UFC Fight Night: Kattar vs. Emmett

[q0c0p]

Something is bothering ismagulov's eye. He keeps wincing. Broken orbital?

[iwant2beswole]

looks like he took no damage.. that jab was deadly

[q0c0p]

Honestly they need to change that knee rule. One FC got it right.

[Barteh]

Honestly they need to change that knee rule. One FC got it right.

"Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea." are illegal.

Nor the ref nor the commentators talked about it but I think it as actually an (accidental) throat strike. Which would make it illegal.

[sooby]

Ismgulov have tourettes?

i noticed that, he's always doing some weird thing with the side of his face

[q0c0p]

"Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea." are illegal.

Nor the ref nor the commentators talked about it but I think it as actually an (accidental) throat strike. Which would make it illegal.

Yeah that knee happened pretty quick and they barely even showed the replay so I get it. but just in general they need to change that rule

[Barteh]

Yeah that knee happened pretty quick and they barely even showed the replay so I get it. but just in general they need to change that rule

That for sure. The Yan vs Aljo example is a great one. A knee to the head in that situation should be legal. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing soccer kicks and foot stomps but I can see how that's not a realistic expectation.

Didn't the rule get changed recently though? I think the whole standing up and touching the ground with just one finger isn't a thing anymore.

[q0c0p]

That for sure. The Yan vs Aljo example is a great one. A knee to the head in that situation should be legal. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing soccer kicks and foot stomps but I can see how that's not a realistic expectation.

Didn't the rule get changed recently though? I think the whole standing up and touching the ground with just one finger isn't a thing anymore.

I'm not sure even. The rules are all fuked up and different state to state (or did they unify all the rules? Who fuking knows lol). But yes for soccer kicks too. They probably think it's too vicious for tv but damn is it fun

[q0c0p]

Buckley better not gas. He throwing hard. Also looks like he has his timing down

[Barteh]

I'm not sure even. The rules are all fuked up and different state to state (or did they unify all the rules? Who fuking knows lol). But yes for soccer kicks too. They probably think it's too vicious for tv but damn is it fun

I'm 99% sure not all states have adopted the unified rules. Just make everything that's not dirty like fishhooking and eye poking etc. illegal and call it a day. I love a (T)KO like Coleman vs Vovchanchyn. You don't wanna get your skull caved in by knees? Don't get into that position.

[Barteh]

Good stoppage. That eye was shut.

[Mr.PissShivers]

Tim's nose looks broke as fuk, lol.

[q0c0p]

Big mouth has an insane frame for that weight class. But I just cant see him winning against the elite wrastlefukers

[chalup]

most evenly matched fight of both talented guys ive seen in a long time.

[PrimarisIn]

solid fight

[Schnitzl]

I'm surprised at the lack of comments on this one. This card was easily card of the year if not the past 3 years. ufc 199 was sort of similar with so many finishes.

[bfdehewdbyywhn]

I'm surprised at the lack of comments on this one. This card was easily card of the year if not the past 3 years. ufc 199 was sort of similar with so many finishes.

I missed all the fights except for the last

card started early

[MinisterOfLust]

solid fight

I thought Katar won that fight. His jab was on point. , but judges are blind so I am not surprised.

[Gainzzz]

Kattar lost the fight because one judge scored the 4th round for Emmett, what a fkin joke. It's a stretch to call it a robbery because it was very close overall, but the fact that he lost because one incompetent retard gave a round that he clearly won to Emmett, JFL.



Kattar bettors on suicide watch.

[PrimarisIn]

I missed all the fights except for the last

card started early

Missed out on 9 performances of the night

[Barteh]

Kattar lost the fight because one judge scored the 4th round for Emmett, what a fkin joke. It's a stretch to call it a robbery because it was very close overall, but the fact that he lost because one incompetent retard gave a round that he clearly won to Emmett, JFL.



Kattar bettors on suicide watch.

I didn't see the main but the amount of strikes landed is not a judging measure at all. Besides that I think it's just a random neckbeard counting strikes live.

[Gainzzz]

I didn't see the main but the amount of strikes landed is not a judging measure at all. Besides that I think it's just a random neckbeard counting strikes live.

When the fight is primarily a boxing match, which this fight was, the guy who outlands the other guy almost 2:1 should win the round.

I know what you're saying, because just looking at stats doesn't tell you how damaging the strikes were or whether there were any knockdowns and chit, but the guy who lands more generally does and should win the round, especially when it's double.

I know you didn't watch it but Kattar landed the bigger & cleaner strikes, double the amount of strikes overall, and stuffed 2 takedowns. He definitely won R4.

[Barteh]

When the fight is primarily a boxing match, which this fight was, the guy who outlands the other guy almost 2:1 should win the round.

I know what you're saying, because just looking at stats doesn't tell you how damaging the strikes were or whether there were any knockdowns and chit, but the guy who lands more generally does and should win the round, especially when it's double.

I know you didn't watch it but Kattar landed the bigger & cleaner strikes, double the amount of strikes overall, and stuffed 2 takedowns. He definitely won R4.

Generally yeah. The big difference for me is when there's a strike which clearly wobbles a guy or the obvious knockdown. I'm not doubting your personal judgement and I hear most people think Kattar won the 4th but I just really dislike the use of stats in discussions like this.

It gets more complicated when it turns more into kickboxing instead of just boxing. How often have we seen a guy land a lot of damaging leg kicks in the first round, end up finishing the opponent later in the fight as a direct result from that, but the judges didn't give him the first round. Obviously the guy who landed the leg kicks has more effective striking.

[Cartiac]

When the fight is primarily a boxing match, which this fight was, the guy who outlands the other guy almost 2:1 should win the round.

I know what you're saying, because just looking at stats doesn't tell you how damaging the strikes were or whether there were any knockdowns and chit, but the guy who lands more generally does and should win the round, especially when it's double.

I know you didn't watch it but Kattar landed the bigger & cleaner strikes, double the amount of strikes overall, and stuffed 2 takedowns. He definitely won R4.

I can't disagree with this more. Not only is it clearly against the official judging criteria of boxing and MMA, it encourages cowardliness and the complete opposite of fighting. Do you really want to see Olympic boxing style matches with two people standing as far away from each other as possible trying to out touch each other like girls and boys on a kindergarten playground? I am perfectly happy with one solid punch/kick that knocks the opponents head back winning a round over 100 jabs that don't have any impact or intent to finish the fight. The scoring is defined that way for a reason, to prevent cowards from weaseling out wins by faking the appearance of fighting thinking throwing tons of air jabs hoping no one will notice they are too scared to get close enough to throw a real punch and run away with more air jabs if the opponent does attempt to close the distance to actually engage in a fight.

I agree if Kattar won any round it was the fourth but to claim that one judge not giving him that round is why he lost you clearly have some unreasonable bias towards Kattar as if you are going to breakdown the scorecards you have to explain how two judges gave Kattar the second that Emmett clearly dominated.

[Gainzzz]

I can't disagree with this more. Not only is it clearly against the official judging criteria of boxing and MMA, it encourages cowardliness and the complete opposite of fighting. Do you really want to see Olympic boxing style matches with two people standing as far away from each other as possible trying to out touch each other like girls and boys on a kindergarten playground? I am perfectly happy with one solid punch/kick that knocks the opponents head back winning a round over 100 jabs that don't have any impact or intent to finish the fight. The scoring is defined that way for a reason, to prevent cowards from weaseling out wins by faking the appearance of fighting thinking throwing tons of air jabs hoping no one will notice they are too scared to get close enough to throw a real punch and run away with more air jabs if the opponent does attempt to close the distance to actually engage in a fight.

I agree if Kattar won any round it was the fourth but to claim that one judge not giving him that round is why he lost you clearly have some unreasonable bias towards Kattar as if you are going to breakdown the scorecards you have to explain how two judges gave Kattar the second that Emmett clearly dominated.

He didn't clearly dominate round 2 though. If you believe that, you're in the minority. Pretty much everyone agrees that the first two rounds could have gone either way. Emmett dominated the 3rd round and Kattar clearly won the 4th & 5th. As I said in my first post, it was a very close fight overall and that's why no one is calling it a robbery. However, the 4th round wasn't close and one judge went full retard which cost Kattar the fight. That is just a fact. There is no bias.

In terms of scoring, I said it's GENERALLY true that the guy who lands more wins the round. Again, mostly referring to this fight, where the difference was 2:1. There are times where one guy lands more but loses the round because he got blasted by bigger shots or dropped or something, sure. I used the stats as an example for this fight specifically because I assumed people had watched the fight and that's obviously not what happened here.

The scoring criteria is based on common sense. It does not force fighters to fight in a specific way. All it says is that a power shot is more valuable than a jab/leg kick. The jab/leg kick are legitimate weapons and if you don't like it I would say that's your problem.

[sooby]

I can't disagree with this more. Not only is it clearly against the official judging criteria of boxing and MMA, it encourages cowardliness and the complete opposite of fighting. Do you really want to see Olympic boxing style matches with two people standing as far away from each other as possible trying to out touch each other like girls and boys on a kindergarten playground? I am perfectly happy with one solid punch/kick that knocks the opponents head back winning a round over 100 jabs that don't have any impact or intent to finish the fight. The scoring is defined that way for a reason, to prevent cowards from weaseling out wins by faking the appearance of fighting thinking throwing tons of air jabs hoping no one will notice they are too scared to get close enough to throw a real punch and run away with more air jabs if the opponent does attempt to close the distance to actually engage in a fight.

I agree if Kattar won any round it was the fourth but to claim that one judge not giving him that round is why he lost you clearly have some unreasonable bias towards Kattar as if you are going to breakdown the scorecards you have to explain how two judges gave Kattar the second that Emmett clearly dominated.

He didn't clearly dominate round 2 though. If you believe that, you're in the minority. Pretty much everyone agrees that the first two rounds could have gone either way. Emmett dominated the 3rd round and Kattar clearly won the 4th & 5th. As I said in my first post, it was a very close fight overall and that's why no one is calling it a robbery. However, the 4th round wasn't close and one judge went full retard which cost Kattar the fight. That is just a fact. There is no bias.

In terms of scoring, I said it's GENERALLY true that the guy who lands more wins the round. Again, mostly referring to this fight, where the difference was 2:1. There are times where one guy lands more but loses the round because he got blasted by bigger shots or dropped or something, sure. I used the stats as an example for this fight specifically because I assumed people had watched the fight and that's obviously not what happened here.

The scoring criteria is based on common sense. It does not force fighters to fight in a specific way. All it says is that a power shot is more valuable than a jab/leg kick. The jab/leg kick are legitimate weapons and if you don't like it I would say that's your problem.

I agree with Gainzzz. Round 1 and 2 could have realistically gone either way, nobody would be mad if it was scored either or. But one judge scoring round 4 for Emmett was absolutely phucking retarded and it cost Kattar the win, 100%. I don't see any other way you can interpret this because this is just the fact of the matter. Round 4 was not even close lmao and not up to interpretation as to who won.

Damage and harder hitting strikes is always going to beat number of strikes landed. That's also the judging criteria as well. But both guys were landing very hard strikes. Kattar just landed more of them. IMO it wasn't a robbery in the general sense, but it kind of was because one judge went full phucking retard and gave Emmett round 4. I personally would have scored it 3 rounds to 2 in favour of Kattar. I don't have a bias either or. It could very well be 3-2 Emmett as well and an argument can be made for that. It's just the particular rounds in question.

[CellyTech]

I didn’t give Kattar any of the first 3 rounds simply because I don’t value jabs more than power shots. That being said I am fine with either man winning that fight. Kattar needed to put more urgency into it and if he done so I think he would have swayed the judges.

[PrimarisIn]

Saw this clip, have no idea why hawes had beef with dc lol

[Cartiac]

I agree with Gainzzz. Round 1 and 2 could have realistically gone either way, nobody would be mad if it was scored either or. But one judge scoring round 4 for Emmett was absolutely phucking retarded and it cost Kattar the win, 100%. I don't see any other way you can interpret this because this is just the fact of the matter. Round 4 was not even close lmao and not up to interpretation as to who won.

That conclusion doesn't make sense based on your own admission. If rounds 1 and 2 could have gone either way without question how could your disagreement over 1 judges scoring of 1 round be definitively 100% responsible for Kattar losing? There are lots of times in UFC where we are left completely baffled at crazy judging decisions but this is not one of them and Kattar's own corner agreed. They kept telling him between rounds he was losing, asking what his problem was and telling him he needed to man up and go after his opponent if he wanted to win and he didn't. After the first round Kattar fought very timid and scared while Emmett was constantly taking risk lunging forward with blitzes throwing looping combinations of power shots trying to put Kattar away and stood in and ate Kattar's shots and firing back showing very little response especially in his lower body.

I didn’t give Kattar any of the first 3 rounds simply because I don’t value jabs more than power shots. That being said I am fine with either man winning that fight. Kattar needed to put more urgency into it and if he done so I think he would have swayed the judges.

Completely agreed, that is the truth. I went back and watched the fight again including the 4th several times and it was actually nowhere near as close as people are claiming, certainly not justified of the "full retard" criticism people keep parroting. Kattar's best round was actually the first by far where he did significant damage to Emmett but noone here is even mentioning that.

Kattar was a very popular favorite so I understand how that creates bias along with the commentary pushing people to see the fight a certain way but in that 4th round Kattar actually only landed one well timed jab that stumbled Emmett and sent him into a weird spinning recovery attempt but it really wasn't much at all, Kattar didn't follow up on it or do any real damage and that was all he did that round while Emmett walked him down the entire round blasting him with powerful combinations causing him to cover up and retreat especially at the very end of the round ending it with a very solid barrage of well landed leg kicks and powerful shots to Kattar's head forcing him backwards again trying to cover as much as possible, but even deflecting those shots off the arms hurts a lot more than anything Kattar was even attempting. I challenge anyone to post the timestamp of anything else Kattar did that was significant in that round much less proof of the stupid, meaningless, "stats" they are claiming that Kattar landed so many more significant strikes when he wasn't even throwing anything significant as he ran away.

[Gainzzz]