Official Mueller / Trump Screeching thread

[rampagefc77]

So once again...No collusion but possible obstruction. What's the statute of limitations on that? They said Trump could be indicted after he leaves office but what happens if he wins re-election?

The special counsel worked for the attorney general. Mueller handed his report to Barr, and it immediately became Barrs. Barr reviewed the "non-decision" with Rosenstein and DOJ lawyers and they concluded there was no evidence to support bringing charges against the president.

The case is closed.

[wincel]

Dear manifesto,

Go on...

[rampagefc77]

You'll have to ask Mueller that, bud.

So Mueller has lied under oath about his OLC decision, which directly contradicts Barr's testimony.

Mueller let criminals walk in the obstruction cases, people that he could have legally charged.. because? Keep in mind this is the same Mueller that charged everyone humanly possible. He charged people for getting the date of a meeting wrong. He charged Russian companies that didn't even exist. But he let people that obstructed his investigation walk? Right...

And he didn't follow prior independent/special counsel protocols where if crimes are found against a president, they are specifically listed?

All while inventing a new standard where Trump had to PROVE his INNOCENCE... seen nowhere else in the history of our law.

Do you believe what you type? Honest question.

[wincel]

So Mueller has lied under oath about his OLC decision, which directly contradicts Barr's testimony.

Mueller let criminals walk in the obstruction cases, people that he could have legally charged.. because? Keep in mind this is the same Mueller that charged everyone humanly possible. He charged people for getting the date of a meeting wrong. He charged Russian companies that didn't even exist. But he let people that obstructed his investigation walk? Right...

And he didn't follow people independent/special counsel protocols where if crimes are found against a president, they are specifically listed?

All while investing a new standard where Trump had to PROVE his INNOCENCE... seen nowhere else in the history of our law.

Do you believe what you type? Honest question.

These are all valid questions to ask, but the report still provides ample evidence of obstruction. None of the unresolved issues you brought up change that.

Yes. I do.

[rampagefc77]

These are all valid questions to ask, but the report still provides ample evidence of obstruction. None of the unresolved issues you brought up change that.

Yes. I do.

Have any of the possible obstruction episodes been exposed to cross examination? Have they had to hold up to scrutiny in a court of law or by a jury? Is there a verification process in place that allows us to know that everything written in that section is fact, and that no exculpatory evidence was left out?

No?

This is why these reports are meant to be kept from public view, and the DOJ is supposed to just tell us who is being charged, and who isn't. Because we have an uncorroborated fairytale written to hurt the reputation of the president, and the president never even got a chance to defend himself against the allegations. The DOJ isn't supposed to smear people that they cannot indict. But that is exactly what Mueller did. Because the whole point of the investigation was to smear Trump. And then Mueller has the audacity to say that he will only discuss what is written in his report... any legit questions that clearly contradict his report or call in to question his conclusions were brushed aside. The report is the bible and we cannot question any aspect of it... right.

If Mueller's goal was to get to the bottom of Russian's interference in our election, how could he not write about the false intel that was fed to our intelligence community from steele's Russian sources? That has had a profound impact on our elections and politics. That was 100% within his scope. Unless his real scope was to try to find dirt on trump.

[jtaylor2010]

These are all valid questions to ask, but the report still provides ample evidence of obstruction. None of the unresolved issues you brought up change that.

Yes. I do.

These are the types of things that are considered “evidence” that Trump obstructed.


- told Sessions not to recuse himself

- asked US intelligence agency leaders to publicly state that he wasn’t involved in Russian interference(which is true and would’ve been good for our country to go ahead and squash those baseless allegations)

- asked Comey to say that he wasn’t being investigated personally(which was true)





Actually pretty much all of the “evidence” of obstruction is because he called a bullsh!t investigation bullsh!t.

[rampagefc77]

These are the types of things that are considered “evidence” that Trump obstructed.


- told Sessions not to recuse himself

- asked US intelligence agency leaders to publicly state that he was involved in Russian interference(which is true and would’ve been good for our country to go ahead and squash those baseless allegations)

- asked Comey to say that he wasn’t being investigated personally(which was true)





Actually pretty much all of the “evidence” of obstruction is because he called a bullsh!t investigation bullsh!t.

McCabe under oath when asked if the investigation was ever obstructed or impeded-- No.

Mueller when asked if his investigation was ever obstructed or impeded in any way-- No.

Case closed.

[rampagefc77]

The quote of the day is from Trey Gowdy when he said "The person who learned the most about the Mueller report today is Robert Mueller."

[topperstyle]

The quote of the day is from Trey Gowdy when he said "The person who learned the most about the Mueller report today is Robert Mueller."

Lmao he is an animal. Absolute madman!

[Dan_S]

The media is so disingenuous.

Trump is a "loser" according to this, because they say he can still be prosecuted because of the OLC. Except Mueller walked that statement back. It's like they didn't even watch the whole thing maybe?

[Retoaded]

The media is so disingenuous.

Trump is a "loser" according to this, because they say he can still be prosecuted because of the OLC. Except Mueller walked that statement back. It's like they didn't even watch the whole thing maybe?

You only pick the pieces of quotes that make the best headlines.

[jlsnyderTypeR]

Lmao he is an animal. Absolute madman!

SNL couldn't come up with better material then what came out of this whole circus!

Who was Fusion GPS?

[rampagefc77]

SNL couldn't come up with better material then what came out of this whole circus!

Who was Fusion GPS?

Mueller said that it "wasn't in his purview" to determine if Mifsud was a Russian asset or western intelligence, if stele lied in his dossier, if his Russian sources lied to create a disinformation campaign against Trump, etc.

Uhh, what? His entire job was to get to the bottom of Russian interference in our elections and politics, and that would start with investigating if the claims against trump were credible. If they weren't credible (which they weren't), then his job should have been investigate the intent of the people who gave him that information (steele, fusion gps, the Russian sources, etc.).

[JUSA]

that's always been my favorite - people say if they disagree with Trump the cultists call them a Lib....it happens almost daily - how do people not see the hypocrisy?

Odd, I've disagreed with Trump on numerous occasions, whether it's his bombastic style or strong disagreement with some of his foreign policy maneuvers...

... yet nobody has ever called me a "lib" over them? Why is that?

[Dan_S]

You only pick the pieces of quotes that make the best headlines.

It's all getting so tiresome.

Like, wincel keeps making posts in this thread about how Trump can't stop an investigation into himself. I'm not sure if he's not being honest, or if he's picking his words very carefully. But the investigation wasn't into Trump. This was a whole big story, was it not? They even met with Trump and assured him he wasn't being investigated. And yet, several posts here by wincel that "Trump isn't allowed to obstruct an investigation into his own actions."

And then he's still wrong. Trump's the head of the Executive. He can do all sorts of things normal citizens can't.

He keeps saying that he actually did commit obstruction, but this is also undeniably false. At worst he thought about it. But the left has been heading down the path of thought crimes, so this makes sense.

I'm honestly getting a little sick of it. Our lefties (and the media, which is likely where they get it from) constantly just make up lies and then repeat them as often as possible as a point of reference for more lies. It makes me want to just check out of this entire section because it'd take so much time to call out every single time they just derail conversations with BS.

[5x10]

I did apply common sense. He could not charge. He presented the report. It is now up to the House to determine whether to impeach.

He found no evidence of collusion, but he appears to have found substantial evidence of obstruction.

not true

Mueller testified to Barr and others that the IOC standards did not prohibit him from prosecuting

Mueller then changed his story yesterday

[rampagefc77]

It's all getting so tiresome.

Like, wincel keeps making posts in this thread about how Trump can't stop an investigation into himself. I'm not sure if he's not being honest, or if he's picking his words very carefully. But the investigation wasn't into Trump. This was a whole big story, was it not? They even met with Trump and assured him he wasn't being investigated. And yet, several posts here by wincel that "Trump isn't allowed to obstruct an investigation into his own actions."

And then he's still wrong. Trump's the head of the Executive. He can do all sorts of things normal citizens can't.

He keeps saying that he actually did commit obstruction, but this is also undeniably false. At worst he thought about it. But the left has been heading down the path of thought crimes, so this makes sense.

I'm honestly getting a little sick of it. Our lefties (and the media, which is likely where they get it from) constantly just make up lies and then repeat them as often as possible as a point of reference for more lies. It makes me want to just check out of this entire section because it'd take so much time to call out every single time they just derail conversations with BS.

Trump's presidency has exposed the entire corrupt system. I never really paid attention to politics prior to this last election cycle, and I was fascinated to learn the amount of corruption and deception involved. Now it just disgusts me. Our only hope for positive change is if the people who orchestrated the coup are held accountable. It will absolutely destroy the FBI, DOJ, and reputation of our foreign allies who were involved, but it is necessary. Anything less and our country is lost. I'm not optimistic that anyone will ultimately held accountable. I think there will be a lashing of the actions of some people in the IG report and Durham's investigation, but nobody will actually be held accountable.

A slap on the wrist isn't sufficient.

[goody1]

The dems must be gluttons for punishment.
Now they want all of the special counsel grand jury witnesses to be forced to testify in front of congress.
Story is on CNN for anyone interested. Not going to link that trash in here.

[Retoaded]

not true

Mueller testified to Barr and others that the IOC standards did not prohibit him from prosecuting

Mueller then changed his story yesterday

he changed his story in the morning.

but then he changed it back after the lunch break and said the IOC did not prohibit him again.

[chaunce54]

The media is so disingenuous.

Trump is a "loser" according to this, because they say he can still be prosecuted because of the OLC. Except Mueller walked that statement back. It's like they didn't even watch the whole thing maybe?

They're banking on the fact that their audience certainly didn't.

[icetrauma]

The dems must be gluttons for punishment.
Now they want all of the special counsel grand jury witnesses to be forced to testify in front of congress.
Story is on CNN for anyone interested. Not going to link that trash in here.

I believe it was Bret Baier on Fox yesterday who said now the Dems are going to go from investigating the Mueller report to investigating the investigators.

[~Hades~]

Trump's presidency has exposed the entire corrupt system. I never really paid attention to politics prior to this last election cycle, and I was fascinated to learn the amount of corruption and deception involved. Now it just disgusts me. Our only hope for positive change is if the people who orchestrated the coup are held accountable. It will absolutely destroy the FBI, DOJ, and reputation of our foreign allies who were involved, but it is necessary. Anything less and our country is lost. I'm not optimistic that anyone will ultimately held accountable. I think there will be a lashing of the actions of some people in the IG report and Durham's investigation, but nobody will actually be held accountable.

A slap on the wrist isn't sufficient.

All of this

[badreligion]

The special counsel worked for the attorney general. Mueller handed his report to Barr, and it immediately became Barrs. Barr reviewed the "non-decision" with Rosenstein and DOJ lawyers and they concluded there was no evidence to support bringing charges against the president.

The case is closed.

Any logical and rational person would think so but you know this is going to keep rearing it's head.

[primetime32]

The special counsel worked for the attorney general. Mueller handed his report to Barr, and it immediately became Barrs. Barr reviewed the "non-decision" with Rosenstein and DOJ lawyers and they concluded there was no evidence to support bringing charges against the president.

The case is closed.

Absolutely, but that doesn't prevent the dems from going forward on the impeachment process. I don't think they will because it's going to be a loser in the senate and it will be a loser in the court of public opinion.

[Procta]

Wish there was a way to tally up the Screech counts from both side of this thread

[Tuksonrider]

It's all getting so tiresome.

Like, wincel keeps making posts in this thread about how Trump can't stop an investigation into himself. I'm not sure if he's not being honest, or if he's picking his words very carefully. But the investigation wasn't into Trump. This was a whole big story, was it not? They even met with Trump and assured him he wasn't being investigated. And yet, several posts here by wincel that "Trump isn't allowed to obstruct an investigation into his own actions."

And then he's still wrong. Trump's the head of the Executive. He can do all sorts of things normal citizens can't.

He keeps saying that he actually did commit obstruction, but this is also undeniably false. At worst he thought about it. But the left has been heading down the path of thought crimes, so this makes sense.

I'm honestly getting a little sick of it. Our lefties (and the media, which is likely where they get it from) constantly just make up lies and then repeat them as often as possible as a point of reference for more lies. It makes me want to just check out of this entire section because it'd take so much time to call out every single time they just derail conversations with BS.

Just because you said so, doesn't make it true.

The report and Mueller's testimony did show that Trump tried to obstruct justice. That he put pressure on the investigation, either directly or through those directly below him.

[tng83]

Off topic, but who doesn't love this hip, new age look of tennis shoes and semi dress wear?

Pretty sure shes like 8 months pregnant. She coukd have worn black flats or something that looked a little more appropriate though.

[5x10]

Just because you said so, doesn't make it true.

The report and Mueller's testimony did show that Trump tried to obstruct justice. That he put pressure on the investigation, either directly or through those directly below him.

mueller testified yesterday that his investigation was not curtailed in any way

[Procta]

The report and Mueller's testimony did show that Trump tried to obstruct justice. That he put pressure on the investigation, either directly or through those directly below him.

then we go back to why wasnt he charged

rinse & repeat

[jtaylor2010]

Just because you said so, doesn't make it true.

The report and Mueller's testimony did show that Trump tried to obstruct justice. That he put pressure on the investigation, either directly or through those directly below him.

So the guy who had the power to shut down the entire thing but didn’t hinder the investigation in any way may have done things that could possibly be considered attempting to affect the investigation. Are these really the goal posts we’re playing with now??