Trump support 16-wk abortion ban except for rape, incest,+ mother life

[DanteEdmond]

Mike Pence had this same position, and people said he was being too socially conservative

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/u...rtion-ban.html

Former President Donald J. Trump has told advisers and allies that he likes the idea of a 16-week national abortion ban with three exceptions, in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother, according to two people with direct knowledge of Mr. Trump’s deliberations.

In supporting a 16-week ban with exceptions, Donald Trump appears to be trying to satisfy social conservatives who want to further restrict abortion access and voters who want more modest limits.

Mr. Trump has studiously avoided taking a clear position on restrictions to abortion since Roe v. Wade was overturned in the middle of 2022, galvanizing Democrats ahead of the midterm elections that year. He has said in private that he wants to wait until the Republican presidential primary contest is over to publicly discuss his views, because he doesn’t want to risk alienating social conservatives before he has secured the nomination, the two people said.

Mr. Trump has approached abortion transactionally since becoming a candidate in 2015, and his current private discussions reflect that same approach.

One thing Mr. Trump likes about a 16-week federal ban on abortions is that it’s a round number. “Know what I like about 16?” Mr. Trump told one of these people, who was given anonymity to describe a private conversation. “It’s even. It’s four months.”

[John L]

Man this guy really keeps the Blumpfies twisting themselves into pretzels lmao

That said, I agree with this policy. I'd like to see a near total ban, but I know that's not feasible and there needs to be a compromise.

Also lol'd hard at this:

“Know what I like about 16?” Mr. Trump told one of these people, who was given anonymity to describe a private conversation. “It’s even. It’s four months.”

[GuineaDago585]

So do I.

It’s called common fuking sense.

[navid93]

16 is fine. I’d consider that pro choice tbh

[rampagefc77]

Most European countries are 12-18 weeks, so 16 is a pretty liberal stance. I’m totally fine with it. Seems like a good compromise.

[Stizzel]

Man this guy really keeps the Blumpfies twisting themselves into pretzels lmao

That said, I agree with this policy. I'd like to see a near total ban, but I know that's not feasible and there needs to be a compromise.

Also lol'd hard at this:

Seems like you're bending yourself backwards to be against trump even when you agree with him. if he put on a pair of high heels would you be more accepting?

[ButWhoWasNoodz]

Even France bans it after a certain date. I know that doesn't satisfy the pieces of chit like Liz Warren and Newsome, but 16 is fine. "Unrestricted up to and past birth" is not.

[Retoaded]

Taking morality out of it, I don't see how they can legally do anything like this after the SC just said abortion is not in the Fed's purview. That should and would go both ways I think, whether its a partial ban on abortions or a law that abortions are legal. It has to go both ways.

[DanteEdmond]

Most European countries are 12-18 weeks, so 16 is a pretty liberal stance. I’m totally fine with it. Seems like a good compromise.

Did you praise Mike Pence when he had this same position (he even pushed the European-countries comparison too)

[DanteEdmond]

Taking morality out of it, I don't see how they can legally do anything like this after the SC just said abortion is not in the Fed's purview. That should and would go both ways I think, whether its a partial ban on abortions or a law that abortions are legal. It has to go both ways.

Did SCOTUS really say abortion is not in the fed's purview? ... I think SCOTUS overturned Roe because Roe found a "right to privacy" in the constitution, which naturally entailed a right to abortion. In Dobbs, SCOTUS said the prior court was wrong to find a right to abortion in the constitution.

Roe's right to abortion basically came entirely from the courts, not the feds; so invalidating Roe really meant that abortion is not SCOTUS's purview: Dobbs didn't say that abortion is not in the feds' purview

[bignpisst]

Whatever Daddy says

[rampagefc77]

Did you praise Mike Pence when he had this same position (he even pushed the European-countries comparison too)

I personally believe that it should be left to individual states, but that is likely naive and there will eventually be a national policy. 12-16 weeks has always been my stance. Abortion isn't a big issue for me. I'm morally opposed in many cases, but I recognize that there needs to be abortion in some instances. And to some degree, an early choice to abort may prove to be the best decision for that individual. But it should be early and there should be input from both men and women (ie if women ultimately get to choose if the baby is aborted or not, men get to choose if they want to be part of the childs life-- physically and financially). If a woman can deny a father a lifetime with a child due to abortion, a man should be able to deny the woman a lifetime of financial support if they want abortion but she doesn't.

[Retoaded]

Did SCOTUS really say abortion is not in the fed's purview? ... I think SCOTUS overturned Roe because Roe found a "right to privacy" in the constitution, which naturally entailed a right to abortion. In Dobbs, SCOTUS said the prior court was wrong to find a right to abortion in the constitution.

Roe's right to abortion basically came entirely from the courts, not the feds; so invalidating Roe really meant that abortion is not SCOTUS's purview: Dobbs didn't say that abortion is not in the feds' purview

Would be interesting and see what you are saying, this would be legislated and not granted by the courts...still bet it ends up back in the SC.

[rampagefc77]

Did SCOTUS really say abortion is not in the fed's purview? ... I think SCOTUS overturned Roe because Roe found a "right to privacy" in the constitution, which naturally entailed a right to abortion. In Dobbs, SCOTUS said the prior court was wrong to find a right to abortion in the constitution.

Roe's right to abortion basically came entirely from the courts, not the feds; so invalidating Roe really meant that abortion is not SCOTUS's purview: Dobbs didn't say that abortion is not in the feds' purview

Overturning Roe v Wade punted it to the states, but congress could pass a national policy and that would be within their purvue. So SCOTUS did not say that a national policy cannot exist, they just deciced that the courts cannot be the ones to make the legislature, it needs to come from the people.

[monty097]

No issue with this. Rape, incest or a threat to the life of mother are valid reasons.

If you're just out being a sloot and being irresponsible then tough chit, live with the consequences.

[John L]

Did you praise Mike Pence when he had this same position (he even pushed the European-countries comparison too)

The Blumpfies were losing their minds when Lindsay Graham said he was going to propose legislation for this exact type of ban lol

[ezmac31]

Did you praise Mike Pence when he had this same position (he even pushed the European-countries comparison too)

Pence sucks

[rampagefc77]

The Blumpfies were losing their minds when Lindsay Graham said he was going to propose legislation for this exact type of ban lol

I didn't-- I said I'd be fine with a 16 week ban. The timing of mentioning it was dumb, though. The media was on a rampage about overturning the decision. That wasn't the time to mention a national ban on any timeline.

If you look back at threads from that time, i mentioned that I was fine with it and that it was actually a very liberal stance in comparison to other countries. Libs were still losing their mind that ANY limit would be imposed.

[Duckliver]

16 weeks is fine even if I would like to see closer to 12-14

The real danger is starting up the industry of harvesting and playing doctor Frankenstein on freshly plucked babies for scientific progress.

I’ll let people make their peace with god on their own.

[navid93]

If you're just out being a sloot and being irresponsible then tough chit, live with the consequences.

Most abortions are done by married women. Is a woman having sex in a her marriage also a sloot?

[AlfBundy]

Mike Pence had this same position, and people said he was being too socially conservative

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/16/u...rtion-ban.html

[monty097]

Most abortions are done by married women. Is a woman having sex in a her marriage also a sloot?

If the person knocking her up isn;t her husband, then yes.

Which is probably the case with alot of them, why would you abort a child you and your husband could have had together?

[Retoaded]

Most abortions are done by married women. Is a woman having sex in a her marriage also a sloot?

This is completely false. Only 14% of abortions are married women.

[RIKTER]

Abortion isn't even my top 100, that said, now because of the SC ruling, abortion is on the ballot every election and make no mistake about it, if the choices are a complete ban(GOP base) or killing babies as they are born...the latter will be law.

Montana Votes Against Requiring Life-Saving Medical Care for Infants Born Alive

Montanans voted against LR-131, a referendum for the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, 53 percent to 47 percent, according to an estimation from the New York Times. The law would have established that a “born alive infant is entitled to medically appropriate care and treatment” and would have ruled that any healthcare provider found guilty of failing to take the necessary steps to “preserve a born-alive infant’s life” would face a punishment of a fine up to $50,000 or imprisonment up to 20 years, or both.

[sfgiants13]

Most European countries are 12-18 weeks, so 16 is a pretty liberal stance. I’m totally fine with it. Seems like a good compromise.

Problem is leftists will hammer him as being pro abortion no matter how reasonable it is. The repubs better have a plan to deal with the inevitable muh rights and killing women etc attacks.

[navid93]

This is completely false. Only 14% of abortions are married women.

Yeah just look into it you’re right, i was wrong

[ParsleyTea]

Sounds like the NYTimes is speculating since it isn't naming names. I can imagine Trump will give his ideas on abortion at some point. It is a big issue, as it is an issue that appears to have hurt the GOP in the previous two elections.


Striking Down Roe v. Wade Didn’t Change the Number of Abortions
So much for the Left's hysteria.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/strikin...-of-abortions/