We were discussing the singular question of if the government has any legitimate role in disseminating information.
I'm surprised at the response of "no" because of how deeply involved the government is at every level with issues like health, education, regulation, etc. that are all information based.
If the response is "yes" then the government becomes one of many sources of info that we as individuals use to judge the quality of information we're presented with.
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03-10-2023, 11:39 AM #61
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03-10-2023, 11:42 AM #62
And yet you say this….
would it be wrong for the government to let everyone know it's bullchit and should be disregarded?
So which is it… is our government untrustworthy or should we turn to them to tell us what to believe? You could’ve at least waited until we hit a new page of the discussion before such a large contradiction.+positive crew+
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03-10-2023, 11:44 AM #63
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03-10-2023, 11:45 AM #64
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"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
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03-10-2023, 11:45 AM #65
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03-10-2023, 11:47 AM #66
To be fair, they are at war. The real crime is our press burying the nazification of Ukraine. The original injustice that led to this fiasco was Ukraine insisting on violently culturally repressing the Russians in Donbass. Poroshenko allowed neonazi "volunteers" to shell his own citizens, and he pinned medals on their chests and celebrated Bandera. And they burned people alive in Odessa. The nazis are the reason Zelensky couldn't make peace. Putin didn't pull the nazi angle out of his butthoel. There are really nazis in Ukraine. A lot of them. And they are influential enough to scare Russia.
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03-10-2023, 11:49 AM #67
The underlying tenet pointed out in my first post ITT is that the government can ask anything they want, but we can always say no.
What I've seen with this issue so far is that it's google, youtube, twitter, etc. who are making business decisions regarding their product. What's involved in making those decisions varies, and it often involves considering the government's position, but at the end of the day as long as each company retained the ability to exercise their right to say no, then it's not government censorship.
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03-10-2023, 11:53 AM #68
The Twitter files revealed it isn't just private decisionmaking tho. The govt is actively conducting an organized campaign to influence these companies. If the FBI shows up and throws wieght around, people will cave and do what they say. It's literal Gestapo chit and it needs to stop. This is America. If we lose this, we lose everything. Any appearance of govt interference must be shutdown immediately. We already know the govt partners with them to steal data as revealed in wikileaks. We don't need them to be censoring us too.
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03-10-2023, 11:56 AM #69
Well I don’t really like the marriage of big business and big government, and history seems to indicate that the middle and lower class almost always get screwed when those two work together. Traditionally liberals have been opposed to this as well. Something seems to have changed over the past 10-15 years though.
Do you honestly think these corporations are working with govt. because they think it’s the right thing to do? No, they are doing it because the corporations(and politicians) stand to benefit from it.+positive crew+
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03-10-2023, 11:57 AM #70
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Ok now try this...
What IF the government paid these companies to manipulate and suppress data?
Government paid Twitter millions of dollars to censor info from the public
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...673473?lang=en
Government is still censoring info 'tard. And sugarcoating it under a layer of "Well so what, they all still had the right to say no" doesn't change anything."Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
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03-10-2023, 12:00 PM #73
Let me give it a shot:
Well as long as the companies had the ability to turn down the money then it isn’t really censorship.
And if that isn’t doing it for you then try this on “just lol at thinking a multibillion dollar company is going to be swayed by a few million”.+positive crew+
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03-10-2023, 12:00 PM #74
Yea and imagine if they didn't take the payment. Oops an IRS investigation.
Look at what happened to Trump. Nobody has ever been this sandbagged. They are throwing everything they can at him to get him for anything. Anything to stop him from taking the foreign policy establishment down.
Russiagate turned out to be a total farce. Everyone should be infuriated with our intel community. Yet the press is silent.
These are some scary G men we are talking about. Remember dems, the CIA is not your friend. These guys are always 1 hair away from fullblown fascism. They have done unspeakably terrible things in the name of "national security". Do not ever think they are on your team. They will use whatever party is in power to achieve their objectives.
Don't we all find it strange first it was the GOP pushing the PATRIOT ACT and then it was Dems? It's always whoever is in power. They are manipulated and tempted to expand that power. Just remember these people care dick about the constitution and our system is fragile without the balances and rights imposed by it. Neither party should be able to override it unilaterally.Last edited by TaiMaiSchutze; 03-10-2023 at 12:06 PM.
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03-10-2023, 12:01 PM #75
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"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
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"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
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03-10-2023, 12:02 PM #78
They don't have to cave though, they choose to.
I agree they sometimes shouldn't, but they don't care about any of this chit, they exist to make money.
There are also plenty of examples of companies taking the government to court (or "lobbying" LOL) when they are pushed too far, both when "asked" or required to by law.
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03-10-2023, 12:04 PM #80
Not all, but he was absolutely a train wreck of a president and probably launched a lot of this stuff off the ground. But to your point, the first time I voted was to vote against him so I voted for Kerry in 2004. Didn’t vote for McCain because he is just as bad as Bush or Obama. Didn’t vote for Romney due to the same reason. After 2004 didn’t vote again until I voted for Trump twice, and I still stand by my view that he was much better than Hillary would’ve been, and if he had stayed in office we would be much better off than with this decrepit shell of a man we have now. Sure there were issues with Trump, but overall much better than the alternatives.
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03-10-2023, 12:10 PM #81
Yeah but think of what the govt can do now. They can mobilize minions to socially cancel you. They can launch a billion investigations and tie you up in court. They can come raid your house and terrorize your family like they did to William Binney. And when push comes to shove, they could use NSA obtained info to blackmail you.
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03-10-2023, 12:10 PM #82
I don't think people are being consistent with the absolute that "the government should not be asking at all".
Standard Issue Retard - "I heard I'll be safe if I drink bleach"
Government - "Don't drink bleach, it's bad for you"
Absurd example for emphasis, but not that far off from what we're dealing with here.
So, as a baseline I think it's clear the government can ask, we're bickering over if they're asking the right things.
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03-10-2023, 12:12 PM #83
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03-10-2023, 12:16 PM #84
We all agree fundamentally. The govt should not be asking. We must stand up for that. The govt absolutely should make safe recommendations. That's their job. And a simple Q&A addressing common bs lies that they can debunk is fine. No censorship needed.
At the end of the day something like 10% of the population will always be crazy and reject the truth. They are whatever. We have to live with them. It's like that 1 retard that eats raw meat. It's like ok ur crazy and disgusting but whatever.Last edited by TaiMaiSchutze; 03-10-2023 at 12:22 PM.
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03-10-2023, 12:18 PM #85
Warning labels are already required for bleach(even if you put it in a squirt bottle in a public place it must have certain labels/warnings on it). That’s the extent of the governments role. If someone drinks bleach then it’s on the individual. And also, do you think it’s irresponsible for so many news agencies to say the president told people to inject bleach when that’s clearly not what he was talking about? Or how about saying “the president called nazis fine people” when he clearly said the exact opposite? Should someone step in, or just let the retards continue to believe the president said nazis are fine people?+positive crew+
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