Lost 9 lbs of fat while gaining 9 lbs of muscle in 3 weeks w/ PRIMOTEST and EQUILONE

**freaker** · 11-02-2003, 12:50 AM

On October 10th I started a cycle of PRIMOTEST and EQUILONE from LMR Sports. I weighed 194 at 12.1% bodyfat.

**freaker** · 11-02-2003, 12:51 AM

On October 31st I weighed 194 at 7.5% bodyfat.

**freaker** · 11-02-2003, 12:56 AM

I have a thread detailing my entire program as well as a daily log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...0&pagenumber=1

Over the past 3 weeks I lost 2.5" in my waist, and gained 1/4" in most of my girth measurements, even my calves and forearms. My strength also went through the roof. Since my original goal was to get my body fat down to 5.9%, I'm continuing my cycle of PRIMOTEST and EQUILONE. I'll occassionally update this thread with pictures as I continue incinerating body fat.

**Assassinator** · 11-02-2003, 01:46 AM

i really dont see much of a difference ?

you're supposed to be 7.5 % BF there, it doesnt look like it

**Buff_Daddy** · 11-02-2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by freaker
On October 31st I weighed 194 at 7.5% bodyfat.

damn that face is pure evil

seriously tho, great job... ive seen your photos from way back, and its very apparent you've added mass and gained definition.

**dpman** · 11-02-2003, 09:47 PM

Hey Freaker,
Now that you have lost the belly roll and love handles how great does it feel to walk around shirtles especially with the girls????

**KarateChris** · 11-03-2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by John Benz
Looking good, freaker, but I didn't realize you were a teenager. Took you to be much older from your posts.

Why would you think he's a teenager? His profile says he was born in 1976, which means he's not a teenager. Plus he never said anything about being a teenager in this thread (that I saw anyway).

**KarateChris** · 11-03-2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by John Benz
My bad. Didn't check profile, but he looks about 17 in those pics.

LOL If he'd be 17 in those pics, I'd be pretty depressed hehe. He's my height and a hell of a lot bigger than me, and I'm 19.

**user34566548717114** · 11-03-2003, 04:46 PM

i don't think thats 7.5% body fat, I would get that re-checked

**sloan6P** · 11-03-2003, 05:12 PM

not to downplay any your gains...but 9lbs. of muscle in 3 weeks?? thats impossible bro...most pros might make those gains in a year... i think dexter jackson put on something like 15-20 lbs. over a year (not natural of course). so to say that you've put on that much muscle sounds like one of those advertisements in a magazine..let alone misleads any newbies who have just started lifting

**Fletch** · 11-03-2003, 05:29 PM

You can definitely tell there's a difference in depth in the middle of your abdominals. Your body composition changes are noticeable however I am skeptical myself if the body can go through such a change even with a lil legal anabolic assistance.

Regardless, great job will the improvements! Your pec looks great as well. I couldn't even tell which one was injured until i had to read an older post.

- Fletch

**amusclehead** · 11-03-2003, 05:46 PM

*scratches head* both pics look almost the same? only difference i can see is a bit more ab showing in the 2nd...

Originally posted by KarateChris
Why would you think he's a teenager? His profile says he was born in 1976, which means he's not a teenager. Plus he never said anything about being a teenager in this thread (that I saw anyway).

bump, some people need to learn basic math

**freaker** · 11-03-2003, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by Assassinator
i really dont see much of a difference ?

you're supposed to be 7.5 % BF there, it doesnt look like it

7.5% by a 3-point skinfold measurement. Chest was 4mm, abdominal was 12mm, thigh was 10mm. The 12.1% measurement was taken the same way, but I forget the exact mm measuremnts on each skin fold.

sloan6P - As far as the 9 pounds of muscle thing, maybe I should say 9 pounds of lean mass. Maybe it's pure muscle, maybe it's not. As far as what's impossible I've heard people claim to gain 14 pounds of pure muscle in 2 weeks on some heavy gear cycles. Another friend of mine said he gained 7 pounds of pure muscle in a week from a single injection of Parabolin and eating like a maniac, so it's not impossible. As far as Dexter Jackson, the guy is already seriously pushing his genetic limit so it's going to be a lot harder for him to gain muscle no matter what he does. It's a lot easier to go from 18" arms to 19" arms than it is to go from 22" arms to 23" arms. As far as me misleading anybody, I went from 12.1% body fat to 7.5% body fat while remaining 194 pounds. I measured my body fat the exact same way each time. Do the math and see what it adds up to, I'm not misleading anybody.

amusclehead - You must be blind. There is an obvious difference in the amount fo fat on my abdominals. I lost 2.5" on my waist. I also think there's a pretty significant difference in my quads and calves sizewise, especially for only 3 weeks.

**FATHER FLEX** · 11-03-2003, 10:32 PM

I think it would be better if you took your pics from a bit farther of a distance. It is easier to see detail from a farther distance. Good job dude with your body...its the pics that need some touching up with.

**JingleAllTheWAY** · 11-03-2003, 11:02 PM

just post another pic. obviously people aren't seeing much of a difference from the one you posted. if you went from 12.5% bodyfat to 7% it would be VERY obvious.

**freaker** · 11-03-2003, 11:25 PM

I have other pics posted in my other thread. My before and after on some of my back pics shows a pretty good difference. I'm honestly not too hot on my side ab and front double bicep after shots because I really wasn't posing that great in those. Anyway, once I get down under 6% body fat(which will be very soon), the difference will become much more obvious as my abdominal skinfold only went from 19mm to 12mm. My lower abs are one of the last places I lose fat, so once I go under 6% and the abdominal skinfold goes into the single digits that's when it will really start showing. When I did Superbody in 2001, I had a 6mm abdominal measurement at 3.8% body fat and a 27" waist, just to give people an idea of what to expect from me in the next month. Remember, I'm still stacking PRIMOTEST and EQUILONE and following the same training, diet, and supplementation program that caused me to lose 9 pounds of fat in the last 3 weeks. Another 3 weeks and I should be nasty shredded.

**Scar** · 11-04-2003, 03:31 AM

I like you and have always respected your knowledge and exertise. That said..something does not add up here...you look identical in both pics,at first i thought this was a hoax/joke and was looking at your shoelaces to see if the pics were actually taken on the same day.

No way are you 7.5 bf that is just not possible.

Don't get pissed i'm just calling it as i see it bro

**Tank2010** · 11-04-2003, 03:41 AM

Sorry man, but i dont take that you made those changes in that sort of time, even on juice you would be pushing it, you keep talking about the supplements your using like your advertising the ****. And if it does do what you claim, maybe you should let some ifbb pros know about it, so they wouldnt have to sacrifice there health using juice.

**KarateChris** · 11-04-2003, 06:14 AM

Okay, I figured I'd put my two cents in. freaker, you've always been an inspiration to me being so big since you're my height. Now, the pics at first glance.. and maybe even second glance look virtually the same, BUT if you notice, it is CLEARLY evident that he lost size in his waist. He didn't lose much bodyfat in his abdominals, but he lost it from his obliques and lower back big time. His waist looks tighter. As he said, he loses bodyfat from his lower abdominals last. And also, remember that there is some error in doing bodyfat testing with calipers, so it is possible he isn't EXACTLY 7.5%. Either way, you're still lookin huge freaker. I hope you get to have that tendon in your chest reattached so you can compete again. Good luck with leaning out. Later.

**dpman** · 11-04-2003, 09:15 PM

We all wish we could get quick results like Freaker!!
Awesome abs!!!!

**freaker** · 11-09-2003, 10:44 PM

Here's an update. After slacking last weekend on the diet, I got back to it on Monday. I also ate a lot of beef for my protein sources. I started back with the carbs late Thursday by adding tortias in to my diet. I made some great tacos with all that lean ground beef. I continued with more beef and tortias on Friday trying to get plenty of carbs in for the Slayer concert I went to that night. I didn't have time for either my cardio or leg workout on Friday, but I did manage to take a quick picture and get my weight and body fat. My weight was up to 196, my bodyfat was down to 7.2% because my abdominal skinfold was down 1mm to 11mm. My waist was also down a 1/4" to 30.75" and my arms are up to 18.25". I had jeans on in this picture, but you can see the area under my obliques, right at my hip bone on the corners of my waist is clearly defined. There may be fat to the front and sides still, but no fat at the point of the hip bone. I also upped my dosage on PRIMOTEST and EQUILONE to 11cc of each per day. I figured it that I was getting used to it and it was time to shock my system. I'm also using the new prototype for our Ehpedra Free CLEN CAPS. 3 caps have 450mg of green tea extract standardized for 50% caffeine, evodiamine, octopamine, AKG, and some other various ingredients. 3 of them wake me up more than 2 of the regular CLEN CAPS. I'm going to start stacking 2 regular CLEN CAPS with 2 of the Ephedra Free CLEN CAPS as of Monday morning.

**FATHER FLEX** · 11-09-2003, 11:00 PM

Good pic bro

You can see how much you hav leaned out there. Good stuff! How much more are you planning to cut?

One thing I will ask though, is why not have your photographer take a step back.

**freaker** · 11-09-2003, 11:03 PM

The Slayer concert on Friday was a workout in and of itself. I made it to the dead front row within 4 songs by using the push from the mosh pit and my lower body strength to anchor myself in further and further towards the front. Once I got a spot no one was pushing me back. My upper abdominals are still sore as **** from being pushed into the guard rail at the front, and my triceps and forearms are pretty bruised as well. I probably torched all my glycogen just getting to the front and had to be burning muscle to meet my body's demand for ATP as I had to defend my front row spot and I was still moshing even in the dead front row. It was definitely a situation of pulling energy out of my ass as I was soaked from sweat and dizzy after the concert was over. Afterward, I went home and made a recovery shake, then I went walking through the woods to see if I could get a pcitures of the big fox I saw there last week. After that I did 6 sprints on a nearby soccer field, had another recovery shake, and went to bed. I ate a pizza on Saturday and did my usual intense leg workout a few hours later. I was stronger than ever even though my hip flexors are now killing me from the concert, the sprints, and the weights. I also ate General Tso's chicken later that night. My diet was a little better today, athough I used some of the 20 ounces a steak I cooked up for the Bucs game to make a fajita with cheese. I think I would've lost more fat if I would have stuck with the diet more last weekend, and all the crap I ate this weekend will probably have a similar effect. Still, if I can lose another 1/4" off my waist this week, that's still progress. I'm going to stick with the diet the next few weeks because I really want to get my body fat down and have a 27" waist again.

**freaker** · 11-09-2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by FATHER FLEX
Good pic bro You can see how much you hav leaned out there. Good stuff! How much more are you planning to cut?

One thing I will ask though, is why not have your photographer take a step back.

I still want to lose another 3" off my waist, and get some striated obliques. My photographer is against the back wall in the office at the gym where I always take my pics, and I'm against the other wall, so there is no way we're going to be able to put more space between us. You'll notice I'm being consistent with these pics, same poses, no ****ty before shots, no pumping up before. Maybe I'll take some pics in the aerobics room after pumping up along with my usual pics when I finish my cycle. Maybe I should shave and put some tanning **** on too...**** THAT, I don't compete anymore, that's half the reason I got out of the competitive scene.

**FATHER FLEX** · 11-10-2003, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by freaker
Maybe I'll take some pics in the aerobics room after pumping up along with my usual pics when I finish my cycle. Maybe I should shave and put some tanning **** on too...**** THAT, I don't compete anymore, that's half the reason I got out of the competitive scene.

Didn't mean to insult you, relax for crying out loud. I just suggested that you take the picture from a bit differently. That way you would not have all these people complaining that they see nothing. You do want promote your products as being beneficial..right? I never knew that you were working in very limited space here. Relax a bit would you? You do have a point that I overlooked. In that taking pictures consistently is a big key when taking before and after pics.

**freaker** · 11-10-2003, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by FATHER FLEX
Didn't mean to insult you, relax for crying out loud. I just suggested that you take the picture from a bit differently. That way you would not have all these people complaining that they see nothing. You do want promote your products as being beneficial..right? I never knew that you were working in very limited space here. Relax a bit would you? You do have a point that I overlooked. In that taking pictures consistently is a big key when taking before and after pics.

I didn't take it as an insult at all and I'm sorry if my reply came off as defensive. I just was letting you know why I couldn't have the photographer move back. I actually appreceiate the criticism and suggestion as I said will probably take some better pictures with proper spacing and lighting when I'm where I want to be as far as my body fat. The tanning and shaving **** was meant to be a joke, not a rant, I guess I should have used a

**scubavanja** · 11-10-2003, 11:15 PM

I see you are getting all upset, but sorry to break it to you dude, but you didn't lose 5% bodyfat between those two pics and there is nothing you can do with the camera that will change that. You look much chunkier than me in the second one and I am not 7.5% BF. So I would go and remeasure that and once again, not and insult here, but you aren't cut, though you can see your upper abs. But you still have the spare tire thing going on and have that soft, bulky look to you. Good luck cutting!!!

**FATHER FLEX** · 11-10-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by freaker
I didn't take it as an insult at all and I'm sorry if my reply came off as defensive. I just was letting you know why I couldn't have the photographer move back. I actually appreceiate the criticism and suggestion as I said will probably take some better pictures with proper spacing and lighting when I'm where I want to be as far as my body fat. The tanning and shaving **** was meant to be a joke, not a rant, I guess I should have used a

Its all good bro. I just wanted to make sure I didn't insult you, or make you feel insulted.

**freaker** · 11-10-2003, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by scubavanja
I see you are getting all upset, but sorry to break it to you dude, but you didn't lose 5% bodyfat between those two pics and there is nothing you can do with the camera that will change that. You look much chunkier than me in the second one and I am not 7.5% BF. So I would go and remeasure that and once again, not and insult here, but you aren't cut, though you can see your upper abs. But you still have the spare tire thing going on and have that soft, bulky look to you. Good luck cutting!!!

Actually I will agree with you on one thing. I don't think I look 7%. I did measure accurately though, my measurements on October 31st were 4mm chest skinfold, 12mm abdominal skinfold, and 10mm thigh skinfold. However, I'm beginning to wonder if my FatTrack II digital calipers are using a screwy formula. To test it out, I put a measurment of 3mm for the chest, 6mm for the abdominal, and 4mm for the thigh skinfold with an age of 24. I took these same measurements when I competed in the 2001 Superbody(picture as shown), and I got 3.8% body fat with the formula I used then, yet my FatTrack II says those measurements correspond to 3.0% body fat. I know I'm ripped in this picture, but I'm not 3%. However, I lost 2.5" on my waist between October 10th and October 31st, so I do believe I lost 9 pounds of pure fat. It's funny how in all the ABSOLVED threads people are making a big deal about losing 3/4" on their waist or 1.5" in a month(not to mention very few of them include pictures), yet I lose 2.5" on my waist in 3 weeks and nobody can see the difference. How about this, if you're so ripped, tell me your age, your chest, abdominal, and thigh skinfold measurements, and I'll tell you what my FatTrack II says your body fat percentage is. Just to let everyone know, this is what a 26.5" waist looks like.

**Fletch** · 11-11-2003, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by freaker
... Just to let everyone know, this is what a 26.5" waist looks like.

WHOA!!! FREAK!!!

- Fletch

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