Pretty much everyone should be using a rifle for home defense

[LinuxJon]

Dead fkkn Srs

It doesn't matter if you're highly trained or can barely hold a gun, almost everyone is significantly more accurate with a rifle under stress.

It doesn't matter if you're comparing cheap .223 FMJ to the absolute best Gucci 9mm defensive HP, the rifle has significantly better terminal ballistics and effectiveness.

The only downside is maneuverability. And the odds of you getting into a CQB in your hallway is fractionally as likely as you having marksmanship struggles in open space when the adrenaline dumps.

[bsrkoacar2]

I have an AR with like 5 30 round mags loaded in my bedroom. Always one chambered.

[Jasonw1178]

12G Shotgun and it's not even a question. Don't get me wrong, I'm an AR guy, and I love my Glocks, but if given a choice close quarters and my life depends on it, it's the Mossberg 500. Even if you miss, you still might hit. If you do hit, even directed to a non vital area, you'll still really knock a chunk off them taking them out of the fight. Hit them square on, they are done. Even if they have body armor on where it doesn't pernitrate, the punch from the hit will hurt them pretty bad.

I've seen too many "handgun fights" where they get hit multiple times and it doesn't stop them. They die later but not before injuring or killing the other guy. Rifles sometimes they don't even know they are hit and keep fighting. I'm not saying that will happen every time, but it happens way too often for comfort.

[Antoine99]

Dead fkkn Srs

It doesn't matter if you're highly trained or can barely hold a gun, almost everyone is significantly more accurate with a rifle under stress.

It doesn't matter if you're comparing cheap .223 FMJ to the absolute best Gucci 9mm defensive HP, the rifle has significantly better terminal ballistics and effectiveness.

The only downside is maneuverability. And the odds of you getting into a CQB in your hallway is fractionally as likely as you having marksmanship struggles in open space when the adrenaline dumps.

You need an anti-tank rifle, gobble up that 14.5mm ammo while it's cheap

[JonnyB1106]

12G Shotgun and it's not even a question. Don't get me wrong, I'm an AR guy, and I love my Glocks, but if given a choice close quarters and my life depends on it, it's the Mossberg 500. Even if you miss, you still might hit. If you do hit, even directed to a non vital area, you'll still really knock a chunk off them taking them out of the fight. Hit them square on, they are done. Even if they have body armor on where it doesn't pernitrate, the punch from the hit will hurt them pretty bad.

I've seen too many "handgun fights" where they get hit multiple times and it doesn't stop them. They die later but not before injuring or killing the other guy. Rifles sometimes they don't even know they are hit and keep fighting. I'm not saying that will happen every time, but it happens way too often for comfort.

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[TimeTravelerBro]

Jakes on you, my shotgun will cave thier whole chest in

[LinuxJon]

12G Shotgun and it's not even a question. Don't get me wrong, I'm an AR guy, and I love my Glocks, but if given a choice close quarters and my life depends on it, it's the Mossberg 500. Even if you miss, you still might hit. If you do hit, even directed to a non vital area, you'll still really knock a chunk off them taking them out of the fight. Hit them square on, they are done. Even if they have body armor on where it doesn't pernitrate, the punch from the hit will hurt them pretty bad.

I've seen too many "handgun fights" where they get hit multiple times and it doesn't stop them. They die later but not before injuring or killing the other guy. Rifles sometimes they don't even know they are hit and keep fighting. I'm not saying that will happen every time, but it happens way too often for comfort.

I can promise you that people don't get hit by 5.56 at home defense range and not know it. lol

[LinuxJon]

Jakes on you, my shotgun will cave thier whole chest in

The success rate of a center-mass hit from either 12ga buckshot or 5.56 FMJ is probably 99.9%

The question is why you want <10 rounds of something that has a boatload of recoil over 30 rounds of something that has almost no recoil when the effectiveness is near equivalent.

[FAPhaggot]

12G Shotgun and it's not even a question. Don't get me wrong, I'm an AR guy, and I love my Glocks, but if given a choice close quarters and my life depends on it, it's the Mossberg 500. Even if you miss, you still might hit. If you do hit, even directed to a non vital area, you'll still really knock a chunk off them taking them out of the fight. Hit them square on, they are done. Even if they have body armor on where it doesn't pernitrate, the punch from the hit will hurt them pretty bad.

I've seen too many "handgun fights" where they get hit multiple times and it doesn't stop them. They die later but not before injuring or killing the other guy. Rifles sometimes they don't even know they are hit and keep fighting. I'm not saying that will happen every time, but it happens way too often for comfort.

A shotgun at point blank would be phuckin brootal.

[PHXNick]

I have a CZ Scorpion for my old lady to use if I'm not home. If I am home it's going to be an 870 12 gauge with 00. My AR is mostly a range toy but could get drafted into service for a SHTF scenario.

[Jasonw1178]

I can promise you that people don't get hit by 5.56 at home defense range and not know it. lol

But does it debilitate them to the point it takes them out of the fight? They are slashing at you with a knife or shooting with another gun a few seconds can me a lifetime for you. However in your situation you don't want to accidently hit your big ass dog or maybe one of your multiple cats.

[blissful88]

I love how OP fedbrah makes these posts just to bait you all into sharing what weapons you own for blacklisting purposes


You'll be among the first ones the Liberals confiscate from

[Antoine99]

All you need for HD

[OptimusTrajan]

For most people, yes.

Most people can't shoot for chit. Truthfully, most people shouldn't be within 200 feet of a firearm.

[elterrible987]

But does it debilitate them to the point it takes them out of the fight? They are slashing at you with a knife or shooting with another gun a few seconds can me a lifetime for you. However in your situation you don't want to accidently hit your big ass dog or maybe one of your multiple cats.

you can google 5.56 wound, the wounds are pretty big, you can get them off in quick succession and you can have a "pistol" for the time being that can hold 30 rounds.

[Antoine99]

How loud is a 12g shotgun fired indoors compared to a 5.56 rifle? I heard a shotgun isn't as damaging to your hearing because it's a more dull booming sound unlike an AR or something which is super loud, what are the decibels like for different shotgun loads?

[LinuxJon]

But does it debilitate them to the point it takes them out of the fight? They are slashing at you with a knife or shooting with another gun a few seconds can me a lifetime for you. However in your situation you don't want to accidently hit your big ass dog or maybe one of your multiple cats.

Yes.



Start at about 5:10 to about 6:45

Cliffs: the amount of blood lost from a close range rifle wound is going to be lights out extremely quickly.

[Jasonw1178]

you can google 5.56 wound, the wounds are pretty big, you can get them off in quick succession and you can have a "pistol" for the time being that can hold 30 rounds.

Compared to 12G buckshot at close range. It's not even about what it looks like. There are statistics and studies about this and every one of them points to the 12G shotgun as being #1.

Think about this. The Germans who used chemical weapons in WWI wanted shotguns banned from warfare due to how nasty they were when US troops came and cleared their tranches with them. So basically they felt they are WMD's or at least felt it was an unfair advantage in close quarters combat.

[PHXNick]

Yes.



Start at about 5:10 to about 6:45

Cliffs: the amount of blood lost from a close range rifle wound is going to be lights out extremely quickly.

It most likely will, but not always. During my first deployment to Iraq we engaged a couple of IED emplacers after they mistimed their detonation. We followed the command wire in the truck back to some hills and then dismounted. We found them and engaged at fairly close range. One of them went down pretty quick from a headshot but the other took quite a few (some near-center mass) before he couldn't hold up his AK anymore.

Granted, that was one occasion and 5.56 was plenty effective on other occasions. If you can really nail center mass and get lungs and spine you're golden. But a one shot drop is far from guaranteed otherwise, and if you can be precise enough to hit that sweet spot then a PCC saves you even more on noise and recoil.

Edit to add that we're talking about 30 yards or so for those emplacers, so my anecdote may not be entirely apropos to the topic of home defense. It definitely informs my approach to it, though.

[LinuxJon]

It most likely will, but not always. During my first deployment to Iraq we engaged a couple of IED emplacers after they mistimed their detonation. We followed the command wire in the truck back to some hills and then dismounted. We found them and engaged at fairly close range. One of them went down pretty quick from a headshot but the other took quite a few (some near-center mass) before he couldn't hold up his AK anymore.

Granted, that was one occasion and 5.56 was plenty effective on other occasions. If you can really nail center mass and get lungs and spine you're golden. But a one shot drop is far from guaranteed otherwise, and if you can be precise enough to hit that sweet spot then a PCC saves you even more on noise and recoil.

Edit to add that we're talking about 30 yards or so for those emplacers, so my anecdote may not be entirely apropos to the topic of home defense. It definitely informs my approach to it, though.

Thanks for your service, brah. That's actually a damn interesting thing to hear. Wonder how difference m193 ballistics are at 30 yards vs ~7

Compared to 12G buckshot at close range. It's not even about what it looks like. There are statistics and studies about this and every one of them points to the 12G shotgun as being #1.

Think about this. The Germans who used chemical weapons in WWI wanted shotguns banned from warfare due to how nasty they were when US troops came and cleared their tranches with them. So basically they felt they are WMD's or at least felt it was an unfair advantage in close quarters combat.

I'm not arguing a shotgun isn't extremely effective. I've just seen what most people look like attempting to control recoil and get back on target for any follow up shot. lol

Me:


Everyone I ever take to the range:


Lol

[MoeBettuh]

OP is right, AR for HD is #1. Shotgun is fine in limited situations, but on the whole, AR has more advantages, imo.

[PHXNick]

Thanks for your service, brah. That's actually a damn interesting thing to hear. Wonder how difference m193 ballistics are at 30 yards vs ~7

I appreciate it. Yeah, the additional distance might make a significant difference, and there's also the possibility those guys were expecting to get found and drugged up to fight it out. I wouldn't suggest anyone else use it as a data point in their home defense decision, but it's why I keep the 870 at hand. An ounce and some change of lead at 1200 fps is going to be catastrophic if it hits anywhere in the torso.

[OptimusTrajan]

Thanks for your service, brah. That's actually a damn interesting thing to hear. Wonder how difference m193 ballistics are at 30 yards vs ~7l

We haven't officially used M193 since the 1980s.

[northernlights7]

I don't think you have much to worry about, breh. I'm pretty sure most intruders would be scared off by your dogs/half dozen cats and such if they made it in the house. Lawd have mercy on their souls if they dared enter your back yard and faced the wrath of your barnyard animals such as the chickens/roosters that will turn into fighting cawks when seeing the unwelcomed guest.

[Goat_187]

[Kev1972]

Shotgun but with a bunch of rusty nails in the barrel too.

If the slug doesn't get them the tetanus pincushion will.

[Uhyeahokay]

What kinda thermal imaging scope do you use with them, Catbrah?

[NitrogenWidget]

I don't think you have much to worry about, breh. I'm pretty sure most intruders would be scared off by your dogs/half dozen cats and such if they made it in the house. Lawd have mercy on their souls if they dared enter your back yard and faced the wrath of your barnyard animals such as the chickens/roosters that will turn into fighting cawks when seeing the unwelcomed guest.

i'd think it would be the smell of animal and black mold that would keep people at bay.

[EDcellent]

I'd rather have a shotgun for home defense overall. I mean yeah if I get zerg rushed by a mass amount of people I'd rather have my rifle, but for one or two burglars, scatter gun.

Or use my suppressed FNX while LARPing as the Hitman.

[GainzMcgee]

this fucking cia honeypot thread
fuck off OP