From another thread:
I'm old enough to remember something called assumable mortgages. Those used to be a thing. A seller could let a buyer pick up their existing mortgage with a lower interest rate.
I suspect those went away due to a lack of demand.
Now we again have a pretty big spread between many existing mortgages and the current market rate.
Could this be an opportunity for a middle man to act as a sort of factor in exchange for a bite of the spread? Would it be worth it?
Say the seller has a mortgage @ 3% while the current rate is 7%. Could a factor step in to take over responsibility for the mortgage as a third party shielding the seller from credit risk and pass through that portion of the mortgage at 4% or 5%? The buyer would have to have cash or take on a second mortgage to cover the difference between the outstanding mortgage and the sale price. The seller would be hit for an upfront fee to set everything rolling and pad the bottom line for the factor.
Maybe this could provide more liquidity to the market if rates remain highly elevated? A seller would be out a fee, but on the other end if they were able to purchase a property which is also being handled by a factor + they have equity = they could change properties without increasing their payment to a ludicrous level.
This might be totally retarded and I've not even tried to figure the math, but if it pays it seems like there would be a lot of customers who need to move or really want to, but can't afford a chunkier monthly payment.
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09-07-2023, 05:55 AM #1
So About This Frozen Housing Situation...
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Yes, so I presume that very very few people who presently have low rates also have assumable mortgages.
I mean in a sane world I would think that a continuously increasing money supply would mean that lenders would demand higher rates so as not to take a loss against their loans. OTOH I know our system isn't sane and banks write loans out of thin air based on no real assets. So it's in a sense money for nothing on their end.
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09-07-2023, 06:08 AM #7
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assumable mortgages are everywhere. look at some of my posts from the last couple years and i mention em. my mortgage is. i do believe all government backed loans are by default assumable but they have to be caught up in order to be assumed and the new mortgage for the difference is likely to stay with the same bank as they won't willingly take second position.
difference between asking price and assumable amount is at current rates. tons and tons of people have assumable mortgages they just don't know about it or have looked in to it. for anyone trying to buy look for houses bought or sold within the past two years. it is almost guaranteed to be less than 4% and have the loan payoff almost equal to purchase price.
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It'll be interesting to see what happens once student loans restart. It's almost impressive how quickly things got so out of hand, but even more so how people seem to be able to tolerate all of it. I guess enough people owned pre-lockdowns and refinanced at 3% to offset the absolute madness that's going on now.
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Just updating bathrooms, paint, clean, declutter. Stuff along those lines. You guys would be surprised what 230k gets you in Iowa.
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Where I live it is absolutely frozen. Recently
I checked the stats for my area
Within the past 14 days. There are only SIX transactions. Over the past year there are 1300
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And you guys don't have to worry about increasing rates because you can lock in for periods of time.
The main issue in Canada is all the people who have million dollar homes looking at their interest rate going from 2% to 7% upon renewal after 5 years. So either you pony up another thousand bucks a month or you're forced to sell or figure something else out. Only paying interest charges (so renting from the bank) and dropping equity is starting to happen in places like Toronto. Anyone who bought in 2019-2021 and overpaid without having a big increase in household income are going to be in trouble. So a lot of places will be forced to turn over simply because people can't afford or qualify for their adjusted mortgage.
Average house price in Toronto in March 2022 was 1.3 million and it's dropped to just over a million after 18 months. Still a 20% increase over 2018 though when it was about 850k.
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