Incels... who is to blame?

[stfubrother23]

Ok, but you're describing a 3/10. (You)

Have you tried approaching 3/10 women irl?

Of course i bloody haven't why would i want to make myself look a mug and get rejected by a 3/10 whale. Man i swear you guys who have it sorted have no idea what its like to live in my shell. No clue whatsoever.

Ironically i was describing my dad. I dont wear glasses and im bald unlike him. That should knock off another point so im a 2/10

[legbroke]

Of course i bloody haven't why would i want to make myself look a mug and get rejected by a 3/10 whale. Man i swear you guys who have it sorted have no idea what its like to live in my shell. No clue whatsoever.

Ironically i was describing my dad. I dont wear glasses and im bald unlike him. That should knock off another point so im a 2/10

I get hayzeus's reasoning in asking the question, but that 5'8" pretty much automatically makes you 3/10 is part of the problem because for women, 3/10 is like really rough face, some chick who doesn't take care of herself, or obese as opposed to be slightly shorter than average for men.

Feels like there's a good chance that you're settling for both looks and personality if you go that route.

[Rebel012]

In 1990, one in 15 dudes wasn't getting any action. Today it's one in 3.

Most of today's incels would have been fine as 90s brahs.

Do you have a source for the 1/20 stat? Regarding the rise in male loneliness, that can't be fully attributed to dating apps. There are also a large number of men who find more comfort in video games and porn, eho lack social skills and aren't trying to self improve at all.

Is the new culture partially responsible? Sure. But there are other factors that are the men's fault as well. I was at a university bar a week ago and this commerce undergrad came up to the bar, started shooting the chit with me. He was maybe a 5/10 in the face. He was with a group of hot girls, 7s, and he said he'd already smashed them all and was looking for new ones.

The doomsday scenario incels like to paint isn't upon us, at least not yet.

[esmile]

It’s really becoming an issue isn’t it lol. Lots of incels these days. Kids are pussies that’s why. If people didn’t care about stupid **** so much incels wouldn’t be a thing. If you value meaningless ****, you’re more prone to be depressed/anxious/etc because you don’t meet everything everyone else cares about- but if you have a idgaf attitude you are free from mental slavery and more likely to be your natural self (not awkward) which no matter if you’re bald, short, fat, ugly, stinky, pimply, or whatever- people will respect.

[Ratfish]

i blame moggers stealing all the heavily-armed gals before i get a chance to smash

[sg1976]

Wtf is a normie? Sounds like ****git talk lol. I’m so glad I didn’t have to deal with this retardation when dating.

[BigBallsMcgee]

Do you have a source for the 1/20 stat? Regarding the rise in male loneliness, that can't be fully attributed to dating apps. There are also a large number of men who find more comfort in video games and porn, eho lack social skills and aren't trying to self improve at all.

Is the new culture partially responsible? Sure. But there are other factors that are the men's fault as well. I was at a university bar a week ago and this commerce undergrad came up to the bar, started shooting the chit with me. He was maybe a 5/10 in the face. He was with a group of hot girls, 7s, and he said he'd already smashed them all and was looking for new ones.

The doomsday scenario incels like to paint isn't upon us, at least not yet.

There are way more guys who use games and porn to cope AFTER rejection than get rejected because of those things. You have the causality backwards

And your story is meaningless as usual. We have data on this. Over 40% of young men are never getting laid or only barely every blue moon. This men are not going to find anyone

[eod8989]

There are way more guys who use games and porn to cope AFTER rejection than get rejected because of those things. You have the causality backwards

And your story is meaningless as usual. We have data on this. Over 40% of young men are never getting laid or only barely every blue moon. This men are not going to find anyone

My gf is always stressed from work so i basically just started gaming (my PC is literally like $12k) and lift. Been doing this since 2017. I've mentioned it before but there is really not much else to do. People just want to work and come home and scroll apps and netflix lol. So what else can you really do lol

[NoBrokies]

Heavily introverted crew

If I wasn't, I would SLAY

[stfubrother23]

Some of the responses here are out there I have to say. Like glasses and acne, and an introverted personality, cannot be the reason you never get laid or get a relationship, not if you want to badly enough.

WOOOWW another muppet who thinks my observation is trash. You have no idea what its like to live in my skin bro. I thought the misc was Based. What im seing is " JuSt bE ConFiDEnt Bro " Its like most of you chads/tyrones giving advise are in total delusion to how the world is seen through our eyes. Most of us will self delete because we have no roots in this worldand men in general are seen as disposable. We are viewed as ugly, creepy, incels who can't get women and have no social life.

Most of you will say " Just go with a 3/10 " Well guess what boyos there standards are higher than a 6 because you kunts keep getting them off dating apps for a easy lay. You have to understand the levels at play and most of you don't which is concerning because when you have men struggling out here you wont have any empathy. Most of you will look down on your uncles, sons, brothers, cousins for not getting with a woman even though he's a 5/10.

Oh and for the people saying i should pay ££££'s to sort my problems out are a fking joke aswell. What do you expect me to do, get height surgery eh, get a hair transplant that needs money maintenance ehh, what about fixing my acne scars..... Acne always comes back because its GENETIC BRO. Im fked in life i know how this ends breh.

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[sg1976]

There are way more guys who use games and porn to cope AFTER rejection than get rejected because of those things. You have the causality backwards

And your story is meaningless as usual. We have data on this. Over 40% of young men are never getting laid or only barely every blue moon. This men are not going to find anyone

Because most men are expecting women to sleep with them randomly. If they would work on relationships they could get laid a lot more often.

[HayZues Christi]

i blame moggers stealing all the heavily-armed gals before i get a chance to smash

Sorry bro

[sg1976]

Sorry bro

You really no how to send the weirdos over the edge.

[notbadnotbrad]

WOOOWW another muppet who thinks my observation is trash. You have no idea what its like to live in my skin bro. I thought the misc was Based. What im seing is " JuSt bE ConFiDEnt Bro " Its like most of you chads/tyrones giving advise are in total delusion to how the world is seen through our eyes. Most of us will self delete because we have no roots in this worldand men in general are seen as disposable. We are viewed as ugly, creepy, incels who can't get women and have no social life.

Most of you will say " Just go with a 3/10 " Well guess what boyos there standards are higher than a 6 because you kunts keep getting them off dating apps for a easy lay. You have to understand the levels at play and most of you don't which is concerning because when you have men struggling out here you wont have any empathy. Most of you will look down on your uncles, sons, brothers, cousins for not getting with a woman even though he's a 5/10.

Oh and for the people saying i should pay ££££'s to sort my problems out are a fking joke aswell. What do you expect me to do, get height surgery eh, get a hair transplant that needs money maintenance ehh, what about fixing my acne scars..... Acne always comes back because its GENETIC BRO. Im fked in life i know how this ends breh.

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Lmao no one half decent is banging 3s idiot

They are all yours srs

You just don’t make an honest effort

[Rebel012]

WOOOWW another muppet who thinks my observation is trash. You have no idea what its like to live in my skin bro. I thought the misc was Based. What im seing is " JuSt bE ConFiDEnt Bro " Its like most of you chads/tyrones giving advise are in total delusion to how the world is seen through our eyes. Most of us will self delete because we have no roots in this worldand men in general are seen as disposable. We are viewed as ugly, creepy, incels who can't get women and have no social life.

Most of you will say " Just go with a 3/10 " Well guess what boyos there standards are higher than a 6 because you kunts keep getting them off dating apps for a easy lay. You have to understand the levels at play and most of you don't which is concerning because when you have men struggling out here you wont have any empathy. Most of you will look down on your uncles, sons, brothers, cousins for not getting with a woman even though he's a 5/10.

Oh and for the people saying i should pay ££££'s to sort my problems out are a fking joke aswell. What do you expect me to do, get height surgery eh, get a hair transplant that needs money maintenance ehh, what about fixing my acne scars..... Acne always comes back because its GENETIC BRO. Im fked in life i know how this ends breh.

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More nonsense. I don't consider "3s" to be viable sexual prospects, so I'm not pulling them off apps and I doubt actual "Chads" are either (I'm not a chad for the record). Why would they when they can easily get 6s?

This is some fantasy tale you guys told yourselves and then started believing it at some point to rationalize your sexless lives. I guarantee there is a looksmatched woman out there for you. If you don't want to approach and put in effort ok, but don't claim it's because they're all waiting for Chad.

[HayZues Christi]

Of course i bloody haven't why would i want to make myself look a mug and get rejected by a 3/10 whale. Man i swear you guys who have it sorted have no idea what its like to live in my shell. No clue whatsoever.

Ironically i was describing my dad. I dont wear glasses and im bald unlike him. That should knock off another point so im a 2/10

Oh boo hoo you might get rejected? Lmao

It's always the same with you guys. Too fragile to handle rejection. WEAK.


I've smashed ~100 women in my lifetime. You know how many I tried and failed? Thousands.

[littlemissy]

Can we get a visual scale of a 1 through 10 so I can understand what a 3 incel looks like?

[HayZues Christi]

Can we get a visual scale of a 1 through 10 so I can understand what a 3 incel looks like?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChouShins...814976?lang=en
I'd say the Asian dude to our left if the fat white guy in the California Santa Cruz sweatshirt is a 3. The white guy 3 to the right of him as well.

[notbadnotbrad]

Can we get a visual scale of a 1 through 10 so I can understand what a 3 incel looks like?

3/10 vs 9.5/10

[NoBrokies]

3/10 vs 9.5/10

This is BS man. Blundetto had an IQ of 158... all the nuns were raving about it

[Muzzlrpress]

Another contributing factor imo is the fact that online echo chambers exist. There was no community you could log into and get affirmation that you're genetically doomed before. Now you have guys that will rule out anything said by a "normie", regardless of that "normie's" personally experiences.

Many seem to only want to hear conformation on their own conclusions, not advice that may help. A general writing attitude seems common as well. "I'm gonna x or die trying" isn't their mantra. After a ton of losses, they determine a win is impossible.

If we normies dare mention someone we know well irl that is average/ugly, short, that manages to have coitus, we're treated like liars.

[Rebel012]

There are way more guys who use games and porn to cope AFTER rejection than get rejected because of those things. You have the causality backwards

And your story is meaningless as usual. We have data on this. Over 40% of young men are never getting laid or only barely every blue moon. This men are not going to find anyone

Yeah, you somehow know that's the reason most guys turned to pron and video games? Take a look at eods' post below to see a counter example to that claim (guy has a gf yet still rots). And how much rejection and self improvement do you think those guys went through before throwing in the towel? Pure conjecture on your part, as is your claim that the 40% of men who happen to be sexless at this point in time will never find anyone ever.

[Guyfawkes1010]

WOOOWW another muppet who thinks my observation is trash. You have no idea what its like to live in my skin bro. I thought the misc was Based. What im seing is " JuSt bE ConFiDEnt Bro " Its like most of you chads/tyrones giving advise are in total delusion to how the world is seen through our eyes. Most of us will self delete because we have no roots in this worldand men in general are seen as disposable. We are viewed as ugly, creepy, incels who can't get women and have no social life.

Most of you will say " Just go with a 3/10 " Well guess what boyos there standards are higher than a 6 because you kunts keep getting them off dating apps for a easy lay. You have to understand the levels at play and most of you don't which is concerning because when you have men struggling out here you wont have any empathy. Most of you will look down on your uncles, sons, brothers, cousins for not getting with a woman even though he's a 5/10.

Oh and for the people saying i should pay ££££'s to sort my problems out are a fking joke aswell. What do you expect me to do, get height surgery eh, get a hair transplant that needs money maintenance ehh, what about fixing my acne scars..... Acne always comes back because its GENETIC BRO. Im fked in life i know how this ends breh.

I

Most people are, and really almost everyone, REALLY bad at being able to see any other perspective than their own. But that sounds hollow so I will put it another way. Most people are incapable of having the lived experience of another unless they actually live it. We are all generally stuck inside our own perspectives of life which fall into a few predefined groups.

There a word for when we do break through that barrier, and its so impactful its regarded as an almost religious experience. An epiphany.

Its really a tragedy of life I've only really recently begun to understand myself.

[BigElephant]

My height lmao. The simps don't help either. I only consider 6/10s and up, most of those women won't even look at a 5'6" male. I do have an attractive face though, so I'm confident I could have more options if I were 5'10" or taller.

The other answer is myself. I have severe OCD as well as social anxiety so I don't put myself into social situations. It's not just that though, I just don't enjoy most social situations so I mainly just hang out with family members and a very small circle of friends. So there are things out there I could do to hypothetically give myself more options, I just don't have the desire to do so as I feel that the probability of good returns is not high.

I blame my mentality in the past (HS and college). It would have been much easier to get to know females especially in HS where there is forced proximity and interaction and I could have built up a rapport and gotten to know them without pressure and then initiated romance. Now my only options are pretty much cold approach in a much worse environment given the state of women in 2022.

In short it's partly 2022 society, partly past inaction, partly present unwillingness to force myself into social behavior that I wouldn't enjoy. The main issue is my height though.

[littlemissy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChouShins...814976?lang=en
I'd say the Asian dude to our left if the fat white guy in the California Santa Cruz sweatshirt is a 3. The white guy 3 to the right of him as well.

They're dorky looking but I don't see them not being able to find life partners that would make them happy.

I don't think incels put in enough effort into what is realistic and rather just blame everyone else.

[Guyfawkes1010]

Another contributing factor imo is the fact that online echo chambers exist. There was no community you could log into and get affirmation that you're genetically doomed before. Now you have guys that will rule out anything said by a "normie", regardless of that "normie's" personally experiences.

Many seem to only want to hear conformation on their own conclusions, not advice that may help. A general writing attitude seems common as well. "I'm gonna x or die trying" isn't their mantra. After a ton of losses, they determine a win is impossible.

If we normies dare mention someone we know well irl that is average/ugly, short, that manages to have coitus, we're treated like liars.

In the same way you accuse them of generalizing and having a reductive mindset, so too have you. Youve reduced all of them and their personal experiences down to 'hurrr they dont try enouf hurrr'.

For example I have never ONCE gone to an incel community forum/reddit/etc anything. And yet the more I have read about what they think (minus the woman hating thats a false path) the more it coincides with my own experiences. So outside of those communities influences we have come to similar conclusions. Youre trying to put the horse before the cart and say the community exists because it exists. However thats not how communities form. The reality comes first, then they come together. THEN maybe you can say they influence each other to some other degree. But the core basis remains.

And ONCE AGAIN. Physical traits are not the whole sum of reasons one is an incel. I have posited multiple times its a genetic behavioral problem. We are defective and woman can sense it.

[Muzzlrpress]

They're dorky looking but I don't see them not being able to find life partners that would make them happy.

I don't think incels put in enough effort into what is realistic and rather just blame everyone else.

Would you fuk them?

[littlemissy]

Would you fuk them?

Are you calling me their looks matched?

The 3 that HayZues posted - the white guy reminds me of my old roommate after college. Dude was not a looker but he was social and put himself in situations where he just played the numbers game and had friends to golf with. He used to bring home randoms ALL THE TIME. I was pretty mind blown at the amount of @$$ that guy pulled in to where it just became a joke of how many I could count within a month.

So, I know firsthand it's not always looks. He also did not discriminate. Sometimes he would bring a cute one home, sometimes they'd be uggo or a biggum. It didn't matter to him.

[Guyfawkes1010]

The example of your life that you gave earlier ITT can be easily one-upped by others ITT, who are now in a much better situation.

If you choose not to play the game of life, that's on you.



For someone who is constantly crying about how "no one sees my viewpoint", you certainly, and adamantly refuse to see any viewpoint besides yours.

And that is why you are an incel.

1. I gave you the counterpoint to your argument (or whoever it was) that having a hard life is not the recipe for overcoming inceldom.

2. No I understand the argument, and have considered it at great length. However I reject it as being a superficial argument from those who have put little or no thought or perspective into it themselves. Its not 100% wrong there are of course SOME who fall into that category. But that is not true inceldom, those are just lazy ****gets.

Would you fuk them?

Of course not, a woman can NEVER be or understand incels. Its literally impossible. It goes against biology and human behavior in all aspects. A woman can know whats its like to be an uggo, or weird, or both. But even then those woman can find a viable mate for them. It can be something close to inceldom, but its not the same.

[Muzzlrpress]

In the same way you accuse them of generalizing and having a reductive mindset, so too have you. Youve reduced all of them and their personal experiences down to 'hurrr they dont try enouf hurrr'.

For example I have never ONCE gone to an incel community forum/reddit/etc anything. And yet the more I have read about what they think (minus the woman hating thats a false path) the more it coincides with my own experiences. So outside of those communities influences we have come to similar conclusions. Youre trying to put the horse before the cart and say the community exists because it exists. However thats not how communities form. The reality comes first, then they come together. THEN maybe you can say they influence each other to some other degree. But the core basis remains.

And ONCE AGAIN. Physical traits are not the whole sum of reasons one is an incel. I have posited multiple times its a genetic behavioral problem. We are defective and woman can sense it.

I said many, not all. A lot of it is mental, I absolutely agree. The great thing about humans is we find workarounds for things. Behavioral therapy, pills, a really great wingman, etc.. I've seen pictures of dudes saying they're incels that look better than me imo. Some are just weight loss away from Chad status.


But defective? Unless you're a legit psychopath, I just can't buy into that. Not unless there's something seriously medically wrong with you.