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Man made virus/organizational planned strategy
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Natural from the wet market/unplanned
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03-21-2020, 07:47 PM #5191workout log(April 2020 edition): https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=178296981
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03-21-2020, 07:47 PM #5192
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03-21-2020, 07:50 PM #5193
yep
Transmissibility might actually be way under what they presented
Community spread may be only 20-25% where 75-80% is spread in confined spaces under extended period of hours (think houses or hospitals )
Maybe a more strategic approach is taken in terms of quarantiningDallas Cowboys
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03-21-2020, 07:50 PM #5194
The outbreak started in America (Maryland) in Aug 2019 ... The first case of death reported in US was in Washington...
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03-21-2020, 07:51 PM #5195
Not a professional but I don't believe it is a bioweapon. Conditions were prime for such a virus to mutate and spread, was only a matter of time.
I would expect a bioweapon to be much less contagious and have a higher fatality rate per case. I don't see the benefit in designing a bioweapon that could infect the whole planet.
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03-21-2020, 07:54 PM #5196
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03-21-2020, 07:57 PM #5197
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03-21-2020, 07:57 PM #5198
I tend to agree. If they wanted to release a weapon deliberately it wouldn't be this weak sauce- which is terrible for an average disease but not really going to permanently harm a nation.
All releasing something this "meh" by bioweapon standards does is give the USA & Europe a big wake up call about how inneffective their health care systems & pandemic responses are vs a real outbreak. I am assuming that going forward, USA & Europe (& Oz) will greatly improve their responses & systems based on this wake up call. So it just makes those nations better prepared if they ere ever to release a "real" killer.
I think this was just a dumb mistake. Bat to human disease transfers are quite common (so far as interspecies disease crossover goes). If it did come out of the Wuhan lab, it was likely some greedy shmuck selling their test bats for extra side hustle $$$ to the nearby market instead if incinerating them.Misc Aussie Crew
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03-21-2020, 07:58 PM #5199
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03-21-2020, 08:02 PM #5200
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03-21-2020, 08:03 PM #5201
95%
the only question is if the chinese government let it out on purpose or if it got out on accident.
It was stolen from canada and brought to wuhan
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03-21-2020, 08:06 PM #5202
this argument that it is "meh" and therefore not a bioweapon is a weak argument considering the economic and fear impact it has had everywhere.
- entire countries on lock down
- us market down 30%
- massive liquidity problems
- businesses shut down, impending recession
- borders closed
- travel restricted
- mass panic
but but but its a meh weapon. This has had a way bigger impact than any tomahawk strike or computer hack.
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03-21-2020, 08:07 PM #5203
Anyone with reasoning skills can see why it is sketchy.
Started in Wuhan China.
Right next to a BSL level 4 lab that was studying this exact virus.
China silenced doctors and nurses who tried to warn what was going on when it first started.
Silenced Chinese citizens who tried to warn the world.
Shutdown a city of 10 million to try to contain it.
When it couldn't be silenced they fabricated multiple stories how it started.
Ordered borders stay open with the world despite shutting down cities to keep up appearances.
Fabricated test results.
Changed criteria for test results to make it appear there weren't many cases
Cut off ALL outside communication from citizens.
Tried to blame USA.
Still haven't reopened many factories.
Sorry dude. Don't have any evidence. All of the above was just a coincidence though.
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03-21-2020, 08:08 PM #5204
99.9%
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03-21-2020, 08:10 PM #5205
From the report
It is important to note there is a difference between “never showing symptoms” and “pre-symptomatic” and the media is promoting an unproven narrative. Almost all people end up in the latter camp within five days, almost never the former. It is very unlikely for individuals with COVID-19 to never show symptoms. WHO and CDC claim that asymptomatic spread isn’t a concern and quite rare.
I do agree it’s probably not 1:1 but I still think it’s probably lower than previously thoughtDallas Cowboys
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03-21-2020, 08:11 PM #5206
These are the culprits.
It was a mammal jump from another mammal and then to human multi adaptation. The wet markets are "a ticking time bomb" of viruses.
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03-21-2020, 08:17 PM #5207
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03-21-2020, 08:17 PM #5208
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03-21-2020, 08:20 PM #5209
I am sure there is good information in there, I just can't take them seriously because they have towed a few too many CCP propaganda lines.
Also, species to species jumps are uncommon, but not rare. To have it jump a specie and then spread within that species is exceedingly rare. To have it jump that species, spread within that next species, make another species jump, and then spread within that specie is extremely, extremely, extremely rare.
Again. I do not believe this was a bio-weapon. I believe the virus was being studied in case it did ever make the jump to humans so that the world could prepare and possibly even a vaccine developed. I think China fuked up in their security precaution and it spread unintentionally.
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03-21-2020, 08:29 PM #5210
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03-21-2020, 08:30 PM #5211
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03-21-2020, 08:30 PM #5212
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03-21-2020, 08:30 PM #5213
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03-21-2020, 08:35 PM #5215
It's all a plan for the id2020 vaccine and then world control srs
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03-21-2020, 08:40 PM #5216
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03-21-2020, 08:45 PM #5217
Yeah but this is exactly what don't want this behavior from a bioweapon. You want to rapidly kill people where it is released, and then die off. You don't want a virus that's going to work its way back to your own country. If you want to spread throughout the enemy country you just release in multiple cities.workout log(April 2020 edition): https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=178296981
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03-21-2020, 08:46 PM #5218
I know he defined it. But he correlated asymptomatic people to the wrong figure in the model the imperial college used to estimate. Their variable was that asymptomatic spread is at 50% of symptomatic spread. The 1-10% of people being asymptomatic is not the same figure. If they’re 2-3 times more likely to spread than someone who is symptomatic then it would be 2-30% of future spread is asymptomatic spread (if asymptomatic spread is 33% then the imperial college assumption would actually be correct, as it would be 50% of symptomatic spread). So the imperial college isn’t 50x off, they’re most likely off, but not by nearly that much.
I already saw different media people picking up on this article and drawing the same conclusion that the imperial college estimate is off by that much, which would not be the appropriate conclusion because the author of the medium article equated two things which are not the same.They said she's gone too far this time
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03-21-2020, 08:48 PM #5219
Yes those chance mutations are explained here. Its why thats what it takes for it to transfer to humans. because typically the virus doesnt have the right "key" to latch on, only when it mutates in the right way. Otherwise any handling of animal ever would be soon devastating. Its that mutation that needs to jump and succeed which is why its so rare to have it become dangerous to humans.
So those wet markets are like a mutation lottery waiting to happen and increase the chances of what is described in this video around the 3:45 and specifically at 5:45 where it talks about a bat spilling over into a raccoon and then to humans.
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03-21-2020, 08:51 PM #5220
No, more like people from Maryland who were supposedly infected traveled all over the country and world, and not all of them who went somewhere went to Wuhan. So therefore wherever they went should have been infected like that too, especially that nearby area.
Again, makes no sense.
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