Universal Basic Income - Poll

[thorpowers]

UBI is a scam. It will just lead to inflation, which is bad for poor people.

Another key date 1971 US ends the gold standard. USD no longer redeemable for gold so fed can start printing money

[Latinowarrior3]

I'm with UBI for people that are out of work due to the pandemic or the eventual automation of jobs. In America, our leaders will make the prices of goods go up for everyone because of it. They hate us and worship the gdp and stock market.

[navid93]

This is a cucks way of thinking. People don't need to accept being replaced by robots.

Well, cucks like you love being dominated, but hopefully there's less of the kind of people like you, and more people that are willing to defend the value of their own life.

You sound like a guy who says he would fight the guy 3 times his size only when hes not in the room.

Youre not going to do anything

AI future is inevitable. Its not about if itll happen its about when. Some miscer isnt going to stop it.

[navid93]

Hey, go ahead and get your war started there bucko. You can follow in your masters footsteps ole Teddy K.

Its like the people who say they need a gun to fight back against a tyrannical government. You believe Biden stole the election right? Well than this is it, the tyrannical government. Yet they did nothing but take some selfies at the capitol because theyre all talk.

[navid93]

UBI is the future. The concept of money may even be obsolete.

Just like the agriculture revaluation that made us go from hunter gathers to building societies, this will be one of the biggest changes in human history.

[adamsz]

I'm for it if it replaces other forms of govt handouts like foodstamps, EBT, welfare, etc

would be much cheaper overall

[navid93]

The only jobs lost to automation will be chitbag jobs you could never live off of anyway.

accountants say hi

[jamalfudge]

Strong username to lack of comprehension ratio. Imagine everyone gets an extra 1k a month. Now imagine you are a bean counter for a big property management company. You have a great idea to bring in extra revenue, because everyone is making an extra 1k per month, you can up rents from $1500/month to $3000-3500 a month because you can presume 2 people living in a 2 bedroom equals an extra $2k per household. Now imagine you're the boss at work. You surmise that because everyone is getting an extra grand per month, you don't need to give out annual or cost of living raises. So the average worker gets hosed from both ends...why does nobody think of this?

[lebowski951]

I'm absolutely against it.

Young people, especially those just coming out of high school, will see this meager sum as a large influx of disposable income and use it on trivial objects and vacations. It would be utterly wasted.

This spring when the Canadian government had CERB payments being issued due to covid we had one of our potential up and coming field guys come back to work from a broken leg. He was back 3 days doing great work when his CERB payments, which he applied for weeks previously, had started kicking in. He was gone the next day and we never heard from him again. Now we are out one skilled worker and he is out a career which had an absurd amount of room for advancement. Working a nice easy 8 hours just doesn't have the same appeal as staying home and playing video games all day. it's essentially incentivized LDAR.

You really need to incentivize younger people to put their energy into acquiring skills and learning new things. That ability only dwindles with age and we can't afford to have people in their 20's wasting these prime years. Society, and everyone within it, would suffer greatly if UBI was introduced.

[Dan_S]

As a liberal, people will support it because they want welfare.

No reason to be against it, unless the "middle class" receive money as well. I.e. anyone / family who makes between 60K - $100K

As a conservative, support it because everyone is taking money away from the government, so the government can't spend it on useless projects...ideally

Against it because UBI will potentially come from taxing businesses that will pass their costs on to the consumer.



Misc, why do you support or are against it. No Yang. If Trump or Biden wanted to pass UBI under different circumstances would you support it?

Biden will increase taxes on everyone making 80K and above and will tax businesses.

Trump will cut welfare to $0, so no one receives welfare anymore, now everyone gets a $2000 monthly check, but you have to be employed for at least 30 hours a week.

Discuss.

I'm amazed anyone could understand wtf OP is saying in this word salad.

I just want to point out that "Universal Basic Income" is just that, universal. Meaning everyone gets it and everyone gets the same amount.

This whole "only poor people get it" isn't UBI. That's just welfare. We already have that.

[CaliSuperSport]

Gibs never work. Address the issue of overpriced healthcare and education and don't require people to stay in their house because of the coof.

[isingmodel]

That is one ****ty poll, but yes I do support it

[Mr Beer]

fuk off

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[friesbruh]

UBI

perfect for lazy fuks with no financial or personal responsibility

[J411]

Its coming eventually. Sooner or later robots will replace about 35% of the labor in the country. Their won't be enough other jobs to absorb them all. I don't see it happening for a long time still though. Probably another twenty years or so and maybe longer. Though some jobs will likely be eliminated in the next decade so its going to be a gradual thing. First jobs that will be reduced/eliminated will be ride share jobs (uber), taxis, and long haul truck drivers. We are still at least five years away from that, but once it starts to come it will come quickly.

Another thing that will be changing is manufacturing. Tesla is pioneering it with car production. They are taking car parts and combining them in giant casting machines. Where before you needed multiple people to make certain parts with 70+ pieces welded and put together, these giant casting machines turn a piece of the car with 70+ parts and many welds into one giant piece of metal. Pretty cool and this will continue.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-mode...a-press-video/

The way I would think it would work:

Everyone gets X amount of money. Lets say 1,000.00 per month.

If you have a job, you get taxed on your paycheck an additional amount where you would break even and not receive any additional money at some point. Lets say basic income is 1k per month. if you make 50k, your taxes will go up by 500 per month for a net gain of $500.00. If you make 100k your taxes go up by 1,000.00 per month where you break even. But the amount of the extra tax would never exceed the 1,000.00. So worse case you are no better/no worse off. And you have the security of basic income if you ever lose your job/get injured/etc.

This amount should replace unemployment, welfare, workers comp, and any other subsidies from the government. If you lose your job, then you have the monthly payment already in place, and since you won't get a paycheck, you won't get taxed so you keep the whole thing.

Now some people might complain, but I was making 3k a month, I can't live on 1k a month. Well find a new job quick.

Or they might say, but workers comp would pay a lot more. Well, there are after market insurance you can buy which you should have had anyway from places like aflack if that is your worry.

It should be "basic" income, in other words just above the poverty line. People shouldn't get rich off it. You should have enough to buy a reasonable amount of food, pay rent, pay utilities and a few luxuries (cable, internet, etc).

By doing this we can cut tons of bureaucracy for more money savings. No more welfare dept, food stamps, unemployment, social security, etc. All the agencies and all the workers that work there would be gone and the savings would be insane. And on a bright side if they can't find another job they will have the universal basic income to fall back on.

Really this should be about break even on what we pay out now. It will just be one check v people getting money from several different agencies like HUD, welfare, food stamps, social security etc.

[TraderBrah]

I wonder if people were calling the guys riding in the early version of cars cucks since they didn't take the time honored and manly tradition of breaking in and riding horses?

Yeah because switching to a more efficient form of transportation is equivalent to most people giving up their livelihoods and being dependent on the state

[TraderBrah]

UBI is the future. The concept of money may even be obsolete.

Just like the agriculture revaluation that made us go from hunter gathers to building societies, this will be one of the biggest changes in human history.

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[LukeLissen]

You sound like a guy who says he would fight the guy 3 times his size only when hes not in the room.

Youre not going to do anything

AI future is inevitable. Its not about if itll happen its about when. Some miscer isnt going to stop it.

Its like the people who say they need a gun to fight back against a tyrannical government. You believe Biden stole the election right? Well than this is it, the tyrannical government. Yet they did nothing but take some selfies at the capitol because theyre all talk.

UBI is the future. The concept of money may even be obsolete.

Just like the agriculture revaluation that made us go from hunter gathers to building societies, this will be one of the biggest changes in human history.

You're like the kind of unfortunate idiot who lives in a tall skyscraper in a large city and believes the false Marxist propaganda that AI and robots are the future of all needed work and that hard working men and women and automobiles and gasoline aren't really needed for the world to work properly.

That's not reality. It's part of the Marxist propaganda scam against you. You're living in a literal delusional world. No those things aren't going to happen. There's a whole great big world out here that will always requires human beings to do human being things.

You've literally already turned yourself into a slave for those seeking to enslave you with lies.

[Seamanbeast]

You're like the kind of unfortunate idiot who lives in a tall skyscraper in a large city and believes the false Marxist propaganda that AI and robots are the future of all needed work and that hard working men and women and automobiles and gasoline aren't really needed for the world to work properly.

That's not reality. It's part of the Marxist propaganda scam against you. You're living in a literal delusional world. No those things aren't going to happen. There's a whole great big world out here that will always requires human beings to do human being things.

You've literally already turned yourself into a slave for those seeking to enslave you with lies.

Are you over your covid? If so, congratulations on enjoying modern medicine. On to the next point, so you truly believe that progress is going to just stop and it's going to be a world of slave labor and elites something like some dystopian future and we are all just going to be doing what, working in coal mines and on farms to feed these evil over-beings? Technological advancement has never stopped.... ever, since the dawn of mankind. Or maybe you think they are going to keep scientist slaves that work for making their future better but none of it gets passed down? None of that has ever worked and none of it has ever happened. You are imagining a fantasy world that can't happen.

[navid93]

You're like the kind of unfortunate idiot who lives in a tall skyscraper in a large city and believes the false Marxist propaganda that AI and robots are the future of all needed work and that hard working men and women and automobiles and gasoline aren't really needed for the world to work properly.

That's not reality. It's part of the Marxist propaganda scam against you. You're living in a literal delusional world. No those things aren't going to happen. There's a whole great big world out here that will always requires human beings to do human being things.

You've literally already turned yourself into a slave for those seeking to enslave you with lies.

Private companies choosing cheap AI labor over human workers is capitalism and free market.

Stop using Marxist as a buzzword to describe anything you don’t like.

[Seamanbeast]

The funniest part of all of the argument here is that these goofs are the ones that will benefit the most from robotics and AI, and yet they sit here and moan about "robots are gonna take er jobs!" and say they yearn to be out doing hard labor as they sit on their fat asses. These same people would have been the ones screaming about industrialization destroying the working farm and how "I ain't never turnin in my horse for one of them movin machines". They simply can't comprehend a world where their pathetic contributions to society through whatever "work" they do is obsolete and people just get to chill and relax more because of technology. I have an idea, why don't all of you just go live off of the grid and practice what you preach while the rest of us enjoy civilization.