouragement also has been shown to be an important part of boosting mental health and well-being throughout this treatment."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20459075


My understanding is that the OP says the above is not what's happening.

Imo, there should be an investigation of (inexperienced/untrained) professionals who are not following standards of care nor obtaining consent.

Be nine years old, and get parental permission, to sterilize a child......

[J.L.C.]

Be nine years old, and get parental permission, to sterilize a child......

It looks like consent is also to be obtained from the patient.

Where do you see the word sterilize?

[Dave22reborn]

It looks like consent is also to be obtained from the patient.

Where do you see the word sterilize?

Riiiight, taking puberty blockers as a nine year old, and throughout your teens won't lead to sterilization......

[J.L.C.]

Riiiight, taking puberty blockers as a nine year old, and throughout your teens won't lead to sterilization......

Where do you see throughout teens as the course of treatment?

Although GnRH analogues are not known to cause permanent gonadal damage, cross-sex hormones (estrogen and testosterone) do impact fertility.

[uneducated]

One point of note about puberty blockers and certain hormones is that the logic is they are largely reversible. If an mtf trans person takes them, they can avoid surgery for things like Adam's apples and facial surgery and breast augmentation. A lot of trans avoid genital surgery. So part of the rationale is to obviate irreversible and potentially dangerous surgeries and minimize risk to the patient.

[uneducated]

Why does Ellen Paige look so miserable?

I wonder if constant bullying by people like you might have an effect. When he was an attractive woman, people like you sexually harassed her, and now, as a man, people mock and bully him. But he says he is now his true self. And that's fine with me.

[Dave22reborn]

I wonder if constant bullying by people like you might have an effect. When he was an attractive woman, people like you sexually harassed her, and now, as a man, people mock and bully him. But he says he is now his true self. And that's fine with me.

Riiiight, must be the bullying, that "he's" allegedly receiving.

Also, why did "he" get fake abs?

[Dave22reborn]

One point of note about puberty blockers and certain hormones is that the logic is they are largely reversible. If an mtf trans person takes them, they can avoid surgery for things like Adam's apples and facial surgery and breast augmentation. A lot of trans avoid genital surgery. So part of the rationale is to obviate irreversible and potentially dangerous surgeries and minimize risk to the patient.

Riiiight, a woman taking test won't have permanent side effects. Wincel, you never fail to entertain us.

[uneducated]

Riiiight, must be the bullying, that "he's" allegedly receiving.

Also, why did "he" get fake abs?

LMAO what does that have to do with anything?

[uneducated]

Riiiight, a woman taking test won't have permanent side effects. Wincel, you never fail to entertain us.

You have it backwards. I was talking about mtf taking blockers. A woman taking testosterone has some irreversible effects. But I believe 3/4 of trans people are mtf. And for ftm, a lot of them are simply okay with getting a haircut and wearing guy clothes. They can pass for a twink guy pretty easily if they take blockers.

[Dave22reborn]

LMAO what does that have to do with anything?

Also, "his" career is over, because the only roles "he'll" ever get, is tranny roles.

Also, he's technically now a manlet, that has to suck.

[Dave22reborn]

You have it backwards. I was talking about mtf taking blockers. A woman taking testosterone has some irreversible effects. But I believe 3/4 of trans people are mtf. And for ftm, a lot of them are simply okay with getting a haircut and wearing guy clothes. They can pass for a twink guy pretty easily.

A man taking a **** ton of estrogen, isn't going to suffer permanent side effects?

[uneducated]

A man taking a **** ton of estrogen, isn't going to suffer permanent side effects?

I don't think you understand what a blocker is. Gonadotropin releasing hormone agonists effectively prevent gonadotropins from having their usual effects, meaning a reduction in estrogen and testosterone levels.

[uneducated]

Also, "his" career is over, because the only roles "he'll" ever get, is tranny roles.

Also, he's technically now a manlet, that has to suck.

Let's see what he has to say about it.



There you have it, Dave.

[Dave22reborn]

I don't think you understand what a blocker is. Gonadotropin releasing hormone agonists effectively prevent gonadotropins from having their usual effects, meaning a reduction in estrogen and testosterone levels.

So being on that **** for years is totally fine?

Also......

Ellen Page Tearfully Talks About Jussie Smollett and Current State of the World

https://www.etonline.com/ellen-page-...e-world-118641

What a dumb bitch, falling for an obvious hoax. In fact, majority of Dems and Leftists fell for it as well.

[Dave22reborn]

Let's see what he has to say about it.



There you have it, Dave.

Damn, and what else is "he" qualified to do, if he's not acting in movies? And even in that interview, "he" just looks so rough, probably on numerous drugs, not sleeping, not eating right. Just wait till menopause hits.

[uneducated]

So being on that **** for years is totally fine?

Also......

Ellen Page Tearfully Talks About Jussie Smollett and Current State of the World

https://www.etonline.com/ellen-page-...e-world-118641

What a dumb bitch, falling for an obvious hoax. In fact, majority of Dems and Leftists fell for it as well.

A puberty blocker? Generally, yeah. Once off it, you will start developing secondary sex characteristics like normal. It's ironic seeing bodybuilders complain about trans folks when both are very similar. If you take hormones, you are doing similar things.

LMAO and what does that hoax have to do with anything? You're just an incoherent stream of consciousness, Dave. You're so consumed by rage at trans people that you can't even organize your thoughts.

[uneducated]

Damn, and what else is "he" qualified to do, if he's not acting in movies? And even in that interview, "he" just looks so rough, probably on numerous drugs, not sleeping, not eating right. Just wait till menopause hits.

I am sure he is rich enough to become an investor or a transgender advocate. He seems to be doing fine financially.

[Dave22reborn]

I am sure he is rich enough to become an investor or a transgender advocate. He seems to be doing fine financially.

So it has a net worth of 8 million dollars, it's celebrated, and looks more miserable than ever. Also single for some reason, it's tough being a guy, especially a short guy.

[uneducated]

So it has a net worth of 8 million dollars, it's celebrated, and looks more miserable than ever. Also single for some reason, it's tough being a guy, especially a short guy.

Amazing how you have such an opinion and judgment over his life. Have you ever met him? How is his gender identity your business, Dave?

[Bushmaster]

Amazing how you have such an opinion and judgment over his life. Have you ever met him? How is his gender identity your business, Dave?

God damn but wincel loves him some trannies!

A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc... but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!

I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.