Dumb Donald says wind power doesn't work because 'it only blows sometimes'

[wesleysh21]

You’re talking to a guy who claimed that alleged victims of crime can’t be legal witnesses to that event.

When I pushed back his response was that the defendant would then be able to testify in their defense - which he thought was absurd.

What the hell are you talking about? What was the scenario?

[kel_varnsen]

Man oh man, if only someone would invent batteries that store electricity.

Quickly conservatives, get on it. You can finally come up with something useful for this country.

Wrong.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...n-up-the-grid/

Wind and solar are unreliable energy sources, as they can't be scaled according to demand. That creates problems for grid management.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...e-other-animal

[chaunce54]

At least we know OP blows all of the time.

[Jacobcapra]

Wow, page 1 was an absolute blast to read, lotta armchair environmentalists ITT with no real bearing on the engineering behind alternative energy


The short of is, Trump's right unless you over-contextualize his statement.

Oh, and Sillie has no fukking clue what he's talking about, lmao. Tbh I hate to see the board be so one-sided against liberals, but guys Sillie are giving liberals a horrible rep in threads like these. Brb try to hate on Trump for a seemingly stupid statement, only to learn it's accurate and OP is actually the stupid one.

[Cleveland33]

Wrong.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...n-up-the-grid/

Wind and solar are unreliable energy sources, as they can't be scaled according to demand. That creates problems for grid management.
https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...e-other-animal

That's the big issue no one considers is that the grid has to have available power at any given moment, any that isn't used is wasted. So we will never be able to rely (at least with current expectations - batteries wouldn't suffice) on wind and solar ONLY because if there is a spike, they need to be able to ramp up generation which you can't do with renewables.

[Jacobcapra]

That's the big issue no one considers is that the grid has to have available power at any given moment, any that isn't used is wasted. So we will never be able to rely (at least with current expectations - batteries wouldn't suffice) on wind and solar ONLY because if there is a spike, they need to be able to ramp up generation which you can't do with renewables.

The only renewable energy source that I recall off the top of my head that is scalable would be hydroelectric throttled by a manmade dam.


Of course you won't get a fraction of what you need for the US with that alone.

[kel_varnsen]

The only renewable energy source that I recall off the top of my head that is scalable would be hydroelectric throttled by a manmade dam.


Of course you won't get a fraction of what you need for the US with that alone.

There are two long term solutions: battery storage or vast national/transnational grid integration that cancels out (some) of the variation in energy production. Sadly, both are decades away.

[Cleveland33]

The only renewable energy source that I recall off the top of my head that is scalable would be hydroelectric throttled by a manmade dam.

Of course you won't get a fraction of what you need for the US with that alone.

The only other I can think of that it MAY be possible would be tidal since the tides are known and consistent - which is the big issue with the other renewables.

[SillieBazzillie]

The only renewable energy source that I recall off the top of my head that is scalable would be hydroelectric throttled by a manmade dam.


Of course you won't get a fraction of what you need for the US with that alone.

Cars will never replace horses dagnabit! And anyways, there ain't no place round these parts to get that wachacallit "gazoline."

Just like the tv doesn't work when the wind stops blowing...

lmfao at all you cultist in here defending every single moronic thing he says.

"wind isn't scale able so of course wind can't power the whole world hur dur. Cult leader orange was right"

Man y'all are SAD. This was just one more in the mile long things of stupid chit he's said. Just nod your heads and move on like good little cultist should.

[tng83]

Man oh man, if only someone would invent batteries that store electricity.

Quickly conservatives, get on it. You can finally come up with something useful for this country.

They arent efficient enough to be a sole source of power. No matter how many batteries you have. Do you even electrical?

[SillieBazzillie]

They arent efficient enough to be a sole source of power. No matter how many batteries you have. Do you even electrical?

lmfao

[Cleveland33]

lmfao

[SillieBazzillie]

This actually shows wind is pretty efficient boyo.

[Cleveland33]

This actually shows wind is pretty efficient boyo.

Right but it doesn't account for the reliability factor.

[dannyg1217]

This actually shows wind is pretty efficient boyo.

you're confusing efficiency with capacity. Not even close to the same. Capacity factor shows how much it did generate versus its total capability. That's closer to the teens, solar has a higher rating at about 25%. We have to report this to balancing authorities.

[SillieBazzillie]

you're confusing efficiency with capacity. Not even close to the same. Capacity factor shows how much it did generate versus its total capability. That's closer to the teens, solar has a higher rating at about 25%. We have to report this to balancing authorities.

I didn't post up the chart boyo. And I'm not some super wind homo either. I was simply saying that idiot Trump's statement that "if the wind stops blowing you can't watch tv" is like most of what he says, wrong. Of course people have backups to wind just like they do with solar. He's had a hard on for wind energy ever since he got his ass kicked in court by the Irish or Scottish government about building a wind farm off the coast of one of his chitty golf courses. He's simply a douche bag.

[Cleveland33]

I didn't post up the chart boyo. And I'm not some super wind homo either. I was simply saying that idiot Trump's statement that "if the wind stops blowing you can't watch tv" is like most of what he says, wrong. Of course people have backups to wind just like they do with solar. He's had a hard on for wind energy ever since he got his ass kicked in court by the Irish or Scottish government about building a wind farm off the coast of one of his chitty golf courses. He's simply a douche bag.

he's not wrong to point it out - people are misunderstood and think that one day we could be on all solar and wind for 100% generation and it is simply not true

[MoeBettuh]

Thousands of studies is of course a hyperbole. Contrary to popular believe, the science is not "settled" in this case at all. In science you can disagree with each other. You can have numerous of studies about different causation theories for the same result, each providing some margin of evidence that could support such a claim. For every study that finds evidence of anthropogenic climate change, a study exists showing the opposite.

The biggest issue with climate studies that support anthropogenic climate change is that they are based on computer simulations, and not real world observations. Real world observations often contradict computer model results. The climate is extremely complex, involving so many different variables many of which we don't even understand yet, and as such no model can accurately cover all of them. The question then is, how much trust do you put in models that are, from the onset, flawed. You just don't know how flawed they are.

Then there is also the matter of motivation and sponsorship. Would you outright believe a study sponsored by, or including scientists linked to, British American Tobacco or treat it with some skepticism? If the latter, why not do the same with climate studies that are sponsored by, or including scientists linked to, "green" industries, activist groups and so on?

Strong post, repped.

Also, Sillie obviously doesn't understand hyperbole, given his numerous posts itt that ignore it.

This actually shows wind is pretty efficient boyo.

You and Pat are in here looking pretty silly, srs.

[SillieBazzillie]

he's not wrong to point it out - people are misunderstood and think that one day we could be on all solar and wind for 100% generation and it is simply not true

Whoever claimed we would? Nope, the idiot really think the tv won't turn on when the wind doesn't blow.

But you think your emperor is resplendent in beautiful robes while the rest of us can see his saggy balls and bitch tits.

[Jrd86]

Pretty sure you do need WIND to make WIND turbines work...Where are we going to put all these wind turbines again?

[Fishman15]

Pretty sure you do need WIND to make WIND turbines work...Where are we going to put all these wind turbines again?

Instead of planting a maple tree in your front yard you can...

[dannyg1217]

I didn't post up the chart boyo. And I'm not some super wind homo either. I was simply saying that idiot Trump's statement that "if the wind stops blowing you can't watch tv" is like most of what he says, wrong. Of course people have backups to wind just like they do with solar. He's had a hard on for wind energy ever since he got his ass kicked in court by the Irish or Scottish government about building a wind farm off the coast of one of his chitty golf courses. He's simply a douche bag.

I know you didnt post it but you cant even decifer between efficiency and capacity and you do sound all homo for renewables. If we move towards 100% renewables we'll either end up paying out the ace for batteries and our rates will skyrocket or we have rolling blackouts. So his statement has some truth to it. I just wish they'd leave this stuff to engineers instead of liberals who think wind and solar are new and emerging technologies.

[Fishman15]

I didn't post up the chart boyo. And I'm not some super wind homo either. I was simply saying that idiot Trump's statement that "if the wind stops blowing you can't watch tv" is like most of what he says, wrong. Of course people have backups to wind just like they do with solar. He's had a hard on for wind energy ever since he got his ass kicked in court by the Irish or Scottish government about building a wind farm off the coast of one of his chitty golf courses. He's simply a douche bag.

Time to turn the tv off darling...

[wesleysh21]

Whoever claimed we would? Nope, the idiot really think the tv won't turn on when the wind doesn't blow.

But you think your emperor is resplendent in beautiful robes while the rest of us can see his saggy balls and bitch tits.

We should power windmills with cow farts

[kel_varnsen]

I didn't post up the chart boyo. And I'm not some super wind homo either. I was simply saying that idiot Trump's statement that "if the wind stops blowing you can't watch tv" is like most of what he says, wrong. Of course people have backups to wind just like they do with solar. He's had a hard on for wind energy ever since he got his ass kicked in court by the Irish or Scottish government about building a wind farm off the coast of one of his chitty golf courses. He's simply a douche bag.

Solar has, in principle, the exact same problem as wind, even though solar is more predictable. Add both solar and wind to the electricity grid, and you'll have an extremely complex electricity production interaction, which makes it really hard to adjust supply and demand (large deviations could lead to rolling blackouts or damaged equipment). Wind and solar can provide us with some of the energy we need, but they are too unreliable to fully supply us. Long term this will be solved with more efficient storage and/or large transregional grids, but these are decades away.

Trump was right. Wind power only works when there is wind. Electricity can't be stored efficiently and for a reasonable price.

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/10/109608...rgy-duck-curve
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...n-up-the-grid/

[Cleveland33]

Solar has, in principle, the exact same problem as wind, even though solar is more predictable. Add both solar and wind to the electricity grid, and you'll have an extremely complex electricity production interaction, which makes it really hard to adjust supply and demand (large deviations could lead to rolling blackouts or damaged equipment). Wind and solar can provide us with some of the energy we need, but they are too unreliable to fully supply us. Long term this will be solved with more efficient storage and/or large transregional grids, but these are decades away.

Trump was right. Wind power only works when there is wind. Electricity can't be stored efficiently and for a reasonable price.

https://www.vox.com/2016/2/10/109608...rgy-duck-curve
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6...n-up-the-grid/

interesting - I actually am of the ilk that we should be moving to smaller grids - possibly even on a neighborhood level.

[kel_varnsen]

interesting - I actually am of the ilk that we should be moving to smaller grids - possibly even on a neighborhood level.

That's probably better suited to an electricity grid based on renewable energy sources. The problem is that every grid in the western world is built on a top down approach, that has evolved over many decades. Our entire society is built on it. I don't see how we could restructure our energy system, without causing massive economic problems. Fact is, renewable energy can be added to the system in an efficient manner, up until some threshold. What is that threshold? I don't know. But at some critical point, the costs far outweigh the benefits (including co2 emission cuts). Anyone who thinks the US for instance can be supplied by renewable energy alone is clueless. At least for the next 2-3 decades.

[bezarker]

[JoshSP1985]

So wind that provides power say 80% of the time, and the other 20% is provided by fossil fuels is worse than using fossil fuels 100% of the time?

And dumb donald literally said the when the wind doesn't blow you can't watch tv.

To have wind provide that much of the power every time you drove anywhere outside of a city you would see this

Absolutely disgusting, completely destroys a landscape.

Wind power is horrible from multiple perspectives,

inconsistent
unsightly
dangerous to animals

[bezarker]

Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that. You can’t explain why the tide goes in.