Indictment is a huge win for Trump

[Stizzel]

Indicted in south florida means pro trump jury
Huge pressure now on republicans to retaliate against biden
Republican voters now rallying around trump rather than desantis
Case so weak unlikely to even get to trial
Minimum 18 months to go to trial which would be after the election

Just lol at TDS loons being their own worst enemy

[QuentinSutpen]

Indicted in south florida means pro trump jury

The territory covered by the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida voted Biden 55.42% - Trump 43.80%.

[Stizzel]

The territory covered by the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida voted Biden 55.42% - Trump 43.80%.

Okay? He only needs one juror, if it even gets that far. Miami courts have a reputation for dismissing cases they think are political

[Weightaholic]

If Fizzle says this is a win, Trump will be in jail by the end of it.

[TCmaxxing]

Why didn’t the libcucks choose DC or NY?

[the700level]

Okay? He only needs one juror, if it even gets that far. Miami courts have a reputation for dismissing cases they think are political

1 juror to think it’s ridiculous, when it reality it should be 12

[Stizzel]

Why didn’t the libcucks choose DC or NY?

I'd love to know this too

1 juror to think it’s ridiculous, when it reality it should be 12

Based on the location theres a reasonable chance the judge will reach that conclusion

[BrianDaMan]

Why didn’t the libcucks choose DC or NY?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_18

Unless a statute or these rules permit otherwise, the government must prosecute an offense in a district where the offense was committed.


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The documents were retained in Florida, and the alleged obstruction happened in Florida.

Makes it faster to go to trial as well, bringing the charges in DC would result in months of Trump's team battling that it's not the right venue based on where the alleged offenses occurred.

[dabbmw2002]

Yeah don't count on that stuff anymore. We know things are way beyond f*cked now given how far they are pushing this to keep him from running in 2024.

It amazes me that so many Americans are too dumb to see how bad this is. I was taught in school that tyrannical governments try to jail any political opposition that threaten their power.

Is it okay for the United States to do it too?

Look how many people are cheering this on. God forbid you have someone that's willing to speak for the people and not Washington lobbyists.

Funny how none of the liberals will actually say they agree with the charges. They just make fun of it because they they can't defend it.

[SillieBazzillie]

LOL

Only would a moron cultist is so stupid to believe that their master getting indicted was a good thing...SMH

FEDS don't bring indictments unless the evidence is almost ironclad boyo. And the prosecution will EASILY be able to weed the cultist out of the jury pool. Once done, the evidence will speak for itself and ya boy going up the river.

Buriful

Love this for you cultist.

[z4v4]

1 juror to think it’s ridiculous, when it reality it should be 12

"Herp derp, without seeing any of the evidence, I think it's ridiculous, herp derp."

[DingleLarry]

Haven’t you embarrassed yourself enough on here already?

[SillieBazzillie]

What are you talking about?

Everybody agrees with the charges.

He literally stole documents, kept them when asked to return them, hid ones he had, lied about having docs, etc etc etc

Ya boy is phuked and it's buriful.

[Procta]

Why didn’t the libcucks choose DC or NY?

they already lost a few Trump cases is prolly why

[Stizzel]

He literally stole documents, kept them when asked to return them, hid ones he had, lied about having docs, etc etc etc

Ya boy is phuked and it's buriful.

This right here is what I find so interesting. Precedent from federal courts aside, trumps position is that as an elected president he's the final say on control of these documents.

Sillie, biden; the groomers are asserting that this is incorrect. An unelected bureaucracy has authority over an elected president and he has to get its permission.

Which of course would mean they dont believe we are a democracy at all

[SillieBazzillie]

This right here is what I find so interesting. Precedent from federal courts aside, trumps position is that as an elected president he's the final say on control of these documents.

Sillie, biden; the groomers are asserting that this is incorrect. An unelected bureaucracy has authority over an elected president and he has to get its permission.

Which of course would mean they dont believe we are a democracy at all

LOLOLOL

You believe one man has ultimate power to do anything he wants just by thinking about it. You are the one who wants the opposite of democracy. Ya boy admits on tape he can't declassify stuff just by thinking about it.

You sir a a giant CUCK.

SAD

[isingmodel]

OP also thinks drinking while pregnant is a huge win for babies, but reality tells us otherwise:

[Stizzel]

LOLOLOL

You believe one man has ultimate power to do anything he wants just by thinking about it. You are the one who wants the opposite of democracy. Ya boy admits on tape he can't declassify stuff just by thinking about it.

You sir a a giant CUCK.

SAD

Thats actually what federal courts have ruled, which is consistent with the premise of having any classification system at all. Assuming, of course, that you live in a democratic government

I love that you are putting the preeminence of the bureaucracy on full display. Most americans think the president, senate etc run the show. You're giving them a big wake up call. Kudos for that

[DanteEdmond]

Thats actually what federal courts have ruled, which is consistent with the premise of having any classification system at all. Assuming, of course, that you live in a democratic government

Nope. without getting into the complex legal stuff, the federal courts have actually rejected the idea that the President can declassify chit just by thinking of it, saying "declassified!," or sending a tweet:

The Times next contends that the President’s tweet and statements to the Wall Street Journal interviewer declassified the fact that the program existed, thus precluding the CIA from invoking FOIA Exemptions 1 and 3 ... This novel argument is without merit.

^ You can go to page 27 to read more if you want . The opinion was written in July 2020 by US Court of Appeals for 2nd district

https://cases.justia.com/federal/app...?ts=1594303207

[Iczer]

Charge Trump, then Hillary, Pence, Biden, all of them. If not, then this is purely political. Pretty simple.

[Stizzel]

Nope. without getting into the complex legal stuff, the federal courts have actually rejected the idea that the President can declassify chit just by thinking of it, saying "declassified!," or sending a tweet:



^ You can go to page 27 to read more if you want . The opinion was written in July 2020 by US Court of Appeals for 2nd district

https://cases.justia.com/federal/app...?ts=1594303207

No one is talking about tweets here

[DanteEdmond]

No one is talking about tweets here

if you can't declassify something by a tweet, press release, or interview statement, then how can you declassify something just by thinking about it? Trump is wrong

[BrianDaMan]

Nope. without getting into the complex legal stuff, the federal courts have actually rejected the idea that the President can declassify chit just by thinking of it, saying "declassified!," or sending a tweet:



^ You can go to page 27 to read more if you want . The opinion was written in July 2020 by US Court of Appeals for 2nd district

https://cases.justia.com/federal/app...?ts=1594303207

The declassification process debate is irrelevant to the charges anyway, since none of them say anything about classification status.

So IDK why you guys are debating this.

[DanteEdmond]

The declassification process debate is irrelevant to the charges anyway, since none of them say anything about classification status.

So IDK why you guys are debating this.

He's allegedly on the hook for:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

[Mercworx]

Your average countryman is a god damn retard so no this isn’t “good”.

It’s a corrupt machine throwing everything it has at an outsider candidate because of how threatened they are by him. They will stop at nothing. The founding fathers would have cleaned house long ago if we are being honest.

We created a permanent political class and I see no way out of this besides things like secession or the red states literally rolling up to DC and throwing half the city in a dungeon.


The next GOP president will be another establishment Uni party fhag. The chance that DeSantis will have the balls the break up the party in DC is basically zero. He will be too busy enriching himself.

[BrianDaMan]

He's allegedly on the hook for:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

I've only seen reports it's USC 793 (which was listed on the search warrant) and doesn't say anything about classification.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

But if so, then this just broke about the recording:

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Former President Donald Trump acknowledged on tape in a 2021 meeting that he had retained “secret” military information that he had not declassified, according to a transcript of the audio recording.

“As president, I could have declassified, but now I can’t,” Trump says, according to the transcript.

The transcript of the audio recording suggests that Trump is showing the document he’s discussing to those in the room. The recording captures the sound of paper rustling, as if Trump was waving the document around, though is not clear if it was the actual Iran document.

“Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this,” Trump says at one point, according to the transcript. “This was done by the military and given to me.”

Trump continues: “All sorts of stuff – pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this.”

[TCmaxxing]

Can’t defense just reference Comey’s investigation on Hillary bleaching classified emails and concluding with “extreme carelessness” but not criminal?

[DanteEdmond]

I've only seen reports it's USC 793 (which was listed on the search warrant) and doesn't say anything about classification.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

He's allegedly facing that charge too. According to NYPost, it's these 7:

1). 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information (which you cited)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

2) 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

3). 18 U.S.C. § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant, subsection c, #1
https://casetext.com/statute/united-...r-an-informant

4). 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant, subsection b, #2B
https://casetext.com/statute/united-...r-an-informant

5). 18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally, subsection a, #1
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

6).18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally, susection a, #2

7). 18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1503

[Seatard]

Yeah don't count on that stuff anymore. We know things are way beyond f*cked now given how far they are pushing this to keep him from running in 2024.

It amazes me that so many Americans are too dumb to see how bad this is. I was taught in school that tyrannical governments try to jail any political opposition that threaten their power.

Is it okay for the United States to do it too?

Look how many people are cheering this on. God forbid you have someone that's willing to speak for the people and not Washington lobbyists.

You're being way too one sided and dramatic with this.

The US government isn't perfect but it's far from tyrannical, and one aspect of tyranny is to ignore (alleged) crimes committed by the elite/ruling class.


So yes, it's okay for the US Gov to do this within our established justice system. Unlike the regular people who he is supposedly speaking for, Trump will enjoy limo rides to his day in court on the people's dime. So fuk him if he broke laws the rest of us would be quietly disposed of for breaking. To me that's the opposite of tyranny.

[TCmaxxing]

He's allegedly facing that charge too. According to NYPost, it's these 7:

1). 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information (which you cited)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

2) 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

3). 18 U.S.C. § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant, subsection c, #1
https://casetext.com/statute/united-...r-an-informant

4). 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant, subsection b, #2B
https://casetext.com/statute/united-...r-an-informant

5). 18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally, subsection a, #1
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001

6).18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally, susection a, #2

7). 18 U.S. Code § 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1503

Last I heard from FBI, mishandling classified documents is considered “extreme carelessness” but not criminal