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    Drug testing at work - any decent masking agents around??

    Yup - the company I work for have decided to impose it's draconian random drug testing policy. Now, as a long term bud toker I have reason to believe this is rather grim news for me. However, I do believe there may be some masking agents out there that can carry me through a drugs test as clean. MY question is - is there anyone out there that has tried any that actually worked? If so please let me know what brands are 100% effective, as it will help me fight the battle against my oppressive, fascist employer.

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    Re: Drug testing at work - any decent masking agents around??

    Originally posted by bollocks
    Yup - the company I work for have decided to impose it's draconian random drug testing policy. Now, as a long term bud toker I have reason to believe this is rather grim news for me. However, I do believe there may be some masking agents out there that can carry me through a drugs test as clean. MY question is - is there anyone out there that has tried any that actually worked? If so please let me know what brands are 100% effective, as it will help me fight the battle against my oppressive, fascist employer.

    Thanks.
    not to be pesimistic... but if you work for an employer that does drug testing you have 2 choices... 1. smoke pot and get caught... 2. stop smoking pot and keep yer job...

    Ive known plenty of people that tried masking agents, etc... but every one of them at one time or another has been caught offguard by a random drug test and has been fired. (4 friends of mine to be exact)...

    the choice is yours... just make the right one.
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    the only 100% effective way to mask pot in your urine is to shove several aspirin tablets as far up your ass as you possibly can....they will be absorbed locally, instead of in your stomach, travel to your bladder, and "mask" the THC in your urine. good luck.
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    xtra clean by detoxify and xxx by omni will do the trick.


    what kind of a notice do they give before testing?
    Did I offend you?
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    Originally posted by BMX-Pac
    xtra clean by detoxify and xxx by omni will do the trick.


    what kind of a notice do they give before testing?
    I'm not sure. Lets assume that they call me in one day with no warning (and I keep a bottle of that stuff stashed on my person at all times).
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    Originally posted by Needle Dick
    the only 100% effective way to mask pot in your urine is to shove several aspirin tablets as far up your ass as you possibly can....they will be absorbed locally, instead of in your stomach, travel to your bladder, and "mask" the THC in your urine. good luck.
    Oh really, adn you would know about anal medication?

    Anyhow, I believe that there is synthetic piss available somewhere on the net..
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    Urine Testing

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    THC is one of the "NIDA 5". The five drugs tested for in the standard NIDA approved drug test. It is standardly detectable in Urine for 48-72 hours after single use. Habitual or chronic use can be detected in urine for up to 12 weeks depending on quantity, duration, and frequency of use.


    Tetrahydrocannabinol is rapidly absorbed by inhalation and the gastrointestinal tract . It is almost completely metabolized. The predominant metabolite is 9-carboxy-11-nor-delta-9-THC, which found in the plasma, feces and urine along with other compounds. Very low concentrations of THC may be detected in urine during the initial several hours, but tetrahydrocannabinol persists in urine at a detectable concentration for many days after smoking.
    ---Onsite Drug Testing
    The standard THC test is a one step rapid, qualitative immunoassay for the detection of tetrahydrocannabinol compounds (11-nor-THC-9-Carboxylic Acid) in urine. The cutoff concentration for a positive result in an immunoassay test is 50 ng/ml as recommended by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) (NIDA). The cutoff for GC-MS is 15 ng/ml.

    Hair Testing

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    Cannabis use is detectable with hair tests and is generally included in the standard hair test. Hair tests generally take the most recent 1.5 inches of growth and use those for testing. That provides a detection period of approximately 90 days. If an individual's hair is shorter than 1.5 inches, this detection period will be shorter.


    Saliva Testing

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    In the past few years, new technologies have been developed which allow for saliva testing for the presence of Cannabis (THC). We do not currently have information about what the detection period is for these tests.


    Blood Testing

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    Cannabis is detectable in the blood for approximately 2-3 days after use in an infrequent user. Frequent use can be detected in the blood for approximately 2 weeks.


    Substances or Conditions which can cause false positives

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    Ibuprofen; (Advil, Nuprin, Motrin, Excedrin IB etc)
    Naproxen (Aleve)
    Ketoprofen (Orudis KT)
    Promethazine (Phenergan, Promethegan)
    Riboflavin (B2, Hempseed Oil)
    Kidney infection (Kidney disease, diabetes) Liver Disease
    Dronabinol (Marinol)
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    I posted a message the other day about using VISINE to cause false-negative
    POT PISS-TESTS. Well, I came down this morning and found that I was under a
    viaduct right near the university library, so I cleaned myself off a bit in
    nearby FOUNTAIN and ambled in for some further research. Here is a review
    of two articles concerning false-negatives through SPECIMEN alteration with
    EYE-DROPS and a bit of speculation about how to use this information.

    Please respond with COMMENTS or CRITICISMS.

    |--########>-- H-Man --<########--|

    [1] "Adulterants Causing False Negative in Illicit Drug Testing"
    Clinical Chemistry, Nov 1988, Volume 34, Number 11, p 2333-2336.
    Stephen L. Mikkelsen and K. Owen Ash

    [2] "Mechanism of False-Negative Urine Cannabinoid Immunoassay Screens by
    Visine Eyedrops"
    Clinical Chemistry, Apr 1989, Volume 35, Number 4, p. 636-638.
    Stephen D. Pearson, K. Owen Ash, and Francis M. Urry

    [1] describes the effects of 8 different urine-additives (table salt,
    Visine, handsoap, Drano, bleach, vinegar, goldenseal tea, and lemon juice)
    on the outcome of various drug tests. Every effective additive except
    Visine leaves an easily detected telltale sign: Drano, bleach and vinegar
    change the specimen's pH outside the normal range; goldenseal tea causes
    the specimen to turn brown; soap causes the specimen to become cloudy; and
    table salt forces the sample's relative density out of the normal range.
    Lemon juice did not affect the tests. The abstract notes: "Visine was the
    only adulterant not detected." [2] says that Visine does slightly reduce
    the urine sample's abaility to foam.

    Visine caused false negatives (EMIT d.a.u. assays) in the tests for
    benzodiazepines and marijuana, but did not change the test results for
    amphetamines, barbituates, cocaine, or opiates. 125 mL / L was the amount
    of Visine used per amount of urine specimen with 122 ug / L of
    9-carboxy-THC in the sample.

    [2] focuses on the use of Visine to prevent pot metabolite detection. Here
    is a table summarizing the effectiveness of varying concentrations of
    Visine:

    Visine concentration (mL / L) : 0 10 20 50 100 200 300
    Apparent 9-carboxy-THC concentration (ug / L) : 100 52 43 47 35 85 87

    (Note the positive test cutoff value is 50 ug / L 9-carboxy-THC).

    The interesting thing to observe is the effectiveness of Visine as THC
    metabolite masker decreases as its concentration goes up past a certain
    point. The same pattern occured with the TDx and Abuscreen assays (the TDx
    assay generated false negatives, but the Abuscreen assay's apparent
    metabolite value fell only to 52 ug / L). The lesson to be learned is the
    optimum amount of Visine to use is around 100 mL / L.

    The ingredients of Visine responsible for the blocking of the THC test are
    given as benzalkonium chloride (a preservative) and the borate buffer. The
    mechanisms of the borate buffer were not discussed, but "reduced
    availability of 9-carboxy-THC in urine samples adulterated with Visine is
    due in part to uptake of 9-carboxy-THC into benzalkonium chloride micelles."

    To use this information to your advantage, figure that the standard urine
    specimen is 60 mL. At 100 mL / L Visine recommended, this means 6 mL of
    Visine would cut the observed 9-carboxy-THC almost two-thirds. Visine comes
    in 15 mL and 30 mL bottles. For advice on how to add the adulterant, read
    Abbie Hoffman's book on piss-testing, _Steal this Urine Test_. Use of other
    methods (such as diluting your urine by frequent water drinking) should be
    researched. Adding adulterants can be risky and should be seen as a
    last-ditch effort if you're caught with your pants down, so to speak.
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    From: ACombs@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Alan B. Combs)
    Newsgroups: alt.drugs
    Subject: Re: VISINE to beat POT PISS-TESTS pt. 2
    Date: 24 Aug 1993 02:37:04 GMT
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    >
    > The ingredients of Visine responsible for the blocking of the THC test are
    > given as benzalkonium chloride (a preservative) and the borate buffer. The
    > mechanisms of the borate buffer were not discussed, but "reduced
    > availability of 9-carboxy-THC in urine samples adulterated with Visine is
    > due in part to uptake of 9-carboxy-THC into benzalkonium chloride micelles."
    >

    If this is the mechanism and it becomes established, there probably would
    be a street market for Zephirin aqueous. It comes highly concentrated, and
    it is used as an antiseptic/surgical scrub, etc. The concentrate would
    have
    to be diluted appropriately. There are several less concentrated alcoholic
    sprays and tinctures. I suspect the alcohol would be quickly detected,
    however.
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    Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 12:10:21 -0600 (CST)
    From: Farfo
    Subject: How to Piss and Pass
    Sender: ALCOHOL & DRUG STUDIES
    Message-id: <01GXGP2PBBHE8ZGCO3@YMIR.CLAREMONT.EDU>

    I found the majority of this information through contact with NORML
    in Washington. IT is summarized, organized (mildly), and reprinted
    here without permission.
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    How to Piss and Pass
    - - ----=-=-<=======>-=-=----- - -

    * Washing your system - How much water and for how long?
    In an emergency you can start drinking water as soon as one hour before
    the test, 4-6 hours is recommended. There is no known universal dosage,
    but you should be urinating so often it is ridiculous. One drawback
    is that watery urine is produced. Sometimes urine is rejected on the
    basis of its color alone. Taking B-complex vitamins will help keep
    the urine yellow.

    * Drinking vinegar does not work.

    * Urinaid is one additive that works every time. Pour the contents of
    the vail into your sample during the collection procedure. Don't
    drink it! This method will not work on RIA - it won't pass military
    tests.

    * Visine does not work.

    * Powdered urine from Byrd Labs works fine for those not sure about
    the integrity of a friends sample. Prepare ahead of time, directions
    are included.

    * Niacin and Golden Seal have shown encouragement, but they are
    inconsistant. This urinator would not chance it.

    * Don't rely on the ibuprofen alibi. Anyone who has taken enough
    ibuprofen to cause a false positive above the 100ng cut-off (impossible)
    can rest assured: The GC/MS confirmation tests will confirm that it is
    indeed ibuprofen.

    * The length of time or a THC positive varies. The average time for the
    regular user is less than two weeks. Water is a good method for these
    people, as insurance. An infrequent user should not have to worry
    after a couple of days.

    * Substitution is the most interesting and challenging approach. IF you
    really hate the Bladder Cops, this can be quite gratifying. If you are
    using a friend's urine, be sure you know what drugs they have taken over
    the last month. There is no definitive test for amphetamines, OTC
    remidies such as Contac and Alka-Seltzer are notorious. If you don't
    list it, most any drug can get you into just as much trouble. For any
    substitution be prepared to give 60cc. Also be sure it falls within the
    91-97 degree temperature range. Most often the test containers have a
    tape on the side indicating the samples temp. Whatever the container,
    it must open quietly. Toilet paper is a convienient, provided,
    insulator. Many collections require that you change into a `gown.'
    By using a vial or condom taped to the inner thigh, you can get around
    the gown as well as the temperature requirement. Most importantly -
    practice! Practice until you have made it a fine art. a woman with a
    shirt can fake urination even with an observer in the room. A man with
    his back to an observer can do just as well. Abbie Hoffman suggested a
    few drops of urine on the seat or on ones shoe as an added measure of
    authenticity.

    * If you can't pass the test - screw over the chain of custody. This
    involves safety seals, signatures and treating your urine like serious
    stuff. Act nervous. Sign the papers differently in different places.
    Initial the wrong place and then scribble it out. If the official is
    not paying attention, mark in the `do not mark' areas. These papers are
    reviewed before analysis, if they are inconsistant, your sample will be
    voided.

    * If you fail the test, Raise hell. A urine test gone wrong can make a
    passive person rabid. Don't take it to court. It is virtually impossible
    to win a case, especially in pre-employment. All positive samples are
    kept in the labs for two years.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Urinaid and Powered Urine are both available through Butterfield-Jay
    Foundation, P.O. Box 57214, Oklahoma City, OK 73157. For more
    information call (405) 521-URINE. A machine will answer. Calls will
    be returned collect. Two samples for $25 or ten for $100, for both
    products.

    NORML operates a Drug Testing & Information Hotline. The charge is
    $2.95 per minute. 900-97-NORML
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    Fooling the Bladder Cops

    During a job interview, have you ever been asked to piss for your new
    employer? New applicants for any of the Fortune 500 corporations are now
    being forced to take a drug test. If you don't want to be a victim in the
    drug war, read on!

    This privacy violation costs businesses $1.2 billion for urinalysis of
    their workers. The military is notorious for their strict drug tests. Drug
    testing violates peoples 4th amendment right prohibiting unreasonable
    searches, and your 5th amendment right protecting you from incriminating
    yourself. Until this unconstitutional drug testing frenzy is put to an
    end, people need to learn how to protect themselves from the piss test.

    It is important to know how much of the THC metabolites are in your
    urine. The chart below will give you an approximation; however, it varies
    depending on whether you're a regular marijuana user, or just starting. If
    you use marijuana for the first time, your urine may be clean of
    metabolites in less than a week. 100 nanograms per milliliter of THC
    metabolites defines a "positive." Even second hand [marijuana] smoke will
    raise someone to this level.

    % 100% *(0 days, 100%) Halflife THC concentration = 7 days
    T %THC means delta % THC metabolites in bloodstream
    H 90% 21 - 28 days'll do-ya
    C
    80%

    70%

    60%

    50% * (7days,50%)

    40%

    30%
    * (14days, 25%)
    20%
    * (21days,12.5%)
    10%
    * (6.75%)
    0% * 3.375 * 1.687%
    0 days 7days 14days 21days 28days 35days 42days
    (time)

    False Positives:
    No laboratory process is completely free from error. There are some
    false positives you should avoid. Ibuprofen is a common pain reliever has
    caused false positives for marijuana use. However, it takes very high
    doses of Ibuprofen to test positive. The GC/MS(3) tests can distinguish
    between Ibuprofen and THC. Poppy seeds [Usually on breads] lead to false
    positives for opiates. Cold remedies and diet pills result in false
    positives for amphetamine use in one third of the test samples given to 40
    of the countries leading laboratories.

    Flush your system out:
    Hyper saturating your body with fluids like water, and diuretics like
    coffee, cranberry juice, and beer will dilute metabolites possibly below
    the 100 ng/mL threshold. Start doing this the night before the test, and
    drink as much as you can possibly stand. If you have short notice, take an
    80 milligram dose of prescription diuretic lasix (furosemide). WARNING!
    -Diuretics can be harmful to people with kidney problems, pregnant women,
    and diabetics.- There is a myth that drinking vinegar or taking
    phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim's active ingredient) will work. They don't.
    Washing your system out will make your urine watery, and samples have
    been rejected on the basis of color alone. Color your sample yellow by
    taking 50 to 100 milligrams of vitamin B-2 (found in B-complex vitamins).
    This will also help if you plan to dope your sample (explained later).

    Give a clean sample:
    Don't give urine from your first urination of the day. It's the
    dirtiest, and can be heavily filled with metabolites. Urinate a couple of
    times before giving a test sample.

    Drug Screens:
    Some chemicals will mask traces of drugs in urine. Two products, Test
    Free and Naturally Klean, claim to clear any drug testing for a few hours
    after taking. The companies recommend abstaining for a day or two and
    drinking lots of fluids. Both companies claim to have FDA safe ingredients
    although they are secretive about the formula. You can contact the
    companies at:

    Test Free-Zydot Unlimited Inc.,
    9485 Tulsa OK 74157
    918/ 747-2400

    Naturally Klean-Houston Enterprises,
    PO Box 27776, Tempe AZ 85285
    602/ 968-0773

    Naturally Clean herbal tea also claims to be an effective product in
    defeating urine drug tests for pot and other drugs. It is consumed shortly
    before a test. A sample can be obtained for a $20 shipping and handling
    charge by calling 800/447-4692.

    Zinc Sulfate, available from pharmacists and in a health product Zinc
    Challenge, should be taken twice, once the night before and once a few
    hours before the test in 250-milligram doses. WARNING! -Don't take anymore
    than this because of potential toxic effects.- Take zinc sulfate in the
    morning when loading up on fluids for the test. Avoid taking in too many
    solids because it may dampen the effect of the chemical.

    Doping samples:
    This is a last resort method. You are going in to take the test, and
    haven't taken any of the previous steps. Doping samples consists of
    spiking the sample with different chemicals. Most of these methods only
    work on the standard EMIT(1) test, not on RIA(2) or GC/MS(3) tests.

    If you are subject to random tests, you will want to carry Urine Aid in
    your wallet. Just pour it into the sample. Urine Aid works every time for
    masking pot, but not cocaine or heroin. Urine Aid can be ordered from:

    Butterfield-Jay Foundation
    P.O. Box 57214
    Oklahoma City, OK 73157
    405/ 521-URINE
    A machine will answer. Calls will be returned collect. Two samples for
    $25 or ten for $100, for Urine Aid or Powdered Urine (discussed later).
    They'll Fed-Ex it next day for an extra $10.
    Dilute your sample heavily with water. Be sure to use water between 91
    and 97 degrees, they may take the temperature of the sample. Six to ten
    drops of bleach detergent or blood added to the sample will test negative.
    Draino and vinegar will also test negative. If you are searched prior to
    the test, bear in mind that a few bleach or Draino crystals can be
    concealed under the fingernails. Be warned that Draino, Bleach, and
    vinegar change the pH outside the normal body range, and this can be
    detected if pH is tested. Niacin and Golden Seal Tea have shown to work on
    occasion. Golden Seal turns the specimen brown, and some labs are
    reportedly testing for Golden Seal. Liquid soap, or a teaspoon of salt
    will test negative, but these crude methods are detectable. Soap makes the
    specimen cloudy. Table salt puts the density out of normal range. Lemon
    juice is a myth; it will not change the test results. Visine supposedly
    works the best among household products. They can only su ct that you used
    Visine due to inability of the sample to foam. Visine is a false negative
    on the EMIT1 tests for benzodiazepines and marijuana. The needed ratio of
    Visine is 125 mL/L.

    Substitution:
    You can substitute someone else's urine. Gender and approximate age of
    the sample can be detected, so take care when choosing a urine donor. Also
    be sure to keep the sample between 91 and 97 degrees. You may be required
    to change into a gown. A condom holding the sample and taped around the
    thigh can be concealed under the gown. Ask your urine donor what drugs
    they've taken in the last month. They may have taken a false positive, and
    before the test, the tester may ask you to list everything you've taken.
    If you don't trust your friends sample, you can get powdered urine from
    Byrd Labs or Butterfield-Jay Foundation. This must be prepared ahead of
    time.
    Abbie Hoffman, author of "Stealing This Urine Test," suggested leaving
    a few drops of urine on the seat or on your shoe for as "an added measure
    of authenticity."

    You Fail:
    If you fail the test, raise hell. Failing the drug test has been known
    to make a quiet person become tenacious. You will be interviewed by a
    medical review official (MRO), who would try to find out why you tested
    positive. Laura Gibson, a medical doctor on the internet, tested positive
    and was not hired. She had a poppy seed bagel that morning, not knowing it
    was a false positive. She fought it to the point where they just decided
    to throw out the results and hire her anyway. But don't go take it to
    court. It's virtually impossible to win this case.
    There is a usenet 'Just-Say-No-To-Piss-Tests Project' keeping an
    updated list of companies that invade your privacy. If you have first
    person experience with a company, you can report it to .
    They will provide bad publicity for the company by adding it to the list.
    They also maintain a list of companies that respect your privacy, and you
    can also add to that list.
    NORML operates a Drug Testing & Information Hotline. The charge is
    $2.95 per minute. 900/ 97-NORML

    BIBLIOGRAPHY-- Found
    floating through the bandwidth, and most everyone chose to remain anonymous
    anyway. A majority of it is just compiled WWW text for alt.drugs,
    condensed into the methodology of defeating the test.


    (1)EMIT test: Enzyme Multiplied Immunoassay Technique
    (2)RIA test: Radio ImmunoAssay
    (3)GC/MS test: Gas Chromatography/ Mass Spectrometry (used in the military)
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    While NORML strongly opposes drug use on the job, we think no one should be forced to submit to urine testing, especially for marijuana. Aside from launching a legal challenge, your best defense against urine testing is to be clean. Unfortunately, this may be difficult since urine tests may detect marijuana 1-5 days after an occasional use, 1-3 weeks in regular users, and 4-6 weeks in multiple daily users. Since urine tests do not detect the psychoactive ingredient of marijuana, THC, but rather other, nonactive metabolites, they in no way measure impairment; nonetheless, this fact is of no account to employers in today's anti-drug hysteria. If you are on the job market, it is prudent to expect being tested and avoid marijuana. However, recognizing that many of you may face drug testing on short notice, we offer the following advice for emergencies with our best wishes (but no promises!).


    DON'T RELY ON EXCUSES: Although urine tests are far from infallible, it is difficult to challenge positive test results. "False positives," in which workers are wrongfully accused of marijuana use, are highly unlikely so long as labs exercise proper care (however, not all labs do this). The standard procedure is to first screen the samples with an immunoassay test (e.g., EMIT® or RIA®), then confirm positive results with the more accurate gas chromatograph mass spectrometer (GCMS). This virtually eliminates the chance of false positives in exchange for a relatively high rate of "false negatives," where drug use is not detected. The sensitivity of the test is determined by the concentration of metabolites it is set to detect: for the Dept. of Transportation, the standard cutoff is 50 nanograms/milliliter (ng/ml).

    No substance is known to produce a false positive for marijuana. It used to be that ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, Nuprin) interfered with the marijuana test, but this problem has been fixed. A variety of over-the-counter medicines can cause false positives for amphetamine and other illicit drugs on the EMIT test, but not on the GCMS.

    "Passive smoking" of marijuana is not an acceptable excuse at the 50 ng/ml level, since only in extreme circumstances can a non-smoker absorb enough pot to test urine positive (e.g., being stuck in a closet full of heavy smokers for hours). However, passive exposure may result in positive tests at 25 ng/ml or lower.


    WASH YOURSELF OUT: The general strategy for passing urine tests is to increase your fluid intake and urine flow so as to dilute the concentration of drugs in the sample below the threshold of detection. An hour or two before the test, you should fill your bladder with fluids - as much as you can drink. Water is fine - contrary to popular rumor, there is NO evidence that goldenseal, vinegar, niacin, or vitamin C help. However, high-dosage aspirin may reduce the sensitivity of the EMIT urine test for pot (only). Many people wash themselves out for several days in advance by drinking a lot and exercising, but there is no reason to think this is useful. In no case should you give your first urine of the morning, since drug metabolites tend to build up during your sleep.

    While you're loading up on water before the test, you may also want to take a large dose (50-100 milligrams) of vitamin B-2, available in B-complex multivitamins. The purpose of this is to color your urine yellow, since otherwise you are likely to produce clear, watery urine, which makes some collectors suspicious (contrary to rumor, vitamin C won't help). In rare instances, some labs will reject a sample for being too watery; in this case, however, they will typically give you a second chance. Wait until your test results have been confirmed before indulging in compromising behavior.

    You can boost your fluid output by taking diuretics, which stimulate urination. Weak diuretics include coffee, cranberry juice, certain health food products and over-the-counter pills for pre-menstrual water retention.

    If you're taking the test on very short notice, you may wish to resort to more potent diuretics, which are widely prescribed to treat high blood pressure. Although strong diuretics, such as furosemide (Lasix®), are available only on prescription in the U.S., they can be had over-the-counter in Mexico and other foreign countries. Beware that they can be dangerous for certain persons, such as diabetics or pregnant women, and can cause problems if taken over extended periods. Diuretics can be detected in urine, but are rarely checked except for athletes. The following regime has been suggested by a former army drug testing officer (Robert Freeman, "How to 'Beat' a Drug Test," High Times, Aug. 1988): Take an 80-milligram dose of Lasix; take a hefty drink of water; piss two or three times, then take the test. If you're lucky and didn't smoke too much pot, a good washout may get you past a test on a couple days' notice. However, regular smokers should allow at least a week or two if at all possible.


    DRUG SCREENS? It has been suggested that the ingestion of certain substances might alter body chemistry so as to disguise drug use. Although many products are currently being marketed as drug screens in head shops, High Times ads, etc., few have any solid scientific basis. Activated charcoal, a common detoxifier, might help lower metabolite levels a bit in long-term users if taken over the course of some days or weeks. It has been suggested on theoretical grounds that lecithin, a food emulsifier, might also be useful if taken over extended periods, but this hasn't been proven. A number of high-priced herbal teas and powders are promoted as urine cleansers, with no good medical rationale. While some users have reported remarkable success with them, many others have not. Independent experiments suggest that it may be water dilution, not the screen itself, that accounts for success.


    TAMPERING: While urine dilution is useful, it isn't 100% reliable, especially for heavy daily users. Another tack used by some people is to tamper with the sample by adding adulterants or substituting clean urine for their own. Ethical issues aside, tampering is risky since subjects may be observed or made to disrobe beforehand, and cheating isn't forgiven. For the adventurous, Abbie Hoffman's book Steal This Urine Test has full instructions on how to rig yourself up with a plastic bag to substitute clean urine. You can buy clean, dehydrated urine from Byrd Labs. Beware however that labs check to make sure the temperature of urine samples is right (around 91-97ƒ).

    Another trick to foil the test is to spike the sample with an adulterant. This approach should be used only as a last resort, since any adulterant can be chemically detected if labs take the trouble to do so. A number of adulterants cause negatives on the commonly used EMIT test, but not necessarily other tests. In an emergency, you might fool an EMIT test by adding a few drops of Visine® to the sample. Other common adulterants include detergent, bleach, salt, and the cleaning solution glutaraldahyde, but most of these are easily detected by smell or visual inspection. A host of commercial adulterants are on the market (for advertisements, see High Times). Among the more popular are Klear® and Whizzies®. No additive is 100% reliable, and all involve a substantial risk of detection. Many drug testing companies claim to test for adulterants, though it isn't clear how carefully.

    Many drug testing aids are advertised with money-back guarantees if you test positive. BEWARE: guarantees do not assure good test results! Vendors often exaggerate product reliability and ignore customer complaints.


    BLOOD TESTS: In some situations, including accidents and roadside sobriety checks, blood tests may be used. Blood tests are a much better gauge of current impairment than urine tests because they detect the actual presence of THC in the system; however, they can be sensitive to other metabolites as well. Blood tests generally register positive for just a few hours after smoking, though heavy chronic smokers may be positive for a couple of days. Less sensitive are saliva tests, which register positive for about 2-4 hours after smoking. If you have used marijuana in the last few days but are not currently under the influence, you should insist on a blood (or saliva) test instead of a urine test if at all possible, since you are more likely to turn up clean. On the other hand, if you have smoked recently, you may do better to take a urine test, since this will at least leave open the question as to whether you were under the influence. Also, urine doesn't turn positive until several minutes after smoking.


    HAIR TESTS: An ominous new technology is hair testing, which is supposed to detect drug use for months, or however long one's hair has been growing (Skinheads note: samples can be taken from any part of the body!). While hair tests are highly sensitive to cocaine, their sensitivity to pot is not well established. Not all employers who use hair tests check for marijuana. Hair testing is racially biased against Africans, being much more sensitive to thick, dark hair than to light, fine hair. Although the FDA and scientific community have been critical of hair testing, that hasn't stopped employers from using it. Hair tests may be influenced by shampoo: one test found hair treated with Head & Shoulders® (Fine/Oily), Neutrogena®, and Rave® displayed lower drug concentrations than with Pert® (Oily/Fine) or Prell® (Normal, Normal/Oily).
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    hows that?


    any questions feel free to ask and I will help elaborate.
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    Originally posted by decypheredbeats
    hows that?


    any questions feel free to ask and I will help elaborate.

    do you expect a pot head to read all of that?

    j/k, bro
    Did I offend you?
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    Originally posted by BMX-Pac
    do you expect a pot head to read all of that?

    j/k, bro
    LMAO
    Actaully some of the smartest people I know are potheads, you'd be real surprised
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    Originally posted by decypheredbeats
    LMAO
    Actaully some of the smartest people I know are potheads, you'd be real surprised
    How long u been smokin'?
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    Originally posted by bollocks
    How long u been smokin'?
    I only puff occasionally now, due to lower finances and ill only smoke that dank **** (expensive), but since I was 12 and now im 20.

    I love weed
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    i've passed no less than 10 tests
    after drinking Sonny's 7.

    You can get it at most health food stores.
    Its and absorbent.

    Drink 1/4 bottle 3 hrs before the piss test.

    It failed me one time because I procrastinated
    taking the test beyond the 3 hrs.
    I threw a fit and demanded a second test.
    Made sure I didn't screw up the time
    and passed.
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    There's this hype about hair tests that all you have to do is have short hair (almost a buzz cut) and you can rather put alot of conditioner in your hair and leave it on the night before the test, and they won't be able to trace the "deposites" of THC. Or you can have a short hair cut, and wash your head thoroughly with bleach night before test, and it'll nutralize THC deposites.
    Are these just myths? or has anyone actually attempt and succeed?
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    Originally posted by decypheredbeats
    LMAO
    Actaully some of the smartest people I know are potheads, you'd be real surprised
    LOL They may be smart but can they keep their focus for all that????
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    Though there are a lot of ways to fool the drug test, they will be able to detect that your results were abnormal (that you messed with the results). So you won't test positive, but you won't really test negative, either. You may be called in to do it again, or they may forget it. If they give you a day's notice, you could possibly borrow someone's urine who is sober. Some agencies will have to watch you piss, others just let you go into the restroom and not turn on the water.
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    Originally posted by desiredeffect22
    LOL They may be smart but can they keep their focus for all that????
    Actually back in highschool, I never smoked before or durin school hours. Anyways when I got into senior year, I smoked 20 minutes before school started and durin lunch. Guess what? I was soo focused on that one thing, studyin... takin notes, readin quickly, most things that were given to us for mental work I was able to do not only accurately, but a lot quicker than I was sober. Now maybe if you're the type that always giggles, or goes to sleep soon after smokin.. then you should just stay away from it, obviously you have no control over yourself in that condition.
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    Originally posted by Tamacracker
    Actually back in highschool, I never smoked before or durin school hours. Anyways when I got into senior year, I smoked 20 minutes before school started and durin lunch. Guess what? I was soo focused on that one thing, studyin... takin notes, readin quickly, most things that were given to us for mental work I was able to do not only accurately, but a lot quicker than I was sober. Now maybe if you're the type that always giggles, or goes to sleep soon after smokin.. then you should just stay away from it, obviously you have no control over yourself in that condition.
    The only thing I can focus on after I smoke Is music or a good movie. I hated school and never smoked before It so I don't really know how focused I'd be in class. Some people are just more relaxed when they smoke and therefore can focus/pay attention better when there high.
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    Originally posted by desiredeffect22
    The only thing I can focus on after I smoke Is music or a good movie. I hated school and never smoked before It so I don't really know how focused I'd be in class. Some people are just more relaxed when they smoke and therefore can focus/pay attention better when there high.
    Yup that's true I'm more like the relaxed type, to me it feels like it makes things more enhanced: taste of food, video games, movies, concentration, etc...
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    Depending on how much time you have you could bust your ass with cardio and do a quick cutting diet, then about two days before the test start eating everything in site. Most important is the meal the night before and before the test, they have to be big with lots of fats and carbs. This will keep you from burning your THC saturated stored fat, instead you'll be burning all of your newly digested calories. Drink lots of water until the day of the test so that your not holding to many fluids. Depending upon how thorough they test you could drink a bunch of water before and this should dillute the sample. Problem is that a lot of people (not necessarily employers) test for tampering. If you have drunk to much water before the test you will test clean but your specific gravity will be off and they may not accept the sample. Forget about over the counter cleansing agents, they are all crap.
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    Piss tests are easy to pass.. just use Certo, go to a local grocery store, look for the isle with peanut butter/jelly/jam and look for a blue box, it's gelatine, you mix it with fruit juice to make the jello or jam.. but anyways you mix it with a gallon of cold water within the hour, then drink another gallon with that stuff within 2 hours, before bed... piss all night if you must, next mornin drink water till you piss clear. It's a recruiter's secret... cheap, easy, harmless, and full proof 100%. I passed the drug test done by the MEPS, for the NAVY.
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