How effective are BCAAs for working out?

[TheFugitive]

we've been over this multiple times before with all the research yet you ask for it every time as if youve completely forgotten this has all already been explained in detail.

C'mon man you've doing this long enough to understand how it works. Studies will always dictate one another

If you're unsure, call me to discuss this anytime

[bLinkMoore]

Obviously music enhanced your cognitive abilities to some extent in this scenario, there's no other explanation.

Shoutout to Run The Jewels for getting me through my first year of college

[lucia316]

Where do you get this info from and why would you believe it? Proteins take hours upon hours to digest, and just because you're meeting your daily protein goal doesn't guarantee your amino pools will be satisfied. <Thats a fact

How can that be a "fact?"

Let's use your wonky logic for shiz and giggles.

1) Assume protein takes "hours upon hours to digest" - More accurately some proteins depending upon what you ate them with can take upwards for 50 hours to digest
2) Assume that you are not fasting >24 hours nor using IF (lol)

Those assumptions made, you're eating every 4-6 hours except while sleeping meaning your body is constantly digesting food and protein. Since that will be the case, you will always have amino acids feeding the pool. If you are meeting your macro and not fasting >24 hours you will always have amino acids feeding the pool thus supplementing free form amino acids is pointless.

^^^^Facts

[BenBlue]

How can that be a "fact?"

Let's use your wonky logic for shiz and giggles.

1) Assume protein takes "hours upon hours to digest" - More accurately some proteins depending upon what you ate them with can take upwards for 50 hours to digest
2) Assume that you are not fasting >24 hours nor using IF (lol)

Those assumptions made, you're eating every 4-6 hours except while sleeping meaning your body is constantly digesting food and protein. Since that will be the case, you will always have amino acids feeding the pool. If you are meeting your macro and not fasting >24 hours you will always have amino acids feeding the pool thus supplementing free form amino acids is pointless.

^^^^Facts

Stop with your logic and sense. There's no place for that on these forums.

[pu12en12g]

pug12 u should've stayed in the hole you crawled out of along with your outdated 20 years old supplement knowledge.

We already got one amino peddler and this forum ain't big enough for two fugys.

Remember the nick
u never been shiat
You never done shiat
just another dumb shiat

[pu12en12g]

1) Assume protein takes "hours upon hours to digest" - More accurately some proteins depending upon what you ate them with can take upwards for 50 hours to digest
2) Assume that you are not fasting >24 hours nor using IF (lol)

Those assumptions made......

You are on the right track in that assumptions have to be made unfortunately... which always does f up these discussions. That is why I always phrase it that "WRAATH is worth a try"... these supplements aren't magic, but certainly worth it (compared with other stuff typically already in the shopping cart).

I formulated Purple WRAATH many years ago and it is still going strong. XTEND also deserves mentioning ! There are not a TON of products that stand the test of time in the industry. We went with EAA's for WRAATH because = a superior choice... NOT the ONLY choice ! Our Leucine product was also OUTSTANDING but it directly competed against WRAATH so that's where we went wrong.

[Farley1324]

literally, if anyone sees BCAA/EAA/Leucine as not effective... shut everything down, there is nothing left to talk about..

Be the change you want to see.

[LoudyRowdy]

You are on the right track in that assumptions have to be made unfortunately... which always does f up these discussions. That is why I always phrase it that "WRAATH is worth a try"... these supplements aren't magic, but certainly worth it (compared with other stuff typically already in the shopping cart).

I formulated Purple WRAATH many years ago and it is still going strong. XTEND also deserves mentioning ! There are not a TON of products that stand the test of time in the industry. We went with EAA's for WRAATH because = a superior choice... NOT the ONLY choice ! Our Leucine product was also OUTSTANDING but it directly competed against WRAATH so that's where we went wrong.

Funny how the former CEO of Scivation/Xtend disappeared once it was found out that his BCAA study was flawed... what was it? 12 lbs of lean mass in one month? (Or something like that)

[BenBlue]

Are these forum clowns serious in this thread ? What a joke.... if people are hatin on BCAA and Leucine LMAO.... thats a wrap, shut it down and turn off the power... no wonder this forum is dead as f now

People aren't hating on BCAAs. People are questioning the idea that an individual meeting their nutritional needs would benefit from additional supplementation.

[ILPump]

People aren't hating on BCAAs. People are questioning the idea that an individual meeting their nutritional needs would benefit from additional supplementation.

Physiques never lie and supplementation becomes a factor if you’re serious. Weighing 200lbs and consuming 200 grams of protein isn’t enough, if you believe so step in front of the mirror.

As for the studies, all are flawed and all are funded no matter what they say. If you search hard enough you’ll find the answer to just about anything. The continuous BCAA argument leads me to believe that everyone is still unsure. I personally feel they’re worth using especially if you’re training with intensity.

[BenBlue]

Physiques never lie and supplementation becomes a factor if you’re serious. Weighing 200lbs and consuming 200 grams of protein isn’t enough, if you believe so step in front of the mirror.

As for the studies, all are flawed and all are funded no matter what they say. If you search hard enough you’ll find the answer to just about anything. The continuous BCAA argument leads me to believe that everyone is still unsure. I personally feel they’re worth using especially if you’re training with intensity.

I can respect where you're coming from, but that first part is highly questionable, and you're grossly simplifying the muscle building process...and for anyone tackling this game with that level of commitment, let's be honest about what type of supplements they're taking that are really making the difference, as well as how one's physiology completely changes under those circumstances, making the muscle building process a completely different game for both camps.

I've pushed well past the 200lb mark without any BCAA supplementation, and I am relatively lean with respectable lifts. I've never noticed any difference between supplementing w BCAA vs getting all my BCAA's through diet. You're arguing based on conjecture and anecdotal experience, and I can do the same. But if that's all we're gonna do, this thread and argument is already tired and played out. Let's just agree to disagree in that case.

As for studies being flawed and funded, no argument there.

[powercage]

As for studies being flawed and funded, no argument there.

The problem there is the supplement companies are generally the ones funding them. It doesn't seem like a great business move to constantly disprove your own supplements.

[pu12en12g]

I've never noticed any difference between supplementing w BCAA vs getting all my BCAA's through diet.

No difference in DOMS / train more frequently ?

[lucia316]

You are on the right track in that assumptions have to be made unfortunately... which always does f up these discussions. That is why I always phrase it that "WRAATH is worth a try"... these supplements aren't magic, but certainly worth it (compared with other stuff typically already in the shopping cart).

I formulated Purple WRAATH many years ago and it is still going strong. XTEND also deserves mentioning ! There are not a TON of products that stand the test of time in the industry. We went with EAA's for WRAATH because = a superior choice... NOT the ONLY choice ! Our Leucine product was also OUTSTANDING but it directly competed against WRAATH so that's where we went wrong.

Yes, you're right that most stuff in the shopping cart is typically wood, but then so are free-form amino acids. Sure, the science behind EAAs is stronger, but in the end, any free-form amino acids deliver little to no value, especially when macros are being met. It makes no sense to supplement 1, 3 or 9 aminos when protein covers it all.

I bought plenty of Wraath and In-train back in the day. The reality? I was misinformed based on what we thought we knew at the time and, as PC's point continues to drive, is that the science of the time was not controlling diet nor total protein intake very well, thus giving skewed results.

There is plenty of leucine, isoleucine, valine, histidine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine and tryptophan in the protein we ingest and to imply that free-form aminos including BCAAs are magically more usable because of some theory about pools of aminos being depleted due to non-eating constantly is ridiculous. In the end, why supplement the free-form aminos when protein suffices, has fewer calories per gram and a full spectrum of amino acids?

The key here is that people aren't fasting >24 hours. Since anyone training for body comp goals is not doing that, this argument about pools needing replenishment is seriously flawed. To claim that something is beneficial based on that flawed logic is specious at best.

[powercage]

No difference in DOMS / train more frequently ?

No well controlled study shows this. One of the recent studies shows beneficial effects to ammonia and CK markers (albeit modest), but still no actual perceivable effect.

It’s more than likely placebo.

[TheFugitive]

No well controlled study shows this. One of the recent studies shows beneficial effects to ammonia and CK markers (albeit modest), but still no actual perceivable effect.

It’s more than likely placebo.

Do you know the difference between results and placebo?

[powercage]

Do you know the difference between results and placebo?

Do you know what it means to show no actual results in a controlled setting? Not in objective or subjective measures of any kind

[TheFugitive]

Do you know what it means to show no actual results in a controlled setting? Not in objective or subjective measures of any kind

I find it funny you always dodge my questions and respond with a question

Define controlled setting, and have you ever participated in one?

[powercage]

I find it funny you always dodge my questions and respond with a question

Define controlled setting, and have you ever participated in one?

You never make any relevant points or ask relevant questions. You generally attempt to change the subject, therefore it is very hard to discuss anything with you.

Being the subject of a trial, for instance, does not make you an expert on research methodology.

That’s like suggesting a prisoner understands the wardens job.

[Synapsin]

No personal insults

[TheFugitive]

You never make any relevant points or ask relevant questions. You generally attempt to change the subject, therefore it is very hard to discuss anything with you.

Being the subject of a trial, for instance, does not make you an expert on research methodology.

That’s like suggesting a prisoner understands the wardens job.

Let's just say I think I have your attention or you wouldn't continue to respond, and I do talk in riddles at times, but thats just to keep you on your toes and focused Seriously, I enjoy your company and efforts, you're one of the few who I know is really passionate about this industry and give the forum your full attention. Whether we agree on BCAAs isn't the point, helping members and keeping this place fun is. Look at the views Keep doing what you do, and I'll see you in the next one

[Farley1324]

Let's just say I think I have your attention or you wouldn't continue to respond, and I do talk in riddles at times, but thats just to keep you on your toes and focused Seriously, I enjoy your company and efforts, you're one of the few who I know is really passionate about this industry and give the forum your full attention. Whether we agree on BCAAs isn't the point, helping members and keeping this place fun is. Look at the views Keep doing what you do, and I'll see you in the next one

The views are why people continue to post, so as not to let misinformation run completely unchecked

[BenBlue]

The problem there is the supplement companies are generally the ones funding them. It doesn't seem like a great business move to constantly disprove your own supplements.

Was gonna mention that as well...

No difference in DOMS / train more frequently ?

Nope. Granted, I've only ever run a trial for maybe a month at a time or so (have received free BCAA products in the past where I ran the bottle straight). Never noticed anything but something nice to sip on while training.

[JCubb12]

The old BCAA Forum, ay? Not gonna fall for that ****

[nofacebook]

Short answer: your money is better spent on other things. Bcaas are good if your fasting and thats about it.

[Madevilz]

Short answer: your money is better spent on other things. Bcaas are good if your fasting and thats about it.

Taking is while fasted seems like it would be the worst time if the risk of having the other EAAs depleted is accurate.

[DrBulkenstein]

Personal experience is they did nothing for me, except make me dehydrated (the ones i took contained sodium). I was drinking a whole gallon jug of bcaa's because they don't ****ing mix with any small volume of water on top of a bunch of actual water and protein shakes and milk and coffee and orange juice. It was just too much to drink throughout the day. Try Beta Alanine instead for recovery.

[TheFugitive]

Personal experience is they did nothing for me, except make me dehydrated (the ones i took contained sodium). I was drinking a whole gallon jug of bcaa's because they don't ****ing mix with any small volume of water on top of a bunch of actual water and protein shakes and milk and coffee and orange juice. It was just too much to drink throughout the day. Try Beta Alanine instead for recovery.

Dehydrated due to the sodium and drinking a gallon of BCAAs a day?

[LoudyRowdy]

I would like proof that the recent “anti-BCAA” studies are biased and who funded the said biased studies

[powercage]

I would like proof that the recent “anti-BCAA” studies are biased and who funded the said biased studies

The problem is the "pro" BCAA studies all have the same glaring holes. Once those holes are accounted for, they do not provide benefit. There is no pro BCAA study that has accounted for protein that shows a practical benefit. At some point, over dozens to hundreds of studies, you realize that's because it doesn't work.

If you can't get it to work over dozens of studies, it 1) is almost certainly placebo and on the very rare off chance it isn't placebo is 2) likely so insignificant as to not matter

That's the problem. Some people try so hard to make it a thing. It's the flat earth of supplements.