6 weeks of packed stadiums should just about settle it

[jtaylor2010]

I'm going to play the devil's advocate and argue from the other side here:

If all college students are vaccinated and they are packing into stadiums by the 100s of thousands and no breakthrough cases are being reported, can't you make the claim that the vaccine is effective and should be encouraged?

You’re starting from the assumption that all college students are vaccinated, which isn’t true. You’re also failing to acknowledge the fact that the student section only accounts for a relatively small percentage of the stadium seats, and that the students sit together for be most part. So most of the stadium is non-students sitting together. Plus it’s already been proven that the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting covid and that it’s efficacy wanes very quickly. But it doesn’t matter what is causing the lack of increase, the point is that there are no mask mandates and no vaccines mandates yet 80,000 people can party together and scream for 3 hours with no noticeable increase in cases so it’s time to move on.

[AlwaysFocus]

Does anyone know someone who has had covid within the last 5 months? I knew people getting it left and right last year but no one recently.

only vaccinated people ironically lmao

[Evolutionary1]

You’re starting from the assumption that all college students are vaccinated, which isn’t true. You’re also failing to acknowledge the fact that the student section only accounts for a relatively small percentage of the stadium seats, and that the students sit together for be most part. So most of the stadium is non-students sitting together. Plus it’s already been proven that the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting covid and that it’s efficacy wanes very quickly. But it doesn’t matter what is causing the lack of increase, the point is that there are no mask mandates and no vaccines mandates yet 80,000 people can party together and scream for 3 hours with no noticeable increase in cases so it’s time to move on.

We need Fauci and Jaydawg's permission first right?

[KingBert]

I'm going to play the devil's advocate and argue from the other side here:

If all college students are vaccinated and they are packing into stadiums by the 100s of thousands and no breakthrough cases are being reported, can't you make the claim that the vaccine is effective and should be encouraged?

This actually makes the most sense.


To argue otherwise would be to say that a Supreme Court nomination celebration at the White House DID NOT get Trump and dozens of others sick even though they were sitting next to each other for less than an hour. Thus, Donald Trump made up his own Covid infection to garner sympathy and miss a debate.



But the MISC is trying to rock to Enter Sandman from their computer desk so don't ruin it for them.

[EDcellent]

Good.

[Evolutionary1]

This actually makes the most sense.


To argue otherwise would be to say that a Supreme Court nomination celebration at the White House DID NOT get Trump and dozens of others sick even though they were sitting next to each other for less than an hour. Thus, Donald Trump made up his own Covid infection to garner sympathy and miss a debate.



But the MISC is trying to rock to Enter Sandman from their computer desk so don't ruin it for them.

Sounds like something a deranged CT would say

[jtaylor2010]

This actually makes the most sense.


To argue otherwise would be to say that a Supreme Court nomination celebration at the White House DID NOT get Trump and dozens of others sick even though they were sitting next to each other for less than an hour. Thus, Donald Trump made up his own Covid infection to garner sympathy and miss a debate.



But the MISC is trying to rock to Enter Sandman from their computer desk so don't ruin it for them.

See also:




You’re starting from the assumption that all college students are vaccinated, which isn’t true. You’re also failing to acknowledge the fact that the student section only accounts for a relatively small percentage of the stadium seats, and that the students sit together for be most part. So most of the stadium is non-students sitting together. Plus it’s already been proven that the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting covid and that it’s efficacy wanes very quickly. But it doesn’t matter what is causing the lack of increase, the point is that there are no mask mandates and no vaccines mandates yet 80,000 people can party together and scream for 3 hours with no noticeable increase in cases so it’s time to move on.

[KingBert]

See also:




You’re starting from the assumption that all college students are vaccinated, which isn’t true. You’re also failing to acknowledge the fact that the student section only accounts for a relatively small percentage of the stadium seats, and that the students sit together for be most part. So most of the stadium is non-students sitting together. Plus it’s already been proven that the vaccine doesn’t prevent you from contracting covid and that it’s efficacy wanes very quickly. But it doesn’t matter what is causing the lack of increase, the point is that there are no mask mandates and no vaccines mandates yet 80,000 people can party together and scream for 3 hours with no noticeable increase in cases so it’s time to move on.

I'm starting from the assumption that the vast majority of that crowd is vaccinated, which is true.
Efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine starts going downward after 6 months, so just about everyone would have plenty of immunity.

What does it matter if there is no mask mandate or vaccine mandate if I can hangout at a family bbq where 80% are vaccinated and not worry about an infection? Whether we are screaming or not for 3 hours.... honestly, most of your post is garbage, I'm surprised you copy/pasted it like it was a work of art.


You say efficacy drops very fast, but you don't say how fast because if you did, we'd still be within a window of protection.

You talk about the size of the student section instead? Are you 12?

[Evolutionary1]

I'm starting from the assumption that the vast majority of that crowd is vaccinated, which is true.
Efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine starts going downward after 6 months, so just about everyone would have plenty of immunity.

What does it matter if there is no mask mandate or vaccine mandate if I can hangout at a family bbq where 80% are vaccinated and not worry about an infection? Whether we are screaming or not for 3 hours.... honestly, most of your post is garbage, I'm surprised you copy/pasted it like it was a work of art.


You say efficacy drops very fast, but you don't say how fast because if you did, we'd still be within a window of protection.

You talk about the size of the student section instead? Are you 12?

Assuming was your first mistake

[jtaylor2010]

I'm starting from the assumption that the vast majority of that crowd is vaccinated, which is true.
Efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine starts going downward after 6 months, so just about everyone would have plenty of immunity.

What does it matter if there is no mask mandate or vaccine mandate if I can hangout at a family bbq where 80% are vaccinated and not worry about an infection? Whether we are screaming or not for 3 hours.... honestly, most of your post is garbage, I'm surprised you copy/pasted it like it was a work of art.

How do you know the vast majority of the crowd is vaccinated? College football reigns supreme across the south which has lower vaccination rates. For example TX has about a 52% vaccination rate, so it’s easy to imagine that less than half of the crowd is vaccinated, and either way it certainly won’t be the “vast majority”(whatever that means according to you).Also, we’ve already had more cases and more deaths in 2021 than in 2020 despite vaccinating 100,000,000+ million people so it doesn’t appear that the vaccines are being very helpful at slowing things down.

And Lold at your 2nd paragraph. “Why does it matter whether we make up strict rules and/or keep people from doing what they want? As long as I can do what I want and not be scared that’s what’s really important”. Spoken like a true Canadian.

[KingBert]

Assuming was your first mistake

MISC: Covid is not contagious.


ALSO MISC: its just the flu.

[KingBert]

How do you know the vast majority of the crowd is vaccinated? College football reigns supreme across the south which has lower vaccination rates. For example TX has about a 52% vaccination rate, so it’s easy to imagine that less than half of the crowd is vaccinated, and either way it certainly won’t be the “vast majority”(whatever that means according to you).Also, we’ve already had more cases and more deaths in 2021 than in 2020 despite vaccinating 100,000,000+ million people so it doesn’t appear that the vaccines are being very helpful at slowing things down.

And Lold at your 2nd paragraph. “Why does it matter whether we make up strict rules and/or keep people from doing what they want? As long as I can do what I want and not be scared that’s what’s really important”. Spoken like a true Canadian.

Your whole thread can be summed up by this:

MISC: Covid is not contagious.


ALSO MISC: its just the flu.

That quote, is the closest thing to a work of art that should be copy/pasted repeatedly.


As for the rest of your garbage, its not worth replying to because you clearly are retarded and wouldn't understand what I write.



Before I go, I'd just like to point out that I'd expect a 12 year old to know that the District of Columbia is not in Canada.

[Evolutionary1]

MISC: Covid is not contagious.


ALSO MISC: its just the flu.

Now you're just making stuff up.

[MuscleXtreme]

I'm going to play the devil's advocate and argue from the other side here:

If all college students are vaccinated and they are packing into stadiums by the 100s of thousands and no breakthrough cases are being reported, can't you make the claim that the vaccine is effective and should be encouraged?

Most of the crowd is not made of college students. Actual college students get their own section (maybe 10-15% of the total crowd), the rest of the crowd are alumni or just regular fans of the team.

[dannyg1217]

Fukk Joe

[jtaylor2010]

Your whole thread can be summed up by this:





That quote, is the closest thing to a work of art that should be copy/pasted repeatedly.

MISC: Covid is not contagious.


ALSO MISC: its just the flu.

As for the rest of your garbage, its not worth replying to because you clearly are retarded and wouldn't understand what I write.



Before I go, I'd just like to point out that I'd expect a 12 year old to know that the District of Columbia is not in Canada.

Who said covid isn’t contagious? Don’t address the points, and then say you’ll no longer respond because people are too dumb to understand. Your whole approach to the scenario was blown apart in 3 seconds and now you’re just resorting to the same strawman about people saying it’s not contagious.


CDC - vaccines don’t prevent infection or spread


Leftists- people aren’t being infected or spreading it at these events because the vast majority are vaccinated.

[thedarrenestes]

I'm going to play the devil's advocate and argue from the other side here:

If all college students are vaccinated and they are packing into stadiums by the 100s of thousands and no breakthrough cases are being reported, can't you make the claim that the vaccine is effective and should be encouraged?

As well as mandates being completely unnecessary and a gross misuse of power

[Evolutionary1]

Who said covid isn’t contagious? Don’t address the points, and then say you’ll no longer respond because people are too dumb to understand. Your whole approach to the scenario was blown apart in 3 seconds and now you’re just resorting to the same strawman about people saying it’s not contagious.


CDC - vaccines don’t prevent infection or spread


Leftists- people aren’t being infected or spreading it at these events because the vast majority are vaccinated.

crickets....

[Evolutionary1]

bumpf

[jtaylor2010]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-fa...ovid-spreaders



"As soon as I saw it, I thought COVID is about to have a feast. What did you think?" host Joy Reid said about the stadiums.

"I thought the same thing. I think it’s really unfortunate," Fauci said.

"But it never happened," Brewster said, adding, "Cases are now in steep decline in every college football state across the south. Including Florida, where hospitalizations fell 64 percent last month, even as some 90,000 fans packed the [University of Florida] Gators' stadium."


"You see it on TV and it looks really scary because we're not used to seeing that anymore. But in reality I think the exposure isn't as great as we think it is," Dr. Cindy Prinz added.


"There’s been a 35% decline in Georgia, 32% decline in South Carolina, 30% decline in Mississippi, 22% decline in Arkansas, 23% in Alabama, 9% in Texas. Every single SEC state where millions of people have gone to college football games has not led to a feast of COVID as Doctor Fauci predicted," Travis said.

[Evolutionary1]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/nbc-fa...ovid-spreaders



"As soon as I saw it, I thought COVID is about to have a feast. What did you think?" host Joy Reid said about the stadiums.

"I thought the same thing. I think it’s really unfortunate," Fauci said.

"But it never happened," Brewster said, adding, "Cases are now in steep decline in every college football state across the south. Including Florida, where hospitalizations fell 64 percent last month, even as some 90,000 fans packed the [University of Florida] Gators' stadium."


"You see it on TV and it looks really scary because we're not used to seeing that anymore. But in reality I think the exposure isn't as great as we think it is," Dr. Cindy Prinz added.


"There’s been a 35% decline in Georgia, 32% decline in South Carolina, 30% decline in Mississippi, 22% decline in Arkansas, 23% in Alabama, 9% in Texas. Every single SEC state where millions of people have gone to college football games has not led to a feast of COVID as Doctor Fauci predicted," Travis said.

Trust the Fauxi

[Chris_1990]

Maaaaybe, just maybe, hear me out...not having an outbreak might have something to do with the USA having 190 million fully vaccinated people? I know it seems crazy but who knows, there might be some connection...

[Evolutionary1]

Maaaaybe, just maybe, hear me out...not having an outbreak might have something to do with the USA having 190 million fully vaccinated people? I know it seems crazy but who knows, there might be some connection...

Plenty of vaccinated people are testing positive and getting sick. They even said that it doesn't fully stop the spread.

How does it feel being a shill and not getting paid for it like all these other people?

[Ikarsuz1337]

doesnt matter, they want to vax the whole planet

[jtaylor2010]

Maaaaybe, just maybe, hear me out...not having an outbreak might have something to do with the USA having 190 million fully vaccinated people? I know it seems crazy but who knows, there might be some connection...

If that’s the case why are deaths and cases higher this year than last? Tons of people in Florida were vaccinated while cases were going through the roof. It’s not like there was a giant jump in vaccinations right before college football season. Vaccines don’t stop people from getting or spreading covid, so how would they stop an outbreak?





Edit to add


Things are going bad = “it’s the unvaccinated! It’s the unmasked! It’s the lack of social distancing!


Things are going good = “thank goodness for Lord Faucci and his vaccines”

[chaunce54]

Maaaaybe, just maybe, hear me out...not having an outbreak might have something to do with the USA having 190 million fully vaccinated people? I know it seems crazy but who knows, there might be some connection...

These are the 10 states with the lowest partial vaccination rates in the country:

Idaho (47.91%)
West Virginia (48.55%)
Wyoming (49.52%)
Mississippi (50.96%)
North Dakota (51.99%)
Louisiana (52.51%)
Indiana (52.89%)
Alabama (53.39%)
Tennessee (53.53%)
Ohio (54.92%)

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...cination-rates

Below are the states and Washington, D.C., ranked by the percentage of their population that has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC.

40. Oklahoma
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,929,976
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.77

41. South Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,508,681
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.72

42. Georgia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,973,251
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.84

43. Tennessee
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,185,773
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.65

44. Arkansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,406,742
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.61

45. Louisiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,160,565
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.48

46. North Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 344,203
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.17

47. Mississippi
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,325,520
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.54

48. Alabama
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,144,120
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.73

49. Wyoming
Number of people fully vaccinated: 247,246
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 42.72

50. Idaho
Number of people fully vaccinated: 761,719
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 42.62

51. West Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 730,516
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.76

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-march-15.html

[Evolutionary1]

Get rekt again covidcuks

[katya422]

If that’s the case why are deaths and cases higher this year than last? Tons of people in Florida were vaccinated while cases were going through the roof. It’s not like there was a giant jump in vaccinations right before college football season. Vaccines don’t stop people from getting or spreading covid, so how would they stop an outbreak?





Edit to add


Things are going bad = “it’s the unvaccinated! It’s the unmasked! It’s the lack of social distancing!


Things are going good = “thank goodness for Lord Faucci and his vaccines”

Shhh...we aren't supposed to talk about that.

Multiple countries have seen an increase in COVID cases after the start of a big vaccination roll out.

Also, not conclusive of anything, but so far at least two reports of "all cause mortality" increasing during the big vaccine campaign.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/...eaths/comments

I caught a clip of a doctor who was claiming that the vaccine changes a single epitope which then makes you more susceptible to contracting the virus. I clicked through because I knew of the doctor and had one of her books previously. There wasn't any supporting evidence though and the overall tone was sketchy.

[Chris_1990]

Plenty of vaccinated people are testing positive and getting sick. They even said that it doesn't fully stop the spread.

What you are saying is undeniably true BUT it's only a small part of the big picture and it's only the part that is supporting your own biased point of view.

If you (or anyone for that matter, not saying it against you personally) are against vaccines, you will surely cherry pick the statistics that support your view i.e. that some vaccinated people still get covid after getting the jab and that obviously means that the pandemic is still in effect and you'd be right. Oh look, person X got covid and he was vaxxed, the vaccine doesn't work !!

A person that is pro vaccines would claim that the majority of vaccinated people did not in fact get covid after vaccination...and that would again be true. Oh, only 1 person out of 129380129381029 got covid? The vaccines work!!

If that’s the case why are deaths and cases higher this year than last? Tons of people in Florida were vaccinated while cases were going through the roof. It’s not like there was a giant jump in vaccinations right before college football season. Vaccines don’t stop people from getting or spreading covid, so how would they stop an outbreak?

Edit to add

Things are going bad = “it’s the unvaccinated! It’s the unmasked! It’s the lack of social distancing!

Things are going good = “thank goodness for Lord Faucci and his vaccines”

Because the delta variant is far more ****ed up than the original was and you can't compare them.

To add:
things are going bad = "I told you vaccines are BS, they don't work !!"
things are going good = "see, natural immunity works, we don't need vaccines!!"

It's all about cherry picking the statistics that only support your own biased opinion while completely disregarding everything else. 2021 is the year of living in an echo chamber.

These are the 10 states with the lowest partial vaccination rates in the country:

Below are the states and Washington, D.C., ranked by the percentage of their population that has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC.

This is just a bunch of useless stats and numbers that I can't fathom what point they prove...especially as a European that has never heard of most of those places.

[chaunce54]

This is just a bunch of useless stats and numbers that I can't fathom what point they prove...especially as a European that has never heard of most of those places.

So you're spouting ignorance? Now it makes sense...