Which vaccine to choose? (srs) (antivaxxers stay out)

[STLbuilder]

pfiderna

amidoingitrite?

[Barteh]

Can I ask why? I'm interested in counter arguments for vaccine too if they are objective.

The main reason is that covid is no threat to young healthy men. The amount of covid deaths of <30 men is in the single digits in my country. You can bet all of those had underlying problems. I've never had a flu shot either. The virus is just no threat to me.

The secondary reason is that long term side effects are unknown. Normally it takes 15-20 years to approve a vaccine. Enough time hasn't passed so it's simply impossible to know long term effects. There's also short term side effects that are currently known like heart complications, but I believe they're pretty rare so it's probably not the biggest concern.

Another reason is that it doesn't even seem to offer a lot of protection. Getting booster shots every 6 months just seems stupid.

wat



https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...%20and%20older.

The FDA approved version isn't on the market yet. If you're getting Pfizer now you're getting the old version.

[Destor]

Covid shot is not a vaccine. The CDC literally had to change the definition of what a vaccine is just so the shot would still qualify as one.

Yeah this is the tenacity I'm talking about

[Paul Kreul]

The tenacity of anti-vaxxers in here is legitimately impressive, we need to harness this energy and put it towards something worthwhile

There'd be no limit to what we could achieve

Lol, I don’t think there is a more pressing issue facing the world right now..aside from the fact we need to turn to God..but hey..let’s just look at the facts..

Deaths by country before & after mass vaccination

https://youtu.be/wcziwhBaki0

It has been consistent everywhere for both the initial shots and for the boosters.

Every time covid vaccines are deployed massive death spikes occur with them.

[orangetide]

RIP.

If you get the pharmacist to mix all 3, you dont have to choose

[InVentive44]

wat



https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...%20and%20older.

Comirnaty Won’t be available till the end of the clinical trials sometime in 2023. Don’t believe me? Every pharmacy only carries Pfizer and not the approved version.

[pondus_levo]

Yeah this is the tenacity I'm talking about

Yes, it takes tenacity to tell the truth. Especially in this day and age when there are so many blind deaf and dumb people roaming the earth.

[GaloisTheory]

I find it comical that no vaxcels consider not being able to form natural immunity

You can form natural immunity if you’re infected after being vaccinated.

Your exposure to every other protein in the virus is also novel and so this doesn’t make sense from an OAS standpoint. That’s of course one of the many benefits of not using a whole virus vaccine.

[nothingshocking]

Comirnaty Won’t be available till the end of the clinical trials sometime in 2023. Don’t believe me? Every pharmacy only carries Pfizer and not the approved version.

Are we talking about a packaging change?

The FDA site says the vaccine which has been being distributed since Dec 2020 will be renamed Comirnaty.

Are you saying they are lying?

I don't get it, admittedly I don't keep up with the news, but I'm not understanding what you are saying vs what I am reading:

Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals.

“The FDA’s approval of this vaccine is a milestone as we continue to battle the COVID-19 pandemic. While this and other vaccines have met the FDA’s rigorous, scientific standards for emergency use authorization, as the first FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccine, the public can be very confident that this vaccine meets the high standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality the FDA requires of an approved product,” said Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock, M.D. “While millions of people have already safely received COVID-19 vaccines, we recognize that for some, the FDA approval of a vaccine may now instill additional confidence to get vaccinated. Today’s milestone puts us one step closer to altering the course of this pandemic in the U.S.”

Since Dec. 11, 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has been available under EUA in individuals 16 years of age and older, and the authorization was expanded to include those 12 through 15 years of age on May 10, 2021. EUAs can be used by the FDA during public health emergencies to provide access to medical products that may be effective in preventing, diagnosing, or treating a disease, provided that the FDA determines that the known and potential benefits of a product, when used to prevent, diagnose, or treat the disease, outweigh the known and potential risks of the product.

FDA-approved vaccines undergo the agency’s standard process for reviewing the quality, safety and effectiveness of medical products. For all vaccines, the FDA evaluates data and information included in the manufacturer’s submission of a biologics license application (BLA). A BLA is a comprehensive document that is submitted to the agency providing very specific requirements. For Comirnaty, the BLA builds on the extensive data and information previously submitted that supported the EUA, such as preclinical and clinical data and information, as well as details of the manufacturing process, vaccine testing results to ensure vaccine quality, and inspections of the sites where the vaccine is made. The agency conducts its own analyses of the information in the BLA to make sure the vaccine is safe and effective and meets the FDA’s standards for approval.

Comirnaty contains messenger RNA (mRNA), a kind of genetic material. The mRNA is used by the body to make a mimic of one of the proteins in the virus that causes COVID-19. The result of a person receiving this vaccine is that their immune system will ultimately react defensively to the virus that causes COVID-19. The mRNA in Comirnaty is only present in the body for a short time and is not incorporated into - nor does it alter - an individual’s genetic material. Comirnaty has the same formulation as the EUA vaccine and is administered as a series of two doses, three weeks apart.

“Our scientific and medical experts conducted an incredibly thorough and thoughtful evaluation of this vaccine. We evaluated scientific data and information included in hundreds of thousands of pages, conducted our own analyses of Comirnaty’s safety and effectiveness, and performed a detailed assessment of the manufacturing processes, including inspections of the manufacturing facilities,” said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., director of FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. “We have not lost sight that the COVID-19 public health crisis continues in the U.S. and that the public is counting on safe and effective vaccines. The public and medical community can be confident that although we approved this vaccine expeditiously, it was fully in keeping with our existing high standards for vaccines in the U.S."

FDA Evaluation of Safety and Effectiveness Data for Approval for 16 Years of Age and Older
The first EUA, issued Dec. 11, for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for individuals 16 years of age and older was based on safety and effectiveness data from a randomized, controlled, blinded ongoing clinical trial of thousands of individuals.

To support the FDA’s approval decision today, the FDA reviewed updated data from the clinical trial which supported the EUA and included a longer duration of follow-up in a larger clinical trial population.

Specifically, in the FDA’s review for approval, the agency analyzed effectiveness data from approximately 20,000 vaccine and 20,000 placebo recipients ages 16 and older who did not have evidence of the COVID-19 virus infection within a week of receiving the second dose. The safety of Comirnaty was evaluated in approximately 22,000 people who received the vaccine and 22,000 people who received a placebo 16 years of age and older.

Based on results from the clinical trial, the vaccine was 91% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease.

More than half of the clinical trial participants were followed for safety outcomes for at least four months after the second dose. Overall, approximately 12,000 recipients have been followed for at least 6 months.

The most commonly reported side effects by those clinical trial participants who received Comirnaty were pain, redness and swelling at the injection site, fatigue, headache, muscle or joint pain, chills, and fever. The vaccine is effective in preventing COVID-19 and potentially serious outcomes including hospitalization and death.

Additionally, the FDA conducted a rigorous evaluation of the post-authorization safety surveillance data pertaining to myocarditis and pericarditis following administration of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and has determined that the data demonstrate increased risks, particularly within the seven days following the second dose. The observed risk is higher among males under 40 years of age compared to females and older males. The observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age. Available data from short-term follow-up suggest that most individuals have had resolution of symptoms. However, some individuals required intensive care support. Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes. The Comirnaty Prescribing Information includes a warning about these risks.

Ongoing Safety Monitoring
The FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have monitoring systems in place to ensure that any safety concerns continue to be identified and evaluated in a timely manner. In addition, the FDA is requiring the company to conduct postmarketing studies to further assess the risks of myocarditis and pericarditis following vaccination with Comirnaty. These studies will include an evaluation of long-term outcomes among individuals who develop myocarditis following vaccination with Comirnaty. In addition, although not FDA requirements, the company has committed to additional post-marketing safety studies, including conducting a pregnancy registry study to evaluate pregnancy and infant outcomes after receipt of Comirnaty during pregnancy.

The FDA granted this application Priority Review. The approval was granted to BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH.

Related Information
Comirnaty Prescribing Information
Cormirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA
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The FDA, an agency within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, protects the public health by assuring the safety, effectiveness, and security of human and veterinary drugs, vaccines and other biological products for human use, and medical devices. The agency also is responsible for the safety and security of our nation’s food supply, cosmetics, dietary supplements, products that give off electronic radiation, and for regulating tobacco products.

[gainztrain818]

lol @ asking a dying gay indian bodybuilding forum for advice on what vaxx to take.


Strong IQ

[Rayaarito]

Current available in the US : Pfizer
Currently available worldwide : SinoVac or SinoPharm
If you can afford to wait : Novavax

Whys Sinovac the best and why don't americans get it >

[CrimsonSteel]

Probably not Pfizer.

[J.L.C.]

The secondary reason is that long term side effects are unknown. Normally it takes 15-20 years to approve a vaccine. Enough time hasn't passed so it's simply impossible to know long term effects. There's also short term side effects that are currently known like heart complications, but I believe they're pretty rare so it's probably not the biggest concern.

The flu vaccine took 2 years in 1942

[katya422]

Getting vaccine significantly reduces risk of getting complications from Covid. With that being said I'm not super educated in this regard, I'm under impression that even at my age it's safer to take the vaccine all things considered but I might be wrong.

If you want at least an educated guess at your risk from the virus here is a calculator:

https://qcovid.org/Calculation

AFAIK when it comes to known immediate severe effects the mRNA type vaccines [Pfizer, Moderna] appear to be more risky for younger men while the adenovirus vector type [J&J, AstraZeneca] are more risky for younger women.

There appears to be a relationship between dosage/death. Pfizer is a smaller dosage than Moderna. Moderna is supposed to have longer lasting protection. But since they may go to frequent boosters anyway I don't see that the longer lasting protection is worth the higher risk.

[SettingOff]

Get 1 of each.

this

immune system maxxing. YOU WILL MOGG corona

[NuggzTheNinja]

this

immune system maxxing. YOU WILL MOGG corona

Mogged it without the jab. Go be fat somewhere else mudblood.

[BrosefMengele]

Negged.

[BrosefMengele]

Lol, I don’t think there is a more pressing issue facing the world right now..aside from the fact we need to turn to God..but hey..let’s just look at the facts..

Deaths by country before & after mass vaccination

https://youtu.be/wcziwhBaki0

It has been consistent everywhere for both the initial shots and for the boosters.

Every time covid vaccines are deployed massive death spikes occur with them.

>"we need to turn to god"
>Is a fookin trinitarian

Hypocrite.

[moosik85]

Novavax

https://www.rintrah.nl/scotland-the-...-getting-sick/

If you took AstraZeneca or pfizer you fuked up enjoy myocarditis and thrombocytopenia
Both knock 5-20 years off your life

[MisquePhaggot]

Be like GMiscer he got all 3 got all bases covered elite trifecta

[MiamiLife305]

J&J master 1 shot race checking in

[BrosefMengele]

J&J master 1 shot race checking in

Vaxcels are not master race. Keep coping boyo

[mesobuild]

AZ and JJ use viral vector technology, so I think they spare the tail risk from MRNA complications. I would prefer those.

[ispy]

op, stop right there! you're doing your own research.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startsw...es-to-science/

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/...iable-sources/

just turn on cnn or msbnc, and let them tell you which is best.

[pondus_levo]

Novavax

https://www.rintrah.nl/scotland-the-...-getting-sick/

If you took AstraZeneca or pfizer you fuked up enjoy myocarditis and thrombocytopenia
Both knock 5-20 years off your life

Link to study? I'm putting together a packet to get a medical exemption for my sons, since they are in the highest risk group for myocarditis.

[darkninja67]

Got my 2nd Pfizer jab last night. Feel beat today so far.

Guess that means it's just working.

[Sinan09400]

Sinovac is the least effective so this must mean it has the mildest side effects but you never know since its chinese made. Never trust the chinese.

Also last I checked sinovaxxed people werent accepted into EU without pcr

[ConTroLFreaKK]

Novavax

https://www.rintrah.nl/scotland-the-...-getting-sick/

If you took AstraZeneca or pfizer you fuked up enjoy myocarditis and thrombocytopenia
Both knock 5-20 years off your life

Would also like to see the study/evidence for this claim pls post

[Sinan09400]

Also might be a good idea to travel to Israel and get vaxxed there if you cant avoid it.

They wouldnt poison their own.

Wouldnt recommend going for a vax trip to China since human life worths less than a nickel in there.

[Sinan09400]

You need to stop posting if you have no idea of what you are posting about.

If people stopped posting about things they have no idea about Misc would become a no mans land.


All those cuckvid vaxxes are chit. Sinovac got reported the least effective by Msm. Which should mean thats the one you'd want to take if you cant avoid it. Ive managed to avoid it and stay pureblood. Id probably try to bribe a nurse to shoot that chit into a toilet and register me as a mudblood.

Most ordinary people dont have much on the vaxxes so either they buy into the msm propoganda or question vaccines. Doesnt mean I shouldnt voice my opinion