Hydrogen vehicles are the future, just lol @batterycels

[Redfish225]

Toyota has the 2023 Mirai starting at 50k, xle has a range of 402 miles. I’m selling the 740 and definitely thinking of getting this for the wife.

Check it out, discuss.

https://www.toyota.com/mirai/

[AshWar]

Inb4 it blows up like the Hindenburg

[steeler505]

[naich]

Go for it if you want a new wife..

[N0stradamus]

They compress that hydrogen using power from oil and gas.

Similar to how a sh/t ton of carbon emissions from heavy equipment are needed to excavate lithium for EVs.

Hydrogen is every bit a scam as EVs. But people are too dumb to realize that.

Anybody who truly cares about the environment and isn't a double digit IQ goon would just buy a small hybrid vehicle like the Prius and call it a day.

[lightsarefallin]

just lol @ not driving a car powered by fart gas.

Introducing.... the Ford Brown.

The Power of Feces ™

[dingler]

What is the solution for all of the carbon dioxide produced during hydrogen production? We could go with green hydrogen, in lieu of blue, but then you have to invest in all of the renewable energy sources to create the power for the "green" hydrogen.

I used to be the national lead for hydrogen development for the feds. Trust me the hydrogen economy isn't coming anytime soon.

[crupiea]

Pro tip- gas cars are the future.

Maybe in 50-100 years we will convert but look around at how many cars would need to be replaced. Even if they forced everyone to switch it would take years and years.

[Redfish225]

I know this won’t happen overnight, this is only the beginning and I want in. People saying it will explode, look at how many gasoline vehicles burst into flames in crashes. It will always be dangerous to drive any type of vehicle. I’ll never give up my 700+ hp 1995 Z28 though, neither my truck.

[dingler]

I know this won’t happen overnight, this is only the beginning and I want in. People saying it will explode, look at how many gasoline vehicles burst into flames in crashes. It will always be dangerous to drive any type of vehicle. I’ll never give up my 700+ hp 1995 Z28 though, neither my truck.

The problem isn't the vehicle it's the source. Two ways to get hydrogen, 1. separate it from natural gas streams, 2. generate it using electrolysis. 1st Option generates a lot of CO2, I used to work on the carbon capture utilization and sequestration program also which is meant to offset the carbon footprint. 2nd option is more viable but it will require tons of power to run the process, you can either use fossil fuels adding to the carbon footprint or invest in renewables which adds to the carbon footprint. You still need a significant ccus program in place. Nuclear power, or possibly direct use geothermal, to generate hydrogen is the best option in my opinion but everyone freaks out about it.

[bezarker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfo-w0ptEo

[dingler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfo-w0ptEo

this is the idea behind green hydrogen, running an electrolysis process. i've built one of these but they really only work with a carburetor or a quasi diesel cycle. Sinc most cars are fuel injected now adays you would have to mix the fuel with air in the manifold which seems like a pretty bad idea.

[Duckliver]

No, synthetic made fuel is the future

Gas wins, production changes

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...nthetic-fuels/

[stevebec]

The problem isn't the vehicle it's the source. Two ways to get hydrogen, 1. separate it from natural gas streams, 2. generate it using electrolysis. 1st Option generates a lot of CO2, I used to work on the carbon capture utilization and sequestration program also which is meant to offset the carbon footprint. 2nd option is more viable but it will require tons of power to run the process, you can either use fossil fuels adding to the carbon footprint or invest in renewables which adds to the carbon footprint. You still need a significant ccus program in place. Nuclear power, or possibly direct use geothermal, to generate hydrogen is the best option in my opinion but everyone freaks out about it.

Not likely to use nuclear to produce hydrogen. The whole reason this is being pushed is because solar panels only generate electricity during the day and they need a way to store it for night time. Batteries are a really lousy way to store massive amounts of power, so they want to use the excess power to produce H2 and store that.

The real issue is the almost complete lack of fueling infrastructure. This is really best suited for someone like UPS. They have enough vehicles at each center to make it worthwhile to install their own fueling stations and the vehicles all go back to the center every evening and can be refueled overnight like they currently do for gasoline.

[stevebec]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfo-w0ptEo

But who was perpetual motion?

[digital022]

Where would you refill that POS? ded srs

edit:
apparently these come with a 15K fuel card and the car is worthless for trade-in value once the fuel card is depleted. lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mirai/comme...recommend_the/

[dingler]

Not likely to use nuclear to produce hydrogen. The whole reason this is being pushed is because solar panels only generate electricity during the day and they need a way to store it for night time. Batteries are a really lousy way to store massive amounts of power, so they want to use the excess power to produce H2 and store that.

The real issue is the almost complete lack of fueling infrastructure. This is really best suited for someone like UPS. They have enough vehicles at each center to make it worthwhile to install their own fueling stations and the vehicles all go back to the center every evening and can be refueled overnight like they currently do for gasoline.

How much power to you reckon is not able to be stored by the current inventory of solar panel batteries? Enough to run electrolysis processes for 1k cars? 10k? 100K? The issue with the hydrogen economy is mitigating the carbon footprint. CEQ, DEQ and EPA have all updated their regulations as to what companies have to comply with, combined with the Net Zero goals of the administration that are in place if you can't mitigate your carbon you can't do anything. Go to a hydrogen conference or a ccus conference then report back.

Look at the project in Kansas using wind power to generate hydrogen...

[Maestro]

Where would you refill that POS? ded srs

edit:
apparently these come with a 15K fuel card and the car is worthless for trade-in value once the fuel card is depleted. lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mirai/comme...recommend_the/

meh, thats fair.

-$15k on a card
-assuming it takes $60 to fill it up
-and you fill it twice per month


$15k/$60= 250 fills total
if you fill twice per month (250/2) that gives you 125 months of use

125months/12months in a year=10.4 years.

so the car would last you about 10 years. Thats about right. Usually by that time, people are looking for a new car.

[amusclehead]

Where would you refill that POS? ded srs

edit:
apparently these come with a 15K fuel card and the car is worthless for trade-in value once the fuel card is depleted. lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mirai/comme...recommend_the/

there are hydrogen fueling stations, but they're few and far between and I think it takes like 40-60 minutes to fill up. Also, the nozzel can freeze to the car, in which case I guess you spend all day there until it thaws?

meh, thats fair.

-$15k on a card
-assuming it takes $60 to fill it up
-and you fill it twice per month


$15k/$60= 250 fills total
if you fill twice per month (250/2) that gives you 125 months of use

125months/12months in a year=10.4 years.

so the car would last you about 10 years. Thats about right. Usually by that time, people are looking for a new car.

Yea, I don't think this is a good deal.

The average cost of hydrogen is $20/kg

A fuel cell is around 6kg of hydrogen

$120 to fill up on average

You can go about 60 miles on 1kg of hydrogen, so that's around 300-400 miles.

If you fill up once a week your gas card is done within 3 years of so.

[Redfish225]

meh, thats fair.

-$15k on a card
-assuming it takes $60 to fill it up
-and you fill it twice per month


$15k/$60= 250 fills total
if you fill twice per month (250/2) that gives you 125 months of use

125months/12months in a year=10.4 years.

so the car would last you about 10 years. Thats about right. Usually by that time, people are looking for a new car.

Exactly.

[MikeLowrrrey]

Inb4 it blows up like the Hindenburg

Lol at folks thinking Toyota Master Race will release a bad car.

I'm a V8 guy, but that Toyota looks nice

[stevebec]

How much power to you reckon is not able to be stored by the current inventory of solar panel batteries?

None, because the percentage of power produced by solar cells is a relatively small percentage of current total capacity (3.4% as of October). We would actually be fine at the moment with no batteries. That percentage is going to rapidly grow as more and more solar farms are added and coal and natural gas generators are decommissioned. Day/night power imbalances are going to become a real problem without some way to store that energy. Batteries are a really inefficient, expensive way to do that, not to mention all the lithium and other elements needed to produce them. The only reason they're being done now is the massive subsidies that make bad ideas profitable. Ideally you'd use something like the Taum Sauk plant, but you have to have the right geography and you have the same habitat destruction issue you do with normal hydro dams.

Look at the project in Kansas using wind power to generate hydrogen...

Exactly. The wind doesn't always blow, and by producing H2, they're decoupling the consumption from the production.