Is it ever justified to fire a guy based on his work performance after only 1 month?

[johnnydeep1]

I work as a engineer.



This one guy used to work in the HR department. He worked full time + he was completing his masters degree in psychology. After his masters, he planned to do a ph.d. He seemed like a smart guy. He got a full ride scholarship to our local university as well. When I saw him work, he seemed very focused on his job. We eventually developed a friendship. He got fired after only a month of work. He was also applying for a ph.d program/



I asked one foid why he was fired and she told me that the guy never did his work correctly and never caught up quick enough. I mean, he was only there for like 1 month though, and seemed like he could do the job with his level of experience/degrees (the person who held the job formally had only an associates degree.) I never even saw his co workers offer him that much help, nor did he ask them for much help at all. Thats why I was shocked when I heard the news that he got fired.



Seems justified to you? Thoughts?

[HarryfromCali]

Dude has a useless degree and isn't doing adequate quality or even timely work, sounds about fair they let him go

[LethalGunz34]

Maybe his work ethic just sucked? I’d rather hire someone with work ethic and willing to learn than someone with an MBA.

[JayJ350]

I wouldn't hesitate unless I really liked the guy.

[johnnydeep1]

Dude has a useless degree and isn't doing adequate quality or even timely work, sounds about fair they let him go

Ph.d is psychology is useless?

Becoming a psychologist and earning 100K+ is useless?

[TallTigerTwo]

Not sure. Depends on the job. My coworkers told me when I was a new hire that it could be a few years before I really felt comfortable doing the job…but it’s complex and requires a lot of communication and analytical skills. If he didn’t have the experience but seemed like the right fit, I would have held out longer and maybe surrounded him with the right kind of workers.

[iamanalphamale]

Depends on the job/employer - can you go back to your contract & see what their clause is towards hiring and firing?

The hospital I work at is an "At-Will" Employer and I, and anyone else working here, can be fired for any number of reasons w/o be given a warning(s).


Is that something your job is?

[iloveus]

Yes it is justified

Hire slow fire fast

[OT2000]

Ph.d is psychology is useless?

Becoming a psychologist and earning 100K+ is useless?

In 2022, yes.

[whogotmuhbeers]

Dude you think a college degree makes a person smart and or a good worker?

Your friend is going for his phd because he’s most likely terrible at everything in life except school.

[johnnydeep1]

Yes it is justified

Hire slow fire fast

Its going to be a pain in the ass to get a new employee though.

There are job opening signs everywhere and major labor shortages. Not sure if they could find anyone better tbh.

[basedcap]

Yeah 1 month of ****ting the bed is more than enough to justify a firing especially for a more senior position where you should know your ****

[AlwaysFocus]

Ive had people fired after I first meet them.

[Voidgaze]

Dude you think a college degree makes a person smart and or a good worker?

A lot of "educated" Americans think this way though.

[johnnydeep1]

Dude you think a college degree makes a person smart and or a good worker?

Your friend is going for his phd because he’s most likely terrible at everything in life except school.

Its just a basic office job. He seemed to do a decent job at work. Someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence, should be able to do that work. I never heard him ask for much help and never saw other employees offer him much help either. I never saw him go through much of a training process or someone sit with him at his cubicle at all. If it really WAS his performance, he should have been offered more help imo. I rarely saw anyone help him.

That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone.

[AlwaysFocus]

Dude you think a college degree makes a person smart and or a good worker?

Your friend is going for his phd because he’s most likely terrible at everything in life except school.

OP is an engineer, probably makes shot calls from the desk without understanding the field

[DeadlyStriker]

Dude you think a college degree makes a person smart and or a good worker?

Your friend is going for his phd because he’s most likely terrible at everything in life except school.

Pretty much. Also depends on the work environment.

My workplace can deal with mistakes and not picking things up right away because there is a lot to remember and understand off the bat. However my boss will not tolerate guys that don't work hard. The amount of college grads and summer help from college kids I had to teach how to work hard was pretty angering. But usually they give me the reigns to teach these kids how to be a man and I whip them into shape.

So do I think 1 month is too early? Yes. But sometimes there are just signs they see that they know the person is not worth the effort to train. Some just aren't cut out.

[johnnydeep1]

OP is an engineer, probably makes shot calls from the desk without understanding the field

I mean its just a basic office job. Not rocket science. He seemed to do a decent job at work. Someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence, should be able to do that work. I never heard him ask for much help and never saw other employees offer him much help either. I never saw him go through much of a training process or someone sit with him at his cubicle at all. If it really WAS his performance, he should have been offered more help imo. I rarely saw anyone help him, nor did I see him ask questions. He also had years of prior work experience.

That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone.

[johnnydeep1]

Pretty much. Also depends on the work environment.

My workplace can deal with mistakes and not picking things up right away because there is a lot to remember and understand off the bat. However my boss will not tolerate guys that don't work hard. The amount of college grads and summer help from college kids I had to teach how to work hard was pretty angering. But usually they give me the reigns to teach these kids how to be a man and I whip them into shape.

So do I think 1 month is too early? Yes. But sometimes there are just signs they see that they know the person is not worth the effort to train. Some just aren't cut out.

True, what if he could catch on with training? It is an entry level position after all.



Its just a basic office job. Someone with a reasonable amount of intelligence, should be able to do that work. I never heard him ask for much help and never saw other employees offer him much help either. I never saw him go through much of a training process or someone sit with him at his cubicle at all. If it really WAS his performance, he should have been offered more help imo. I rarely saw anyone help him.

That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone.



I mean with this red hot economy (low unemployment, labor storages etc.) it seems like its going to be hard to find another worker to fill the position. I guess he must have been really bad!

[EasternHammer]

There are different reasons to fire someone, of course. If we're talking solely on the quality of their work, firing after 30 days is IMO premature and reflects poorly on the employer. That indicates a lack of training and commitment to developing skilled workers. Now, if the person in question is simply unprofessional and does not seem to want to improve, that's different. But even then, how were these issues not seen during the hiring process?

[johnnydeep1]

There are different reasons to fire someone, of course. If we're talking solely on the quality of their work, firing after 30 days is IMO premature and reflects poorly on the employer. That indicates a lack of training and commitment to developing skilled workers. Now, if the person in question is simply unprofessional and does not seem to want to improve, that's different. But even then, how were these issues not seen during the hiring process?

Agree. The guy seemed willing to learn, barely talks or wastes time, well focused etc. From what I saw , he always worked alone, with no one else there to help him.

Its probably the employers in this case.

[TheFitLord]

Just because someone has an advanced degree doesn’t mean they’re high IQ. I knew a guy with a ph.D who had a 115 IQ and he couldn’t distinguish between fifty percent and five percent. If I asked him which was fifty percent, 0.5 or 0.05, he would always pick 0.05

The guy you knew was probably dumber than he let on, and you thought he was smart because of his degrees.

[dontstopbelief]

Well generally no unless you are God awful.

[johnnydeep1]

Just because someone has an advanced degree doesn’t mean they’re high IQ. I knew a guy with a ph.D who had a 115 IQ and he couldn’t distinguish between fifty percent and five percent. If I asked him which was fifty percent, 0.5 or 0.05, he would always pick 0.05

The guy you knew was probably dumber than he let on, and you thought he was smart because of his degrees.

I'm not saying that he is a rocket scientist with a 130+ IQ. That said, this is a basic, entry level office job that does not require an extraordinary IQ.

He also seemed laser focused, and highly motivated to do well at the job. He would turn down conversations to do work(one of the only ppl at the office who would do this.) He was always on time.That said, I don't know the full story, but from what I saw, he just needed more time. Perhaps he did or said something to upset someone. That would make more sense, but was unlikely to be the case from I heard. He seemed like a hard worker who was willing to learn.

Also, a 115 IQ is just fine. I would rather take a guy with a 115 IQ, who is educated and holds a good job/contributes to society over some loser with a 130 IQ who does nothing all day, works a chit job , has no education and brags about their IQ all day on r/mensa(pretty much where all the delusional narcissists go)

[saltypits]

Most places have a 90 day probation period where you can let someone go for no reason at all and not provide any severance.

[johnnydeep1]

Most places have a 90 day probation period where you can let someone go for no reason at all and not provide any severance.

I think its a 6 month period for most jobs, not even 90 days.

[Godfrd824]

Ph.d is psychology is useless?

Becoming a psychologist and earning 100K+ is useless?

Everyone here except for you makes more than $100k, and yes, psychology is useless.

[johnnydeep1]

Everyone here except for you makes more than $100k, and yes, psychology is useless.

Statistically, almost no one makes over 100K before they turn 30.

90% of ppl on the misc. also claim to have 7 inch penises even though only 3% of the male population has a dick that long.

[Duckliver]

Minimum wage makes it a necessity.

In an ideal world he could make Pennies while training then bank when he’s competant.

Minimum wage always hurts the unskilled labor market

[neilsabo]

Virtually every company I've worked for has made it clear that after your first 90 days, you will get a performance review which may result in your termination if they determine you weren't a good hire

Although in my experience it's typically been a formality for people who weren't autistic... Like literally "how did you even get past the on-site" levels of incompetence required to actually get let go