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    If Darwin's theory of evolution is legit then answer me this question

    Why is there no ape/chimp that's between a human and a chimpanzee in terms of intellect and 'smart' capabilities?

    Why are humans the only form of life capable of intelligence.

    I'll tell you why, evolution requires more blind faith than christianity - not to mention that it centres around false beliefs.
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    because it's not true

    they've never found "the missing link".

    In fact majority of their "bones" are all made up and fake.

    Just like the "dinosaur" hoax. A bunch of geeks with degrees pretend they find "fossils" so they get more money funding and their 5 seconds of fame.

    All of it is fake.
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    Originally Posted by MarioMiami305 View Post
    because it's not true

    they've never found "the missing link".

    In fact majority of their "bones" are all made up and fake.

    Just like the "dinosaur" hoax. A bunch of geeks with degrees pretend they find "fossils" so they get more money funding and their 5 seconds of fame.

    All of it is fake.
    Last time that I looked into it, no one has ever recovered any actual dinosaur bones, all the skeletons are man made

    What I find most hilarious about this is that the most competent of mankind in terms of intellect fell for something that a bunch of low IQ relegious zealots can see through
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    Last time that I looked into it, no one has ever recovered any actual dinosaur bones, all the skeletons are man made
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars

    yea, the "Bone Wars"

    Two fake nerds trying to one up each other with fake bones LOL.

    Basically all that dinosaur bones are all fake and made up. And there is a lot of politics involved in it.

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    Originally Posted by MarioMiami305 View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars

    yea, the "Bone Wars"

    Two fake nerds trying to one up each other with fake bones LOL.

    Basically all that dinosaur bones are all fake and made up. And there is a lot of politics involved in it.

    https://nautil.us/how-american-tycoo...nosaur-237532/
    yet people always ask why there's no mention of dinosaurs in the bible - evolution and dinosaurs are just weapons used to destroy the Genesis narrative
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    yet people always ask why there's no mention of dinosaurs in the bible - evolution and dinosaurs are just weapons used to destroy the Genesis narrative
    yea owen benjamin talks about it....might wanna listen

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    No OP, evolution is one of the most well attested theories in human history.


    Your notion of half-human/half apes, at least in terms of intelligence and such, sounds like it's presuming a linear view of evolution. Evolution isn't linear, it's tree-ish. We don't come from monkeys and chimps and apes, we share a common ancestor. We're two branches that came from an earlier, thicker branch, which came from millions of other thicker branches.

    Some of these common ancestors went onto become monkeys, others apes, others us. Plus, we fit in the group known as Homininae which includes chimpanzees and humans. Compared to other apes, chimpanzees might even be said to be half ape, half-human creatures.

    There were actually intermediaries in intelligence between us and apes and chimps etc. We're the only surviving species of Homo left. Neanderthals, Denosivans, Homo Erectus, Heidelbergensis. We're more intelligent than them and outcompeted them for resources.



    And top of all that, you have Nazi miscers who actually believe these species still walk amongst us.
    Back off, Warchild.

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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    Why is there no ape/chimp that's between a human and a chimpanzee in terms of intellect and 'smart' capabilities?

    Why are humans the only form of life capable of intelligence.

    I'll tell you why, evolution requires more blind faith than christianity - not to mention that it centres around false beliefs.
    Think about your argument. Lets say that there were an ape/chimp between a chimpanzee in terms of intellect. Lets call this ape "smart chimp". You could still just say "why aren't there something between smart chimps and humans?"

    To answer your question more directly:

    - Humans aren't the only form of life capable of intelligence. There are many animals smarter than many humans, including great apes, whales and Orcas to name a few. Also birds and canines can be highly intelligent.

    - The most obvious reason I can think of for the lack of other animals approximating our intelligence is (1) cross breeding, i.e. humans are a result of different "species" breeding, thus mixing their genetics. Remember that "race", "species" etc. at its core are just terms given by scientists to better understand nature. Its us humans putting things in boxes, this doesn't necessarily happen in nature. (2) Other intelligent species could go extinct by losing out to humans. Remember that while humans are very intelligent and thus strong in numbers, we are very physically weak compared to apex predators like lions and tigers. We are also weak to the elements like cold etc. Its obviously likely that other species close to humans would face a lot of the same issues.

    Anyways, if you really cared you would probably read some wikipedia articles that explains your questions thoroughly. But creationists aren't exactly known for their curiosity and openness, hehe.
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    FYI I believed in evolution for decade and a half - I even have a bachelor degree in science, so I've done all of the science experiments where you splice genes into bacteria and am quite familiar with 'conserved regions of DNA' and other so called 'proofs of evolution' and 'common ancestry' yada yada.

    Now that I think about it more critically, it just doesn't make sense that human beings are the only creature to have evolved higher cognitive functions such as metacognition, if evolution is real.

    I can honestly say that believing in evolution requires more blind faith than believing that we were created by a supreme being that resides in a higher plane of existence.
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    Chimps actually beat humans on certain game theory tasks (https://www.science.org/content/arti...ns-game-theory) which requires the ability to reason strategically.

    There's also evidence that chimps have a theory of mind, and the ability to plan ahead.

    Just because they think differently, does not mean they aren't thinking.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    Chimps actually beat humans on certain game theory tasks (https://www.science.org/content/arti...ns-game-theory) which requires the ability to reason strategically.

    There's also evidence that chimps have a theory of mind, and the ability to plan ahead.

    Just because they think differently, does not mean they aren't thinking.
    Chimps don't think like humans - the proof in their lack of intellect is their inability to build houses and harness electricity.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    Chimps don't think like humans - the proof in their lack of intellect is their inability to build houses and harness electricity.
    I doubt it's "intelligence" that made humans so successfull, tbh. Neanderthals seem to have been at least as intelligent as us. I'd suspect that whatever made humans capable of consistent cooperation in groups of people beyond close relatives is what made us the dominant species on the planet.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    FYI I believed in evolution for decade and a half - I even have a bachelor degree in science, so I've done all of the science experiments where you splice genes into bacteria and am quite familiar with 'conserved regions of DNA' and other so called 'proofs of evolution' and 'common ancestry' yada yada.

    Now that I think about it more critically, it just doesn't make sense that human beings are the only creature to have evolved higher cognitive functions such as metacognition, if evolution is real.

    I can honestly say that believing in evolution requires more blind faith than believing that we were created by a supreme being that resides in a higher plane of existence.

    What evidence is missing, to support the theory of evolution? You are also mistaken about metacognition being a human only trait, this is a phenomenon that comes in degrees. Apes, crows, various sea creatures like dolphins, octopi etc. show metacognitive ability.


    And whilst our intelligence is light years beyond anything else, it's no mystery to explain via evolution.
    Back off, Warchild.

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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    I doubt it's "intelligence" that made humans so successfull, tbh. Neanderthals seem to have been at least as intelligent as us. I'd suspect that whatever made humans capable of cooperating succesfully in groups of people beyond close relatives is what made us the dominant species on the planet.
    You should listen to your self - you sound ridiculous.

    Animals are intelligent and are filled with intelligence, but they have nothing on the human being in terms of intellect and higher cognitive functions.

    This intelligence allows humans to manipulate their environment to their own advantage in very very complex ways - hence why there's skyscrapers powered by nuclear reactors in most modern cities.

    Sure some humans are still living in mudhuts and don't have as much intelligence as other humans, but they're still human beings and of the same species and can reproduce with one another.

    Don't give me the 'animals are smarter than you think' crap - yeah they're smart because they can sense when you're about to kill it and run, like a women can sense that a man is a creep, but that is not the same as being able to build an advanced society.
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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    What evidence is missing, to support the theory of evolution? You are also mistaken about metacognition being a human only trait, this is a phenomenon that comes in degrees. Apes, crows, various sea creatures like dolphins, octopi etc. show metacognitive ability.


    And whilst our intelligence is light years beyond anything else, it's no mystery to explain via evolution.
    Another creature as smart as a human being but not a human being.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    You should listen to your self - you sound ridiculous.

    Animals are intelligent and are filled with intelligence, but they have nothing on human beings in terms of intellect and higher cognitive functions.

    Intelligence allows humans to manipulate their environment to their own advantage - hence why there's skyscrapers powered by nuclear reactors.

    Sure some humans are still living in huts and don't have as much intelligence as other humans, but they're still human beings and of the same species
    To me, you sound ridiculous. You just sound very confident, but that's just noise to me. Creationists always sound confident with little substance, and somehow still manage to win people over.

    I didn't see the point of trying to convince you about evolution as other posters started trying to do as I have wasted too much time debating creationists on that in the past. There's just really no point, their mind is made up.

    So instead I started correcting other flaws in your reasoning/premises that you'd maybe be open to adjusting. But seems like that was pointless as well.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    You should listen to your self - you sound ridiculous.

    Animals are intelligent and are filled with intelligence, but they have nothing on the human being in terms of intellect and higher cognitive functions.

    This intelligence allows humans to manipulate their environment to their own advantage in very very complex ways - hence why there's skyscrapers powered by nuclear reactors in most modern cities.

    Sure some humans are still living in mudhuts and don't have as much intelligence as other humans, but they're still human beings and of the same species and can reproduce with one another.

    Don't give me the 'animals are smarter than you think' crap - yeah they're smart because they can sense when you're about to kill it and run, like a women can sense that a man is a creep, but that is not the same as being able to build an advanced society.
    You should listen to yourself. You're literally saying the answer is a bearded man in the sky because you got ancient ramblings fed to you from birth. I mean I have no issue with you believing what you believe and letting that guide you, but you seriously have no idea what "blind faith" actually means.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    To me, you sound ridiculous. You just sound very confident, but that's just noise to me. Creationists always sound confident with little substance, and somehow still manage to win people over.

    I didn't see the point of trying to convince you about evolution as other posters started trying to do as I have wasted too much time debating creationists on that in the past. There's just really no point, their mind is made up.

    So instead I started correcting other flaws in your reasoning/premises that you'd maybe be open to adjusting. But seems like that was pointless as well.
    Dude, you're not answering my question - if evolution is real, where are the other highly evolved life forms like humans?

    Originally Posted by Horizon92 View Post
    You should listen to yourself. You're literally saying the answer is a bearded man in the sky because you got ancient ramblings fed to you from birth. I mean I have no issue with you believing what you believe and letting that guide you, but you seriously have no idea what "blind faith" actually means.
    LOL dude, I've been into the occult and I've seen some sh*t before i got my sh*t togehter and turned to Christ.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    Another creature as smart as a human being but not a human being.

    So no animal competing with crocodile's bite power, no animal competing with peregrine falcon's dive speed, no animal able to outrun a cheetah....


    This is all trouble for evolution?
    Back off, Warchild.

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    Originally Posted by Bodhy View Post
    So no animal competing with crocodile's bite power, no animal competing with peregrine falcon's dive speed, no animal able to outrun a cheetah....


    This is all trouble for evolution?
    They might be the best, but not by a huge margin - where as the difference between the most 'intellectual animal' and a stupid human being is so great it's not even funny
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    Dude, you're not answering my question - if evolution is real, where are the other highly evolved life forms like humans?

    LOL dude, I've been into the occult and I've seen some sh*t before i got my sh*t togehter and turned to Christ.
    Your entire premise is flawed. Evolution is not a teleological (goal-directed) process.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    Your entire premise is flawed. Evolution is not a teleological (goal-directed) process.
    So what exactly drives evolution except a goal (reproduction)
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    So what exactly drives evolution except a goal (reproduction)
    Dude I don't want to waste my time explaining this to you, read up a little and try to keep an open mind. If you still decide that the science is flawed I would suggest that you publish a pathbreaking scientific paper revealing your findings.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    Dude I don't want to waste my time explaining this to you, read up a little and try to keep an open mind. If you still decide that the science is flawed I would suggest that you publish a pathbreaking scientific paper revealing your findings.
    I have a degree is biological sciences, I'm no stranger to this - all I'm saying is that evolution is a load of sh* that's been pushed on the populace via the eduction system and it makes no sense under scrutiny
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    There's other intelligent animals. For example, dolphins are pretty smart.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    I have a degree is biological sciences, I'm no stranger to this - all I'm saying is that evolution is a load of sh* that's been pushed on the populace via the eduction system and it makes no sense under scrutiny
    You are living proof that there's something wrong with the education system, that's for sure
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    You are living proof that there's something wrong with the education system, that's for sure
    I actually pity you - you're so dumb that you don't even realize that you're dumb.

    You've just been brainwashed by the educational system into thinking that evolution is thing.

    Perhaps look into the elites who run the western countries and what their actual spiritual belief system(s) are, and then come back to me.
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    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    I actually pity you - you're so dumb that you don't even realize that you're dumb.

    You've just been brainwashed by the educational system into thinking that evolution is thing.

    Perhaps look into the elites who run the western countries and what their actual spiritual belief system(s) are, and then come back to me.
    you say he's brainwashed yet you believe in a book written by men about imaginary beings on a higher level?
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    I mean.....

    I mean we know the answer to OP's question but no one wants to say it....

    I mean there is something between an ape and a human... They usually have outlandish and ridiculous names like Sharq'euisha and Jamik'eil
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