Here is one for the Anti Maskers

[Plateauplower]

LMAO I ain't dead yet, I have only been to Minot and Fargo in ND briefly and flown over some parts of SD, it's freaken beautiful country, always wanted to go back, never did. I watched a lot of video's on Sturgis, I wanna go. I hear you on the people thing

Wife and I went to Yellowstone about 10 years ago. We liked the Black Hills part of the trip better. Less people, just as scenic as Yellowstone, better weather, not on a super volcano etc. still looking at other places that are off the beaten path. Never been to Glacier National Park, that’s an option. Let me know if you died. I’ll claim your camp, just need your password to login and delete your posts .

[Brackneyc]

If I run into any of these anti maskers I hope they aren't armed, I'm a joker, I wake up with a grin on my gob and it stays that way till I go to bed. I would seriously laugh my ass off at them losing their sh!t over a mask, don't think I could not laugh, even if I tried. So If I go shopping and don't come back, I probably took a round from one of these fuktards. First one to come and delete my browser history can have my camp, boat and motor and all the goodies that come with that.

Closing the border was a wise decision for Canada

Are the anti maskers approaching the masked about wearing a mask? I know it works the other way around. Seen it several times. Even happened to my wife.

[Corbi]

I do actually see LWW's point about trying to divide us. I mean we are talking about wearing a mask but in such an emotional way. Why is it such an emotional topic?

There are these outbursts resurfacing daily online people yelling about their god given right of not wearing masks, adults actually throwing tantrums like lil children. Have we always been this way or is it just that now we have cameras to record everything?

Behaviour has always been that way but now as you point out with the cell phones it's all captured. And it's not so much a right of not wearing mask vs being told what to do, we are supposed to be a free nation but when the government starts stepping in and telling people what they must wear, where they can shop, which stores can remain open, etc then it crosses the line and should never happen.

Oh Yeah Really???? I take offence to that! and I want corbi to apologize for what you just said, or sy should apologize, whichever..

(it's going to take me time to work out an elaborate justification why I'm offended, but it seems it's always possible to invent some reason to be offended on someone else's behalf if you try hard enough )

I'm half offended that you are truly offended and now that I think about it more I am even more offended. But like Supramax you haven't called me a Klansman either so once again I take it as a win.

Are the anti maskers approaching the masked about wearing a mask? I know it works the other way around. Seen it several times. Even happened to my wife.

I have never approached anyone about their wearing a mask and couldn't care less if they, I do laugh at a lot of them however. If someone approaches me about not wearing one it could get ugly depending on how far they want to push it? My opinion is you are wearing your cute little mask and staying away from me, so what threat am I posing to you???

[Plateauplower]

Corbi, Didn’t Wisconsin get all the governors recommendations tossed in court? It’s pretty much normal there as far as things being open (water parks, hotels etc?). I’m trying to figure out a vacation road trip ITT, and Illinois looks to be putting mandatory 14 day quarantine for people who go to certain places outside IL. Wisconsin isn’t on the list yet, but my new summer trip plan is going to be a road trip around Lake Michigan (probably start in MI, 15 hrs total drive time, probably make it a weeklong trip). I’m hoping Illinois makes it a mandatory quarantine just to leave the state, I’ll be able to extend my vacation by two weeks at least .

Decided to hold off on S. Dakota for now just too much driving with the kids (15 hrs each way, instead of 15 total broken up)

[Cass40]

Behaviour has always been that way but now as you point out with the cell phones it's all captured. And it's not so much a right of not wearing mask vs being told what to do, we are supposed to be a free nation but when the government starts stepping in and telling people what they must wear, where they can shop, which stores can remain open, etc then it crosses the line and should never happen.

If they knew how to stop this pandemic I wouldn't mind but it seems like they have no idea.

Now the governor closed everything but let the gyms be open. Arizona governor closed all the gyms. It's like they just make these random decisions and rules and I do understand that it is really weird and makes you question why should you follow these random rules that seem to change every day.

[Plateauplower]

If they knew how to stop this pandemic I wouldn't mind but it seems like they have no idea.

Now the governor closed everything but let the gyms be open. Arizona governor closed all the gyms. It's like they just make these random decisions and rules and I do understand that it is really weird and makes you question why should you follow these random rules that seem to change every day.

There is no stopping it. It’s hard to defeat nature...I really don’t think it can or will be stopped. Even with an effective vaccine. It will just be an another endemic disease that will circulate similar to the flu in populations that are not immune. People who have either had it, or have been vaccinated with a successful vaccine would likely not be susceptible or at least less so. There are a wider variety of flu strains, so in a few years it will likely be less lethal than influenza viruses in total mortality.

If the recommendations are coming from how they *should be* being made, whatever limited contact tracing they are doing, they would be using that to determine types of places that cases have in common. That said, contact tracing something that has a high rate of asymptomatic cases is pretty much an effort in futility. You would not be able to determine where people got it accurately because of all the missing data (asymptomatic contacts / locations where those people were).

Lots of people in close contact bad...Not a lot of people and some distance good. People should wash their hands with or without COVID concerns.

[LWW]

Are the anti maskers approaching the masked about wearing a mask? I know it works the other way around. Seen it several times. Even happened to my wife.

You are the man!

That’s what I have a problem with, nazis starting chit with people who know who to stay away. I may make fun of a mask but I never get on someone about wearing one.

If I’m doing heavy squats and feel I need to ditch the mask, and Arnold or anyone else wants to police me? Fuk you, and yes I’ve had a few, this is also how I feel witout a few!!!!!!!!

[KeepItMoving]

There is no stopping it. It’s hard to defeat nature...I really don’t think it can or will be stopped. Even with an effective vaccine. It will just be an another endemic disease that will circulate similar to the flu in populations that are not immune. People who have either had it, or have been vaccinated with a successful vaccine would likely not be susceptible or at least less so. There are a wider variety of flu strains, so in a few years it will likely be less lethal than influenza viruses in total mortality.

If the recommendations are coming from how they *should be* being made, whatever limited contact tracing they are doing, they would be using that to determine types of places that cases have in common. That said, contact tracing something that has a high rate of asymptomatic cases is pretty much an effort in futility. You would not be able to determine where people got it accurately because of all the missing data (asymptomatic contacts / locations where those people were).

Lots of people in close contact bad...Not a lot of people and some distance good. People should wash their hands with or without COVID concerns.

Well said. In fact, COVID-19, which is extremely virulent without being extremely lethal, is attenuating, like most viruses do. The Carona virus is one of the most mutable viruses that affect humans. The damn thing is developing what they call a G factor that makes its little spikes longer and stronger, so it clings better. In other words, it is becoming more virulent.

We can't stop the spread. We can slow it, somewhat, by not leaving our homes. That's not an option for all of us. It just isn't. We need to protect the susceptible; keep social distance and wear a mask in enclosed places; and develop a herd immunity. Of course, a safe, effective vaccine would be wonderful. Let's hope that comes.

Oh yeah, protest/rioters have no greater rights to congregate than churchgoers, business owners, patrons, workers, and people who want to observe the 4th of July and American's Independence.

(And I recognize and respect those who don't want to wear masks. The science just isn't there to argue against their position. I wear a mask out of social conscience and respect. And anyone who gives me **** about me wearing a mask when I'm out in public/closed spaces will hear my side of the argument unmasked)

[LWW]

Well said. In fact, COVID-19, which is extremely virulent without being extremely lethal, is attenuating, like most viruses do. The Carona virus is one of the most mutable viruses that affect humans. The damn thing is developing what they call a G factor that makes its little spikes longer and stronger, so it clings better. In other words, it is becoming more virulent.

We can't stop the spread. We can slow it, somewhat, by not leaving our homes. That's not an option for all of us. It just isn't. We need to protect the susceptible; keep social distance and wear a mask in enclosed places; and develop a herd immunity. Of course, a safe, effective vaccine would be wonderful. Let's hope that comes.

Oh yeah, protest/rioters have no greater rights to congregate than churchgoers, business owners, patrons, workers, and people who want to observe the 4th of July and American's Independence.

(And I recognize and respect those who don't want to wear masks. The science just isn't there to argue against their position. I wear a mask out of social conscience and respect. And anyone who gives me **** about me wearing a mask when I'm out in public/closed spaces will hear my side of the argument unmasked)

More excellent post, the political people want to take advantage and become hero’s anyway possible, even if it means catering to the crime lords.

If someone wants to wear a mask that’s great, plenty, actually more than enough will without any policy. The protesters take the masks off to yell and spit on people, and they get a pass because protesting is far more imporatant than putting food on the table and being a family.

[Fishman15]

There is no stopping it. It’s hard to defeat nature...I really don’t think it can or will be stopped. Even with an effective vaccine. It will just be an another endemic disease that will circulate similar to the flu in populations that are not immune. People who have either had it, or have been vaccinated with a successful vaccine would likely not be susceptible or at least less so. There are a wider variety of flu strains, so in a few years it will likely be less lethal than influenza viruses in total mortality.

If the recommendations are coming from how they *should be* being made, whatever limited contact tracing they are doing, they would be using that to determine types of places that cases have in common. That said, contact tracing something that has a high rate of asymptomatic cases is pretty much an effort in futility. You would not be able to determine where people got it accurately because of all the missing data (asymptomatic contacts / locations where those people were).

Lots of people in close contact bad...Not a lot of people and some distance good. People should wash their hands with or without COVID concerns.

Spot on PP. The sooner the masses can come to grips with this the sooner we can all get along with our life. Yes, we all have another flu like disease to deal with. I'm good with that. Let the chips fall where they may and the most vulnerable people need to be the most cautious. A little common sense with this will go a long way rather than this extreme, random, knee jerk reactions by these governors like we can just shut this virus off if we want to. Just my humble opinion though...

[OldFartTom]

Well said. In fact, COVID-19, which is extremely virulent without being extremely lethal, is attenuating, like most viruses do. The Carona virus is one of the most mutable viruses that affect humans. The damn thing is developing what they call a G factor that makes its little spikes longer and stronger, so it clings better. In other words, it is becoming more virulent.

We can't stop the spread. We can slow it, somewhat, by not leaving our homes. That's not an option for all of us. It just isn't. We need to protect the susceptible; keep social distance and wear a mask in enclosed places; and develop a herd immunity. Of course, a safe, effective vaccine would be wonderful. Let's hope that comes.

Oh yeah, protest/rioters have no greater rights to congregate than churchgoers, business owners, patrons, workers, and people who want to observe the 4th of July and American's Independence.

(And I recognize and respect those who don't want to wear masks. The science just isn't there to argue against their position. I wear a mask out of social conscience and respect. And anyone who gives me **** about me wearing a mask when I'm out in public/closed spaces will hear my side of the argument unmasked)

Unusual on topics like this to see a post so sensible that many people on both sides of the fence are likely to agree. Spread, but will rep when I can

[supramax]

... But like Supramax you haven't called me a Klansman either so once again I take it as a win...

We don't want any burning crosses in our front yards, okay?

[mtpockets]

Are the anti maskers approaching the masked about wearing a mask? I know it works the other way around. Seen it several times. Even happened to my wife.

I have not witnessed this, and haven't seen anything online about it, when I do i'll post it.

Of course it's going to happen, there are arseholes on both sides of every fence, only a fool would think otherwise.

[Fishman15]

Antifa is a small group of dumb weak wimps who can’t execute the simplest of plans and are scared of little girls. Yet you are scared of them which makes you a coward. Trump is a coward too.

Don't you have some flags to burn for the holiday weekend?

[Fishman15]

If they knew how to stop this pandemic I wouldn't mind but it seems like they have no idea.

Now the governor closed everything but let the gyms be open. Arizona governor closed all the gyms. It's like they just make these random decisions and rules and I do understand that it is really weird and makes you question why should you follow these random rules that seem to change every day.

It's almost like they are pandering to certain political supporters but not others by the randomness of many of the decisions...

[lotusdeva]

On the subject of death rate declining. There is a lot that happens on between a person gets COVID and dies. One of my friends son is 29 and been sick for the past 8 weeks. He tested positive when the symptoms started, now he is testing negative. He is constantly out of breath, lightheaded and basically can’t walk for long periods of time. Can’t function. Personally, I cannot afford to not function for 8 weeks

[Mark1T]

On the subject of death rate declining. There is a lot that happens on between a person gets COVID and dies. One of my friends son is 29 and been sick for the past 8 weeks. He tested positive when the symptoms started, now he is testing negative. He is constantly out of breath, lightheaded and basically can’t walk for long periods of time. Can’t function. Personally, I cannot afford to not be a deva for 8 weeks

Sorry about your friend's son.

Fixed that for ya, Ms. Deva

[mtpockets]

On the subject of death rate declining. There is a lot that happens on between a person gets COVID and dies. One of my friends son is 29 and been sick for the past 8 weeks. He tested positive when the symptoms started, now he is testing negative. He is constantly out of breath, lightheaded and basically can’t walk for long periods of time. Can’t function. Personally, I cannot afford to not function for 8 weeks

That's horrible, It's no flu that's for sure

I have read many stories similar to what you mentioned. Stay safe

[Plateauplower]

That's horrible, It's no flu that's for sure

I have read many stories similar to what you mentioned. Stay safe

My theory on that is because the virus is highly contagious, it does a lot of replicating in the host (longer infection before the person’s immune system can recognize and respond to the pathogen). More lung tissue damage will occur during that process. When a virus invades a host cell, it takes over the cells “machinery” and begins replicating itself like a photocopy machine. That goes on until the cell bursts (cellular lysis) and all those viral progeny go on to attack more host cells doing the same thing. IIRC, if a human cell is the size of the head of a pin, you could fit a million virus particles in that same space. So the longer the virus is replicating itself, the more damage it will cause to lung cells. I had lingering shortness of breath after whatever I had. It’s better now 6 months later, so I doubt the condition is permanent, but we don’t know for sure what the long term effects are (Ie cardiovascular damage etc). One of my friends just died of a heart attack yesterday competing in a small circuit stock car race (dirt track I think). He was 47, not sure if he had the COVID or not (I’m sure they will test), but that’s pretty young. He was a basketball coach and not in bad shape.

[lotusdeva]

Sorry about your friend's son.

Fixed that for ya, Ms. Deva

lol, thank you

[mtpockets]

My theory on that is because the virus is highly contagious, it does a lot of replicating in the host (longer infection before the person’s immune system can recognize and respond to the pathogen). More lung tissue damage will occur during that process. When a virus invades a host cell, it takes over the cells “machinery” and begins replicating itself like a photocopy machine. That goes on until the cell bursts (cellular lysis) and all those viral progeny go on to attack more host cells doing the same thing. IIRC, if a human cell is the size of the head of a pin, you could fit a million virus particles in that same space. So the longer the virus is replicating itself, the more damage it will cause to lung cells. I had lingering shortness of breath after whatever I had. It’s better now 6 months later, so I doubt the condition is permanent, but we don’t know for sure what the long term effects are (Ie cardiovascular damage etc). One of my friends just died of a heart attack yesterday competing in a small circuit stock car race (dirt track I think). He was 47, not sure if he had the COVID or not (I’m sure they will test), but that’s pretty young. He was a basketball coach and not in bad shape.

Informative and thought provoking post, it's probably good that younger kids aren't being hit hard, no telling the long term effects of the respiratory damage may have on them.. For some that pull through it definitely has life altering effects.

Sorry for your loss

[Brackneyc]

I have not witnessed this, and haven't seen anything online about it, when I do i'll post it.

Of course it's going to happen, there are arseholes on both sides of every fence, only a fool would think otherwise.

You and I can agree that there are a-holes on both sides. The problem in most cases (yes, most) is people only see the a-holes on the other side. Only a fool would think otherwise.

[Cass40]

You and I can agree that there are a-holes on both sides. The problem in most cases (yes, most) is people only see the a-holes on the other side. Only a fool would think otherwise.

Well I'm not on any "side", except for health and going back to work.

[Corbi]

Wife and I went to Yellowstone about 10 years ago. We liked the Black Hills part of the trip better. Less people, just as scenic as Yellowstone, better weather, not on a super volcano etc. still looking at other places that are off the beaten path. Never been to Glacier National Park, that’s an option. Let me know if you died. I’ll claim your camp, just need your password to login and delete your posts .

We enjoyed Yellowstone but we went very early in the season, it was the beginning of June and the park had just opened for the summer and there was still a lot of snow around along with snowmobiles. We camped out a few nights in a tent and it got down to the mid 30's at night but we stayed warm in our cozy sleeping bags. July and August are miserable with non stop traffic jams which we had none of. There were places in the park we would go where we were the only ones there and it was great.

[mtpockets]

Just told my suitcases we aren't going anywhere this year...now I'm dealing with emotional baggage

[Fishman15]

Just told my suitcases we aren't going anywhere this year...now I'm dealing with emotional baggage

The thing is, is that you would run out of vacation time by the time your quarantine was over. Nobody got no time for dat chit...

[Brackneyc]

The thing is, is that you would run out of vacation time by the time your quarantine was over. Nobody got no time for dat chit...

People have accepted quarantine as the new normal. The government has already stated that the flu could necessitate additional quarantine efforts.

[mtpockets]

From annoyed shoppers to uncooperative cops to lax subway riders to obstinate governors and presidents, too many people say they don’t want to wear masks to protect others from coronavirus. To which we — and the law — say: You’re dead wrong. (Note to the MTA: put mask reminder announcements on all trains and buses.)

What anyone does in the privacy of their home is their business. What do they do in public, at least in the thick of a pandemic, is the public’s business, and that’s as solid as the pants you’re wearing. Like every state, New York has a law requiring everyone wear pants, or something to cover down there. Penal Law §245.01, exposure of a person, states: “A person is guilty of exposure if he appears in a public place in such a manner that the private or intimate parts of his body are unclothed or exposed.”


Once, this law forbade exposed female breasts. But in a ruling from the state’s highest court handed down 28 years ago tomorrow, that was thrown out because there was no prohibition on exposed male breasts. The rest of the law remains. And we don’t know of anyone from here to Florida to Texas who claims the right to full-frontal nudity, which, unlike an exposed face these days, isn’t going to kill anyone.

Mandatory mask-wearing, now the law in 22 states, should be nationwide until the pandemic abates. Put it on one ear elastic at a time, just like everyone else.


https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/...yku-story.html

[Gabbar99]

[Mark1T]

My gym started requiring masks while we workout. Learned that this morning at 4:15AM. Workout was tough, especially squats. Thought I was going to die - almost.

Better than no gym, though.