Where's the Beef?

[ChazWood]

Beyond Meat (BYND), the company growing the "Beyond Burger" was up <160% on its first day of trading. After day one the company sits at a $1.49B valuation. So, have they done it? Have they created the meatless burger normal people would enjoy?

"If you look at it long enough ... you begin to understand that meat is knowable and material," Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown told Business Insider following the company's explosive IPO.

It requires 22 ingredients for the Beyond Burger to replicate the taste and texture of a classic hamburger — here's what they are

Water
Pea Protein Isolate
Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil
Refined Coconut Oil

The Beyond Burger also contains 2% or less of:

Cellulose from Bamboo
Methylcellulose
Potato Starch
Natural Flavor
Maltodextrin
Yeast Extract
Salt
Sunflower Oil
Vegetable Glycerin
Dried Yeast
Gum Arabic
Citrus Extract (to protect quality)
Ascorbic Acid (to maintain color)
Beet Juice Extract (for color)
Acetic Acid
Succinic Acid
Modified Food Starch
Annatto (for color)

and Unicorn?



Anyone eaten one of these and if so, what's the verdict?

[Mark1T]

Chazzy, brilliant thread. I have not had one, yet.

Is there any nutritional information? What is the purpose besides pleasing vegans and climate-change-ites?

If the protein, taste and good fats without the bad fats, might be great.

Sounds like from a business perspective that the company is in a good position.

[ChazWood]

Good questions Marky.

Franky I'd like to see them succeed. They've been at it for 10 years - grinding away if you will.

Lots of big players in the game like Cargill and Hormel. "The US meat-processing giant Tyson Foods said last week that it sold its 6.5% Beyond Meat stake as it looked to develop its own line of meat alternatives."

I just like this dude and always root for the underdog.



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[mtpockets]

Good questions Marky.

Franky I'd like to see them succeed. They've been at it for 10 years - grinding away if you will.

That's no bull

[x-trainer ben]

https://impossiblefoods.com/food/

A family member has been telling me that this is THE BURGER to get. I guess there are 2 players in the vegan meat wars.

[mtpockets]

https://impossiblefoods.com/food/

A family member has been telling me that this is THE BURGER to get. I guess there are 2 players in the vegan meat wars.

I'll have to pass, I prefer my meat to have had parent's at some point. I don't fault people for eating this, kudo's to them but not on my plate.

[Mark1T]

Good questions Marky.

Franky I'd like to see them succeed. They've been at it for 10 years - grinding away if you will.

Lots of big players in the game like Cargill and Hormel. "The US meat-processing giant Tyson Foods said last week that it sold its 6.5% Beyond Meat stake as it looked to develop its own line of meat alternatives."

I just like this dude and always root for the underdog.



https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-5-1028162655

I understand and completely agree. I love to see good and honest entrepreneurs succeed

https://impossiblefoods.com/food/

A family member has been telling me that this is THE BURGER to get. I guess there are 2 players in the vegan meat wars.

Competition is always good. Makes better products and there is room for both.

[7Seconds]

Anyone eaten one of these and if so, what's the verdict?

It's a pretty tasty burger if you check your expectations of it tasting or feeling exactly like meat. Definitely among the best fake meat options. It tastes good. It competes with meat. As a meat eater, I would eat it again. But it doesn't taste like meat to me.

That's ok.

[7Seconds]

https://impossiblefoods.com/food/

A family member has been telling me that this is THE BURGER to get. I guess there are 2 players in the vegan meat wars.

Impossible doesn’t sell to consumers yet, and their attempts to get the burger on store shelves has been a kind of a ridiculous process; they got FDA approval for heme, the yeast-made substance responsible for the “meat” taste as well as red “blood” color as a GRAS (generally recognized as safe) food ingredient, but then was told that they needed to get it approved as a safe food color separately, a long time later.


In restaurants if cooked properly I’ve found that they are pretty tasty, though you do have to treat it like a hamburger - e.g. bun, cheese, LTOP, and sauces are important to the experience. When you do that, you can tell its not beef, but I’ve found it’s also good - and “beef-like” enough that I ordered it over normal patties, though I wouldn’t want to go bunless. I’ve been to places, though, that take the Impossible Burger and cook it until it’s the texture of a cheap off-brand veggie burger patty, and it’s disgusting then. Sawdust-like in both flavor and consistency.

[steffo99]

Giving themselves such valuation following a 29 mill loss...these better be beyond yummy as well.

[MajorTendonitis]

I just wish like fk that someone could create a healthy bun that tastes good.

[7Seconds]

Giving themselves such valuation following a 29 mill loss...these better be beyond yummy as well.

This company will be bought up by a General Mills/Mondelez type in the coming years. It's inevitable. They're a very small fish in a pond with a few massive ones. Food companies can survive a little but eventually one of the Big Food companies will give them an offer they can't refuse. Were they to refuse a buyout, the market would force them into irrelevance so fast, it'd make Blue Apron say "damn".

[V-240]

I tried the Carl's Jr / Hardee's version, and I liked it! And I'm a big red meat guy.

[Bando]

Is there any nutritional information? What is the purpose besides pleasing vegans and climate-change-ites?

If the protein, taste and good fats without the bad fats, might be great.

From what I've read the nutritional value is about equal to a traditional burger.

If I need to quit eating hamburgers for the environment, I don't need a substitute vegan burger, I'm fine with salad and chicken. If they take away steak, well then the guns are coming out.

[Karl_Hungus]

Beyond Meat (BYND), the company growing the "Beyond Burger" was up <160% on its first day of trading. After day one the company sits at a $1.49B valuation. So, have they done it? Have they created the meatless burger normal people would enjoy?

"If you look at it long enough ... you begin to understand that meat is knowable and material," Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown told Business Insider following the company's explosive IPO.

It requires 22 ingredients for the Beyond Burger to replicate the taste and texture of a classic hamburger — here's what they are

Water
Pea Protein Isolate
Expeller-Pressed Canola Oil
Refined Coconut Oil

The Beyond Burger also contains 2% or less of:

Cellulose from Bamboo
Methylcellulose
Potato Starch
Natural Flavor
Maltodextrin
Yeast Extract
Salt
Sunflower Oil
Vegetable Glycerin
Dried Yeast
Gum Arabic
Citrus Extract (to protect quality)
Ascorbic Acid (to maintain color)
Beet Juice Extract (for color)
Acetic Acid
Succinic Acid
Modified Food Starch
Annatto (for color)

and Unicorn?



Anyone eaten one of these and if so, what's the verdict?

I don't think I would like this. I prefer to eat my gum arabic and methylcellulose by themselves. I never mix them together.

[ElrondHubbard]

I'll have to pass, I prefer my meat to have had parent's at some point. I don't fault people for eating this, kudo's to them but not on my plate.

Most plants reproduce sexually too.

I'm curious about the quality of the protein, if it's complete, and if the BCAAs are there.

[Mark1T]

From what I've read the nutritional value is about equal to a traditional burger.

If I need to quit eating hamburgers for the environment, I don't need a substitute vegan burger, I'm fine with salad and chicken. If they take away steak, well then the guns are coming out.

I'm going to look into that.

I don't think I would like this. I prefer to eat my gum arabic and methylcellulose by themselves. I never mix them together.

I admire your traditionalist values in regards to chemical compounds, Karlito.

[Karl_Hungus]

Most plants reproduce sexually too.

In college I watched a documentary called "Sexual Encounters of the Floral Kind". Let me tell you....that sh!t was f'ckin hot...

I admire your traditionalist values in regards to chemical compounds, Karlito.

You know how I roll bruh....

[Mark1T]

In college I watched a documentary called "Sexual Encounters of the Floral Kind". Let me tell you....that sh!t was f'ckin hot...

So, you tease us with all this plant erotica, but don't give us a link. You playin' us, Karlo?

[OldFartTom]

I'm in the wrong country to buy these, but I've eaten burgers made based pea protein and oils flavoured with yeast extract, soy extract etc that taste actually pretty darn good. The thing is that these have been around for at least 25 years (in my experience anyway, so could be longer).

I'm sure it's a good tasting burger but as a product this is nothing new. What may be new is taking a relatively unremarkable food product (so the company actually has close to zero intellectual property) massively and successfully pumping it with hype to this extent, then realising cash from it (in form of shares IPO). Big losses for the many and giant gains for a select few, but not round the waist, in the wallet.

An old trick dressed in new clothes.

[SPP1]

I've tried a few of their products, thanks to that whole Lent thing. The burgers aren't terrible, but they'll never make you forget about a real hamburger. And you'll probably need some Tums. The "sausage" went right in the garbage after one bite.

Also, FWIW, the first time I tried the burgers they came in a 4 pack. The second time, they came in the same packaging, but it was only 2 burgers and they charged the same price as before.

[LWW]

If I need to quit eating hamburgers for the environment, I don't need a substitute vegan burger, I'm fine with salad and chicken. If they take away steak, well then the guns are coming out.

Amazing (well not really, because they are generally stupid) how the public is falling for that lie.

Does the "guns coming out" mean your going to hunt deer for steak? Deer meat is far better anyway, but by then the same wackos are going to take away those guns before long.

7Seconds, do you even know anything about "training"?

[Bando]

Does the "guns coming out" mean your going to hunt deer for steak? Deer meat is far better anyway, but by then the same wackos are going to take away those guns before long.

Yes, I've harvested and prepared/ate deer. Venison is not nearly is tasty as beef but far more plentiful. I dropped my deer license because in my state they keep jacking the price and fees for the license - where I live it's a nuisance, kills more people in North America than any other animal. But the gubm'nt wants to jack up my fees every year for the "privilege" to hunt. I'm doing society a favor FFS.

[Squid24]

I skimmed over most of this thread to see who or where to get it. I would like to try it.

I don't have any of these in my area..sooo...

I tried the Carl's Jr / Hardee's version, and I liked it! And I'm a big red meat guy.

me too

[Mark1T]

I skimmed over most of this thread to see who or where to get it. I would like to try it.

I don't have any of these in my area..sooo...

me too

I have not tried it yet, either. But, I would like to. Might order, but not #1 on priority list.

[Casca]

I don't care to be a vegetarian.

And I don't want to eat something that is artificially created to taste like animal. I will eat actual meat.

I think if you are some absurd person, you should think eating something that was artificially created to taste like animals is exactly like eating animals and that would be wrong. Why would a vegetarian/vegan want the taste of animal?????????? Maybe because we are suppose to eat like that.

[Cantplankwell]

I wanted to try these so I went out and picked them up at a nearby grocery store after doing a "where to buy" search. I spoke to the butcher briefly about them...he said they were flying off the shelf. You can also get them at A&W restaurants...right at the drive thru. I decided to do a quick comparison, it wasn't overly scientific, just a blue collar guy doing a quick comparison/impression. They were cooked on a propane BBQ, along with a product I regularly consume: "Presidents Choice" Blue Menu Angus frozen burgers" (the PC BL Menu line of products are supposed to be healthier choice products) The PC products are a common fixture in a number of Canadian grocery store chains. The thing that struck me first was the cost, 2 burgers for C$7.99. The PC Burgers are C$13 or so for 8 Patties. Everyone knows the cost for packaged ground beef if you buy it regularly, lets say its a few $ for a enough of that to make a couple of burgers

Some basic facts, I will post the ingredients tomorrow my phone is not cooperating with my laptop right now:

Beyond Meat: 113g per serving, 270 calories, 20g protein, 5g saturated fat 390mg sodium C$7.99 for two patties
PC :128g per serving, 200 calories, 20g protein, 4.5g saturated fat, 520mg sodium C$12.99 for 8 patties
My Wifes Veggie Burger: 100g per serving, 170 calories, 10g protein (approx), dont know the saturated fat, cost $cheap

From frozen on the grill they cooked up almost exactly the same as the PC burgers, there was a bit more flare up from dripping ingredients, the PC burgers are notoriously dry (if you overcook them you could probably shingle a roof with them). The patties were served on a generic no name white bun (130 Calories) with minimal dress up: just relish and mustard, we were out of tomatoes (FFS I was just at the supermarket). I found the taste nice, my wife liked it as well, but it was definitely not beef...it also had a less "salty" taste to it, it did not come across as weird tasting (what I expected) it was well....understated. Yes even though I am enrolled in the skinny hangry thread I ate two fully bunned burgers...one beyond meat...the other the PC...a 730 calorie lunch.

How does the product fit in with me? I would not buy this regularly myself, why...as a family guy...It loses out on the most stuff for the least calories/cost equation for me. As well the product might have an excessive amount of packaging, with its heavy plastic tray, plastic film cover, and cardboard sleeve..this is a turn off for me. I think a true interesting comparison would be how much greenhouse gas goes into the production and distribution of the product per lb or gram (or how much animal suffering if that is an issue for you). Purely from that point of view my wifes veggie burger wins there because we can walk to the local farmers market, most of the stuff there is locally grown and transported a short distance, no cows are killed in the process (if that is an issue). That being said however it might be a good last minute choice if you discover that some of your guests coming to your impromptu cook out are vegetarians (or whatever you call them now). Again with plenty of warning my wife would whip up a batch of her famous veggie burgers, me I will go to the butcher shop a few blocks from here...I could even ride my bicycle there if I wanted and get some local medium ground to make my patties with..wrapped in that paper stuff.

[SPP1]

For what it's worth...
https://www.momsacrossamerica.com/gm...nic_glyphosate

“We are shocked to find that the Impossible Burger can have up to 11X higher levels of glyphosate residues than the Beyond Meat Burger according to these samples tested. This new product is being marketed as a solution for “healthy” eating, when in fact 11 ppb of glyphosate herbicide consumption can be highly dangerous. Only 0.1 ppb of glyphosate has been shown to alter the gene function of over 4000 genes in the livers, kidneys and cause severe organ damage in rats. I am gravely concerned that consumers are being misled to believe the Impossible Burger is healthy.” stated Zen Honeycutt, Executive Director of Moms Across America.

Glyphosate is the herbicide Monsanto uses in Roundup that seems to be causing cancer. Maybe it's just a hit job by Beyond Meat to take down Impossible Burger, but I guess I won't buy either of these products.

Just wanted you guys to be aware.

[mtpockets]