I'm finding that when I train with grindy lowish reps of 3-5 on every set, I'm just plateauing workout to workout unable to do one more rep or add weight for weeks on end. But when I do sets with 8-10 reps where I have a lot more control and things feel smoother, I end up finally being able to progress again. Why is that?
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02-15-2020, 07:52 AM #1
Why is progressive overload easier with medium reps than low reps?
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02-15-2020, 08:00 AM #2
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02-15-2020, 08:14 AM #3
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02-15-2020, 08:25 AM #4
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02-15-2020, 09:52 AM #5
No longer doing full body 5x a week, doing 3x a week now, was too much of a burden logistically with my schedule. I still think 5x a week is optimal if you're total weekly volume is 15 sets+ per muscle. I think that 3 hard sets for a muscle in a workout is about the max you can do before performance really declines so right now I'm doing 3 sets per muscle per workout for 9 sets weekly. With full body 5x a week, I was doing 2 sets per muscle each workout for 10 a week.
Anyways my routine now is alternating between workout A and B 3x a week:
Workout A
3 sets ring dips
3 sets ring pull ups
3 sets pistol squats
3 sets dragon flags for abs
3 sets superman plank holds 30 sec
Workout B
3 sets handstand push ups on parallettes
3 sets inverted ring rows
3 sets pistol squats
3 sets dragon flags for abs
3 sets L-sit holds 30 sec
Basically A rest B rest A rest rest
I also do 3 sets false grip hanging ring holds because I'm trying to learn to ring muscle up so I can combine the dips and pull ups into one exercise for workout A. I do another 3 sets every workout of 30 sec. wall handstand holds so I can start doing free handstand push ups. I have a 40lb adjustable weight vest I would use but ended up not using it anymore for the meantime, it was making the exercises way too hard."The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." -Sigmund Freud
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." -Leonardo da Vinci
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02-15-2020, 09:56 AM #6
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02-15-2020, 12:48 PM #7
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02-15-2020, 02:23 PM #8
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02-15-2020, 04:19 PM #9
Well it’s not surprising you’re struggling on lower reps.
You’re doing a bunch of calisthenics that are hard to progress in such a low rep range.
Unless you’re banging out massive amounts of reps of these at your BW, you have to load these so minimally to progress otherwise the % increase is too high.
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02-15-2020, 05:00 PM #10
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02-15-2020, 05:50 PM #11
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02-15-2020, 06:28 PM #12
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Uh, it’s actually something that has been gaining traction recently. I believe SuffolkPunch for instance is currently doing full body 5x a week and has talked about it quite a bit.
Obviously it’s a routine MUCH more tailored to advanced trainees, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a niche in which it can be effective.Last edited by Grizvok; 02-15-2020 at 06:35 PM.
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02-15-2020, 07:18 PM #13
Correct, but it’s just another way to structure your routine. OP’s past post was that it’s literally the only optimal way to train for everyone, people aren’t different and just want to think they are, and that all other routines are inferior.
Based on that post, I asked OP to post his routine since I assumed the real issue may be how he sets up his workouts.
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02-16-2020, 02:50 AM #14
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02-16-2020, 05:41 AM #15
You can make more progress in an area where you are currently less adapted.
If you've already thoroughly trained your very low rep range, you should already have thorough neuromuscular adaptions (i.e. already very skilled at contracting the muscle fibres)
If that's the case you may find that a higher rep range which is more dependent on muscle fibre bulk and endurance adaptions, will be less adapted (compared to your low rep skill) and so you should make better progress.
If the above describes your situation you should read up on periodization.
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