Which styles beat high level BJJ in a fight?

[BornagaininUES]

been watching youtube videos and almost in everyone, wrestler or boxer gets rekt by BJJ black belt

what styles tend to always get the better of even the best BJJ guys?

I mean see Usman and Jon Jones (both wrestling) wrecking BJJ guys in the Octagon all the time

[stayhomeneet]

Jake Paul style would.

[stayhomeneet]

Also wrestling and bjj are dominant styles in the UFC because the strikers in UFC are terrible.

The best strikers in the world are in boxing or maybe k1 if they are kickboxers idk.

But the guys with the best boxing in UFC are absoloute scrub tier compared to pro boxers.

The best bjj guys in the world are in UFC

[BornagaininUES]

Also wrestling and bjj are dominant styles in the UFC because the strikers in UFC are terrible.

The best strikers in the world are in boxing or maybe k1 if they are kickboxers idk.

But the guys with the best boxing in UFC are absoloute scrub tier compared to pro boxers.

The best bjj guys in the world are in UFC

I just watched MMA sparring videos and it seems like BJJ guys almost seem to win every time against Muay Thai and such.

[MuscleXtreme]

At this point there is so much convergence of all grappling styles into bjj, since bjj is open to incorporating whatever works, that bjj is becoming just grappling.

BJJ at the highest levels utilize every judo and wrestling takedown. BJJ utilizes the leg locks of sambo, and all the locks of catch. At this point it’s just grappling.

The issue that makes grappling so dangerous and hard to defeat is that if you take a striker to the ground they will always be defeated by a strong grappler. There aren’t lucky subs that an unskilled grappler will land. Whereas, a grappler can still land a lucky strike against the striker.

If a grappler pairs up grappling with Muay Thai clinch work, the striker is in real trouble. As no matter which style of boxer the person is, they will be clinched at some point.

[bfdehewdbyywhn]

high level BJJ cant be beaten, when combined with a strong chin.


BJJ these days is a combo of nearly every grappling martial art


only way to beat grappler is to knock them out

[tehfinkster]

high level BJJ cant be beaten, when combined with a strong chin.


only way to beat grappler is to knock them out

In which case it would be beaten LOL.

[iloveus]

[akmerle]

The best bjj guys in the world are in UFC

What? Not even close.

[neondevil]

Anyone that's used to hitting on the ground. Getting hit changes teh entire BJJ ground game.


I'd also look up videos of high level muay thai people working with BJJ people. The BJJ people always have to take multiple hits before it can goto the ground, so punchers chance always.

[akmerle]

Anyone that's used to hitting on the ground. Getting hit changes teh entire BJJ ground game.


I'd also look up videos of high level muay thai people working with BJJ people. The BJJ people always have to take multiple hits before it can goto the ground, so punchers chance always.

No it doesn’t. Maybe for some clown world butt scooting leg lockers, but any good gym should be teaching bjj for self defense (and sport).

Please explain how it changes the entire ground game in MMA. What parts specifically?

What parts of distance control, not giving your back, attacking from the bottom, etc?

BJJ was, and always has been founded, with strikes in mind.

[bfdehewdbyywhn]

In which case it would be beaten LOL.

you wont knock someone out in every fight. if you don't knock them out and you end up on the ground its over

[tehfinkster]

you wont knock someone out in every fight. if you don't knock them out and you end up on the ground its over

I mean, just don't end up on the ground. Someone well versed in take down defense and a good standup would pose a credible threat.

The more well rounded you are, the better you will fare.

[Miscbob]

been watching youtube videos and almost in everyone, wrestler or boxer gets rekt by BJJ black belt

Post the videos

[Le234]

been watching youtube videos and almost in everyone, wrestler or boxer gets rekt by BJJ black belt

what styles tend to always get the better of even the best BJJ guys?

I mean see Usman and Jon Jones (both wrestling) wrecking BJJ guys in the Octagon all the time

The Drunken Monkey Style..!

[I3igAl]

Without cross training it's going to be pretty tough.
A great judoka or Sambo fighter might be the best bet. He has a greater chance to slam the BJJ guy than vice versa and while he would be more limited on the ground, he is pretty good there as well.

[elterrible987]

all of the strikers know take down defense these days

they dont have pure styles like the 90s anymore.

[iloveus]

The Drunken Monkey Style..!

Great movie

[akmerle]

all of the strikers know take down defense these days

they dont have pure styles like the 90s anymore.

Exactly. Just like grapplers of any style know basic striking. It’s all MMA at the point you are not limited to a single disciplined rule set.

And where is this ignorant BS coming from insinuating that high level BJJ guys don’t know takedowns? Any decent academy teaches takedowns and TDD as part of their self defense curriculum.

Also lol at folks saying a judoka will just throw a bjj guy when they aren’t even allowed to do a single leg takedown.

[sdmk]

any striking + TDD

pure BJJ specialists are pretty much a meme in current MMA (ex. Ryan Hall)

[ninetynine8]

some humans have longer arms, longer legs... different fibres etc


so not really true

[lsiberian]

These sorts of question really don't apply to modern MMA anymore. Everyone training to be an MMA fighter now pretty much does everything.

My old BJJ gym used wrestling, BJJ, etc. We also had a legit boxing coach and Muay Thai coaches. It was really a fun place to train.

Pretty much anyone of the top guys would wreck any non-pro in a fight.

[I3igAl]

These sorts of question really don't apply to modern MMA anymore. Everyone training to be an MMA fighter now pretty much does everything.

My old BJJ gym used wrestling, BJJ, etc. We also had a legit boxing coach and Muay Thai coaches. It was really a fun place to train.

Pretty much anyone of the top guys would wreck any non-pro in a fight.

It doesn't matter for top level MMA or people specifically training to be MMA fighters. But in the smaller leagues there are still specialists from other sports crossing over to try their hand at MMA as are in amateur or regional circles. Gary Tonon (while obviously training striking) in One FC barely uses anything that isn't grappling for example.

[kusok]

High level BJJ gets rekd by MMA style. MMA guys are a nightmare. Any BJJ brown or black belt will tell you that. They are just good enough not to get dominated in grappling, and they rek you everywhere else.

[FAPhaggot]

all of the strikers know take down defense these days

they dont have pure styles like the 90s anymore.

This. The dominance of one-trick BJJ died 15 years ago when Matt Hughes combined a
little bit of BJJ and a lot of wrestlefukking and smashed Royce's head into the canvas.

All the fighters today use a mix. You're not going to find a contender out there who doesn't know some wrestling takedowns, some BJJ chokes, some boxing jabs, some Muay Thai leg kicks, etc.

[iloveus]

This. The dominance of one-trick BJJ died 15 years ago when Matt Hughes combined a
little bit of BJJ and a lot of wrestlefukking and smashed Royce's head into the canvas.

All the fighters today use a mix. You're not going to find a contender out there who doesn't know some wrestling takedowns, some BJJ chokes, some boxing jabs, some Muay Thai leg kicks, etc.

What about Khabib?

He used no kicks. Threw punches, had them near the fence and took them down and smeshed. This was his playbook.

[Schnitzl]

What about Khabib?

He used no kicks. Threw punches, had them near the fence and took them down and smeshed. This was his playbook.

Khabibs stand-up was not that bad, it's just the fact that when you're going against top level strikers, you don't want to be playing their game. He knew his strength was in grappling so he only needed mid-level striking skills to close the distance. He obviously trained striking and kicks in practice but didn't see the need to use them too much.

[ninetynine8]

What about Khabib?

He used no kicks. Threw punches, had them near the fence and took them down and smeshed. This was his playbook.

kicking might not even be worth it for khabibs style because when you throw a kick there's no takedown threat. It's kind of like Izzy going for takedowns, doesn't seem too beneficial for his fighting style

[doughnutking]

Why fight when you can just stand up and laugh at them?

[bfdehewdbyywhn]

Khabibs stand-up was not that bad, it's just the fact that when you're going against top level strikers, you don't want to be playing their game. He knew his strength was in grappling so he only needed mid-level striking skills to close the distance. He obviously trained striking and kicks in practice but didn't see the need to use them too much.

true

khabib trains in a kickboxing gym and his coach who's a kickboxing champion even told him not to focus on striking when his grappling is levels above everyone else. makes no sense to box or throw kicks against a high-level striker

This. The dominance of one-trick BJJ died 15 years ago when Matt Hughes combined a
little bit of BJJ and a lot of wrestlefukking and smashed Royce's head into the canvas.

All the fighters today use a mix. You're not going to find a contender out there who doesn't know some wrestling takedowns, some BJJ chokes, some boxing jabs, some Muay Thai leg kicks, etc.

complete bullshtt saying BJJ is not good

BJJ is easily the best style for MMA as a base along with wrestling. the fact that BJJ only guys were defeating everyone in MMA for years is proof to how effective it is

on the ground a BJJ guy will win 99.99% of the time even with significant weight difference. and fights will go there more times than not