Vaccine now only 39% effective against delta and losing potency fast

[Paul Kreul]

From your own link, smart guy:

Nowhere does that state that the vaccine itself is ineffective to prevent one from obtaining influenza.

Don’t contaminate the gene pool with your seed

[TaeBoNinja]

91% sounds pretty good. Glad you're posting this to encourage more dum dums to get vaccinated. Sure better than begging for the vaccine on your death bed.

Anyone who's not old or fat has a 99% chance of not getting serious ill

[StoliFun]

Nowhere does that state that the vaccine itself is ineffective to prevent one from obtaining influenza.

Don’t contaminate the gene pool with your seed

What do you think the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine typically is?

[Hallu]

Vaccinated individuals accounted for three-quarters of Singapore’s COVID-19 infections in the past four weeks, the latest numbers showing the potential for the disease — and in particular the highly contagious Delta variant — to spread even among those who’ve been inoculated against it, according to a report by Reuters on Friday.

About 44 percent of the 1,096 locally transmitted infections in the past 28 days in Singapore were among people who had been fully vaccinated and 30 percent were among those partially vaccinated.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/...e-report-says/

Also:

"Vaccinated individuals who tested positive for the coronavirus showed either mild symptoms or none at all, Singapore’s health ministry reported, according to Reuters."

"Breakthrough cases have so far been rare among vaccinated people in Massachusetts. As of July 17, the state’s health department reported 5,166 breakthrough cases, about 0.1 percent of vaccinated residents. Deaths and hospitalizations among vaccinated people are even more rare."

[5x10]

People were fed a lie, what's sad is that they're not even mad.

the cultist never get mad at their leader Biden

[Paul Kreul]

What do you think the effectiveness of the annual flu vaccine typically is?

The flu vaccine stops people from getting the flu.
The Covid vaccine does not stop people from getting Covid.

My initial comment was..”I’ve never heard of a vaccine before that lessens the effect of a virus as opposed to preventing it”

Apparently you can’t seem to grasp the difference here..













https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N0t...JvFbzfPN1/view

[Paul Kreul]

This is rich. Don't you deny evolution? Yet here you are lecturing us on evolutionary biology. It doesn't have to get less deadly if there is minimal fitness cost to being deadly.

This John's Hopkins doctor was not able to find a single death among 48,000 children less then 18 years old who had Covid that didn't have a pre-existing condition "like Leukemia."

https://archive.is/eiMqH





Keep typing, I’m sure one day you’ll post something intelligent

[greenleaf]

Poll: Most unvaccinated Americans don’t want shots and doubt they work against delta variant

Most Americans who haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19 say they are unlikely to get the shots and doubt they would work against the aggressive delta variant despite evidence they do, according to a new poll that underscores the challenges facing public health officials amid soaring infections in some states.

Among American adults who have not yet received a vaccine, 35% say they probably will not, and 45% say they definitely will not, according to a poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Just 3% say they definitely will get the shots, though another 16% say they probably will.

What’s more, 64% of unvaccinated Americans have little to no confidence the shots are effective against variants — including the delta variant that officials say is responsible for 83% of new cases in the U.S. — despite evidence that they offer strong protection. In contrast, 86% of those who have already been vaccinated have at least some confidence that the vaccines will work.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/mo...-variant-poll/

[StoliFun]

The flu vaccine stops people from getting the flu.
The Covid vaccine does not stop people from getting Covid.

My initial comment was..”I’ve never heard of a vaccine before that lessens the effect of a virus as opposed to preventing it”

Apparently you can’t seem to grasp the difference here..













https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N0t...JvFbzfPN1/view

40%. The annual flu vaccine is around 40% effective at preventing flu infection. The COVID vaccines, except for this latest study from Israel which has yet to survive heavy scrutiny, are all demonstrably far more effective at preventing covid infection.

You claimed you'd never heard of a vaccine that lessens the effect of a virus rather than prevents infection. I'm telling you one of the most common vaccines doled out annually is less effective at preventing infection than the COVID vaccines and is given out nonetheless because even if you are to get the flu after being vaccinated you're subsequently less likely to suffer from severe flu symptoms, less likely to be hospitalized, more likely to survive if you are hospitalized, etc. Sound familiar? The annual flu vaccine is less effective than the COVID vaccines at preventing infection, and you claim you've never heard of a vaccine like it!

[Paul Kreul]

40%. The annual flu vaccine is around 40% effective at preventing flu infection. The COVID vaccines, except for this latest study from Israel which has yet to survive heavy scrutiny, are all demonstrably far more effective at preventing covid infection.

You claimed you'd never heard of a vaccine that lessens the effect of a virus rather than prevents infection. I'm telling you one of the most common vaccines doled out annually is less effective at preventing infection than the COVID vaccines and is given out nonetheless because even if you are to get the flu after being vaccinated you're subsequently less likely to suffer from severe flu symptoms, less likely to be hospitalized, more likely to survive if you are hospitalized, etc. Sound familiar? The annual flu vaccine is less effective than the COVID vaccines at preventing infection, and you claim you've never heard of a vaccine like it!

Imagine writing all that out to still miss the point. Pathetic.
Once again..

the flu vaccine prevents one from getting the flu

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

the Covid vaccine does not prevent you from getting Covid.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[StoliFun]

Imagine writing all that out to still miss the point. Pathetic.
Once again..
the flu vaccine prevents one from getting the flu
the Covid vaccine does not prevent you from getting Covid.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Lol. Show me the studies where the COVID vaccines aren't any kind of effective at preventing Sars cov2 infection. The vaccines have been widely distributed for half a year.

[Paul Kreul]

Lol. Show me the studies where the COVID vaccines aren't any kind of effective at preventing Sars cov2 infection. The vaccines have been widely distributed for half a year.

If the vaccine is so effective, why was the PCR cycle count threshold changed for those that have been vaccinated?

[StoliFun]

If the vaccine is so effective, why was the PCR cycle count threshold changed for those that have been vaccinated?

This is it, Paul? We're in a thread about an Israeli study, which has yet to be heavily scrutinized, that suggests the Pfizer vaccine's effectiveness at preventing sars cov2 infection might fall to 39% six months after vaccination. You claim the covid vaccines aren't effective. I challenge you to show me studies proving as such. And you ask me this silly question?

Who allegedly changed the PCR cycle threshold for vaccinated people, Paul? Did the study referenced in the OP run vaccinated sampled through fewer cycles than unvaccinated samples? Is that what you're claiming? Can no one run a study with whatever PCR cycle threshold they want to prove your claim that the vaccines aren't effective? Who's stopping them, Paul?

[Paul Kreul]

This is it, Paul? We're in a thread about an Israeli study, which has yet to be heavily scrutinized, that suggests the Pfizer vaccine's effectiveness at preventing sars cov2 infection might fall to 39% six

months after vaccination. You claim the covid vaccines aren't effective. I challenge you to show me studies proving as such. And you ask me this silly question?


Who allegedly changed the PCR cycle threshold for vaccinated people, Paul? Did the study referenced in the OP run vaccinated sampled through fewer cycles than unvaccinated samples? Is that what you're claiming? Can no one run a study with whatever PCR cycle threshold they want to prove your claim that the vaccines aren't effective? Who's stopping them, Paul?

“Who allegedly changed the PCR cycle threshold..”

It wasn’t allegedly. WHO did

WHO Information Notice for IVD Users 2020/05
Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

[StoliFun]

“Who allegedly changed the PCR cycle threshold..”

It wasn’t allegedly. WHO did

WHO Information Notice for IVD Users 2020/05
Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2

https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-...-users-2020-05

Quoted for posterity.

[Paul Kreul]

Quoted for posterity.

Are you really denying this..?

[StoliFun]

Are you really denying this..?

It's not even the source of the conspiracy theory you referenced in this thread, dumbass. It's the source of a totally different conspiracy theory!

People claimed your WHO memo - disseminated the same day as Biden's inaugguration !- was proof that the WHO was inflating COVID infection numbers to get Biden elected and that the WHO was reducing COVID infections after his inauguration to make him look good.

None of that was true, and the Jan 20 memo was an update of a December memo anyway (https://web.archive.org/web/20201215...-for-ivd-users) so the notion that they were waiting for Biden to come to power before enacting their evil plan is bull****.

The source for the CT you referenced ITT can be found copied here: https://www.icpcovid.com/sites/defau...une%202021.pdf

Funny how I can keep your CTs straight better than you can!

[Paul Kreul]

It's not even the source of the conspiracy theory you referenced in this thread, dumbass. It's the source of a totally different conspiracy theory!

People claimed your WHO memo - disseminated the same day as Biden's inaugguration !- was proof that the WHO was inflating COVID infection numbers to get Biden elected and that the WHO was reducing COVID infections after his inauguration to make him look good.

None of that was true, and the Jan 20 memo was an update of a December memo anyway (https://web.archive.org/web/20201215...-for-ivd-users) so the notion that they were waiting for Biden to come to power before enacting their evil plan is bull****.

The source for the CT you referenced ITT can be found copied here: https://www.icpcovid.com/sites/defau...une%202021.pdf

Funny how I can keep your CTs straight better than you can!

Umm.. actually no..the memo I posted clearly stated cycle count to be changed..and it is from January lol...the exact same one you posted..are you full potato?

What I referenced..

“WHO Information Notice for IVD Users 2020/05

Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2

20 January 2021 Medical product alert“

-WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

Seems to say to do that right there.

WTF “totally different CT” are you on about?

Clearly it is to show vaccine efficiency when there is none. Just lol.

Go ahead and post the original memo (hint we know it’s updated because it states it right in THE FUKING ONE I POSTED DIPSHYT..
“Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued 14 December 2020.”)

The updated one clearly stated to change testing...which is WHY people were questioning the change AFTER BIDEN.


Fukin moron of the year

[Dan_S]

Oopsies.

[StoliFun]

Umm.. actually no..the memo I posted clearly stated cycle count to be changed..and it is from January lol...the exact same one you posted..are you full potato?

What I referenced..

“WHO Information Notice for IVD Users 2020/05

Nucleic acid testing (NAT) technologies that use polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of SARS-CoV-2

20 January 2021 Medical product alert“

-WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.

Seems to say to do that right there.

WTF “totally different CT” are you on about?

Clearly it is to show vaccine efficiency when there is none. Just lol.

Go ahead and post the original memo (hint we know it’s updated because it states it right in THE FUKING ONE I POSTED DIPSHYT..
“Purpose of this notice: clarify information previously provided by WHO. This notice supersedes WHO Information Notice for In Vitro Diagnostic Medical Device (IVD) Users 2020/05 version 1, issued 14 December 2020.”)

The updated one clearly stated to change testing...which is WHY people were questioning the change AFTER BIDEN.


Fukin moron of the year

Paul, here is the correct conspiracy theory which sprung up around the Jan 20 WHO memo you keep talking about and pasted above

https://conservativechoicecampaign.c...ive-for-covid/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210123...ation-n1398857 (later retracted bc pjmedia has some shame)

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...alse-positives


And here is an example of this CT getting fact checked: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/sc...ovid-19-tests/

The Jan 20 memo isn't the focal point of the conspiracy theory that vaccinated samples are tested less rigorously. The Jan 20 memo is the focal point of a different conspiracy theory.

Let me know when you've absorbed this, and I'll show you the WHO memo which actually is the focal point of your lower-pcr-threshold-for-vaccinated-samples theory.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

there's a 1 in 100 chance you get hospitalized after testing positive for covid

there's a 1 in 15 chance you die after being hospitalized with covid.

considering 40 in 100 Americans are OBESE, I'll take my chances LMAO.

[Paul Kreul]

Paul, here is the correct conspiracy theory which sprung up around the Jan 20 WHO memo you keep talking about and pasted above

https://conservativechoicecampaign.c...ive-for-covid/

https://web.archive.org/web/20210123...ation-n1398857 (later retracted bc pjmedia has some shame)

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...alse-positives


And here is an example of this CT getting fact checked: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/sc...ovid-19-tests/

The Jan 20 memo isn't the focal point of the conspiracy theory that vaccinated samples are tested less rigorously. The Jan 20 memo is the focal point of a different conspiracy theory.

Let me know when you've absorbed this, and I'll show you the WHO memo which actually is the focal point of your lower-pcr-threshold-for-vaccinated-samples theory.

Just when I thought you could not get any dumber, you come through once again. In the updated memo, the one I posted..It is implicitly stating that if your positive PCR test does not correlate with the clinical picture of the patient, it could well be because the cycle threshold was too high for the viral load of the patient.

You see this piece of text:

“Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer.”

What do you think that manual adjustment refers to?

[FingerFood]

So what is this test that can tell the difference between the variants, or do we now call anything that infects someone that has had the vaccine infected with the variant?

Has anyone been tested with anything that gave them the variant as a result?

If I get tested am I tested for all at the same time?

For all I know the common Flu shows a positive.

[vickissick07]

Just when I thought you could not get any dumber, you come through once again. In the updated memo, the one I posted..It is implicitly stating that if your positive PCR test does not correlate with the clinical picture of the patient, it could well be because the cycle threshold was too high for the viral load of the patient.

You see this piece of text:

“Users of IVDs must read and follow the IFU carefully to determine if manual adjustment of the PCR positivity threshold is recommended by the manufacturer.”

What do you think that manual adjustment refers to?

You're arguing with somebody who literally defended the peedo san fran choir in their song about 'coming for your kids'

He is a literal peedo sympathizer. Dude deserves the same fate of the kids that those choir ****s gave those undeserving children.

[647584857]

Lol, what's the point of taking this vaccine then?

[NYPat]

Lol, what's the point of taking this vaccine then?

Ask all the Republicans like Ron DeSantis who are now telling everyone to get vaccinated.

[5x10]

Ask all the Republicans like Ron DeSantis who are now telling everyone to get vaccinated.

yep, or ask trump, who’s been pushing the vax since he fast tracked it

[NYPat]

yep, or ask trump, who’s been pushing the vax since he fast tracked it

You mean the idiot who wanted credit for the vaccines but had no plan for the rollout because he was too busy lying to the public about voter fraud?

Just fuking LOL at you Trumpers

[Paul Kreul]

Ask all the Republicans like Ron DeSantis who are now telling everyone to get vaccinated.

You keep playing that right vs left game. It’s not about R vs D, it’s not about Trump or Biden. It’s about good and truth vs deception and evil.

[5x10]

You mean the idiot who wanted credit for the vaccines but had no plan for the rollout because he was too busy lying to the public about voter fraud?

Just fuking LOL at you Trumpers

what? It’s called the trump vaccine for a reason
No plan for rollout? Lmao

I’m just glad you listened to Trump and took his vaccine like a good little boy