Apple employees don't want to go back to work

[freeheeler]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...days-week.html

Apple employees have been ordered to return to the office starting on April 11
The US staff will have to be in the office at least three days a week by May 23
But some employees are threatening to quit over the new strict policy
They pointed out Apple's policy is stricter compared to other tech companies
Amazon and Meta are allowing some employees work remotely forever
Google is also requiring employees come in three days a week, but giving some employees the option of switching offices or working fully remotely forever
Many Apple employees ranted on corporate message board 'Blind' this week
Some say they plan to resign the day they come back to the office
Others say they don't want to deal with the commute or sitting at a desk for eight hours a day, and would rather look for a fully remote job
Apple has delayed its plans multiple times amid employee backlash

[metroins]

If the job can be completed from home, it should be. Commuting wastes so much productivity and office politics is right up there with commuting.

Title of thread should be "apple employees don't want to return to commuting and sharing bathrooms" they are already working.

[ThatGuy950]

Looks like a tight leash on employees is more important to Tim Apple than all that climate change virtue signaling lolol

[Mr Beer]

Apple employees don't want to slog through an hour of traffic each way in order to work in a cube farm as opposed to their own home? How strange.

Apple may need to wake up to itself because business is crying out for IT staff and places that support work from home have an advantage when recruiting.

[Noliberals4]

I don't get it. People - ESPECIALLY on the Misc - always complain that social media and technology are "destroying human technology and social media is "destroying human interaction" behaviors for the worst, but then support this?

How many "Don't you guys miss the 90s when we got to hang out with friends and do things outside and talk to people?" threads are made? A ton.

So which is it, should we have more social interaction or less?

[BullittEV]

I don't get it. People - ESPECIALLY on the Misc - always complain that social media and technology are "destroying human technology and social media is "destroying human interaction" behaviors for the worst, but then support this?

How many "Don't you guys miss the 90s when we got to hang out with friends and do things outside and talk to people?" threads are made? A ton.

So which is it, should we have more social interaction or less?

theres a huge difference between some brainless tik tok influencer and an employee that would be more efficient/happier working remote.

wow lol

[radrd]

My company is bringing us back Tue and Wed starting next week. I think 10% may actually be in favor. If the entire company has been successfully operating remotely for two years, then why make people change if it will hurt morale?

I'm all for fixing a problem and people who are doing a chit job from home should get drug back to the office or just fired, but why punish the rest of us?

[CommitmentRulz]

Looks like a tight leash on employees is more important to Tim Apple than all that climate change virtue signaling lolol

This ^^^.

[Noliberals4]

theres a huge difference between some brainless tik tok influencer and an employee that would be more efficient/happier working remote.

wow lol

Remote working leads to the same issues "brainless Tik Tokers" do - less human interaction.

[lsiberian]

If the job can be completed from home, it should be. Commuting wastes so much productivity and office politics is right up there with commuting.

Title of thread should be "apple employees don't want to return to commuting and sharing bathrooms" they are already working.

I was really surprised how beneficial having my team commute once or twice a week has been. I expected it to not be useful at all, but was definitely wrong.

[Cleveland33]

i don't get it, i hate working from home more than once or twice a week

[AlfBundy]

I don't get it. People - ESPECIALLY on the Misc - always complain that social media and technology are "destroying human technology and social media is "destroying human interaction" behaviors for the worst, but then support this?

How many "Don't you guys miss the 90s when we got to hang out with friends and do things outside and talk to people?" threads are made? A ton.

So which is it, should we have more social interaction or less?

I personally want Apple employees to suffer

[Ephedra]

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.

[Cleveland33]

I personally want Apple employees to suffer

the people that actually make the phones suffer plenty

[LtGoose]

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.

[OptimusTrajan]

I really wish Apple would collapse. Terrible company.

[Ramoneb87]

Many of them moved away when they were told they could work from home indefinitely, not just apple but tech workers in general. As prior they were forced to live in expensive ghetto adjacent hell holes. Granted Cupertino is a nice city and any riff raff couln't afford to live there or in any neighboring cities, so the only reason for moving is the high cost of living

[Contribution05]

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I agree somewhat with this. I'm fully remote but if the office wasn't out of state and only 10-15 mins away, i wouldn't mind coming into work occasionally. But If i was to choose my ideal scenario, it would be like one week completely remote, and then the next week tuesday-thursday in the office so that there is the bit of socialization and idea bouncing.

[DeshaunWatson]

Get back to the office you lazy fks.

[Stizzel]

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.

I honestly would prefer going into the office if it wasnt an hour drive each way. Just too mamy distractions with the family at home

[gregxy]

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.

When I used to work at small companies with small groups this was definitely the case.
At large companies I saw many people that just sat in their offices and fired emails at each other and never spoke to another person, so where they worked would not matter. Also saw that the small companies were more efficient and innovative than large ones.

[ezmac31]

I honestly would prefer going into the office if it wasnt an hour drive each way. Just too mamy distractions with the family at home

Same. Prior to Covid only went in 2 times weekly, but I’d chose to do so more if I didn’t have the long commute

[Tears]

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.

This.

And people are apparently blind to the fact that the huge lack in production from "working from home" across the country won't continue to raise prices as companies try to offset losses.

Complete ignorance. Only a small percentage of people actually have a job that allows them to 100% do it from home without any drop in production. People don't want to go back to work because that means more work. No ****

[bartosh]

There’s a few reasons management/execs want people going back to work

- land. Apple invested what, a billion dollars, into their campus? They want their employees to justify that cost fro them.
- middle management needing to be able to hover/micromanage to justify their jobs. Wfh has proved the majority of middle management’s work to be entirely redundant.
- boomers being boomers

1 day a week is more than enough to get the networking aspect re-kindled. 1 day a month even.

People working remotely are probably only 50-60% as productive as they would be in the office. Add to that people can't bounce ideas off each other organically and the company is in a worse position overall than with in office employees.

You guys can cope all you want but it's the damn truth.

I let my employees work from home briefly and never will again. Been there, done that, lesson learned.

Our generation has become so damn lazy they don't even want to leave the house.

Funny. objective metrics has shown that performance increased since working from home across plenty of major IT companies. You can cope all you want with making up anecdotal evidence but that’s the truth

This.

And people are apparently blind to the fact that the huge lack in production from "working from home" across the country won't continue to raise prices as companies try to offset losses.

Complete ignorance. Only a small percentage of people actually have a job that allows them to 100% do it from home without any drop in production. People don't want to go back to work because that means more work. No ****

Nope. Performance went up in top IT companies during the work from home era. Cope harder

[yabbayabba]

Funny. objective metrics has shown that performance increased since working from home across plenty of major IT companies. You can cope all you want with making up anecdotal evidence but that’s the truth

No doubt there is some boomer mentality that because they had to spend 50+ hours a week in an office that's the only way things can get done. But, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the field. I'm a software engineering manager and we've been remote for two years and I haven't really noticed any drop off in work getting done. The one issue I do see is it is much harder just to bounce an idea off somebody to see if an idea is crazy or not. We are on Slack and we have plugins for doing scrum and whiteboard work and I spend a good amount of my day on calls that would have been in person. Having tools like Jira and Confluence are way, way more important now. While how we get work done is different it gets done just the same. Now if you are an office drone who spends all day working with spreadsheets and email hating their job and life I can certainly see a decrease in performance not being in the office. But there should be a hard look to see if those jobs are really necessary.

[Scarrdbutsmartr]

Brand new 5 BILLION dollar campus…Yeah they are gunna want you to come back into the office

[TonyTriangles]

i hope they do quit. i'm confident that they can easily be replaced

[rampagefc77]

Work in healthcare and aside from a few weeks at the start of the pandemic where my clinics were remote, ive been in person. I offer phone and video for all new consults, and I work in a specialty where it’s rare that an exam is needed (diagnosis is made by imaging and labs), but patients all choose in person visits.

Suck it up and go back to the office.

[Bluestar92]

In my field of work (accounting) it is entirely possible to work 100% remote but I’ve seen the productivity number of the folks that have returned to the office and those that didn’t. The ones who’ve been coming in to the office have far better numbers and got almost all the promotions this last year. The only reason we haven’t laid off the remote cells is because hiring new talent is still hard but their time will come. We’ve even had some people move to different states and **** (lol)thinking this was going to be permanent. We do offer working remote 2x a week no questions asked though.

[Contribution05]

No doubt there is some boomer mentality that because they had to spend 50+ hours a week in an office that's the only way things can get done. But, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the field. I'm a software engineering manager and we've been remote for two years and I haven't really noticed any drop off in work getting done. The one issue I do see is it is much harder just to bounce an idea off somebody to see if an idea is crazy or not. We are on Slack and we have plugins for doing scrum and whiteboard work and I spend a good amount of my day on calls that would have been in person. Having tools like Jira and Confluence are way, way more important now. While how we get work done is different it gets done just the same. Now if you are an office drone who spends all day working with spreadsheets and email hating their job and life I can certainly see a decrease in performance not being in the office. But there should be a hard look to see if those jobs are really necessary.

Yeah, whether the developers work in the office or from home, they have given assignments each week, and everything gets checked in and tracked. As long as they are making the deadlines and the work is passing QA then there isn't really an issue. But i do think there should be some in person interaction, just helps to gel with your co-workers and easier to come up with solutions/ask for help when the person is sitting next to you.