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03-16-2019, 08:45 PM #61
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03-16-2019, 11:31 PM #62
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03-17-2019, 02:06 AM #63
Finally some common sense
This is true and well said, EAA / BCAA / Leucine powders might not be worth it for the average joe. I always assumed that someone taking the time to register on the "BODYBUILDING" forum was not trying to be average, and I may have been wrong for years.
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03-17-2019, 02:14 AM #64
Yea it is strange isn't it ? People look for any little competitive edge... they will f themselves up on questionable shiat.. but at the same time they will doubt or question free form aminos which have been proven the entire time !! And easily available at wholesale, or in amazing flavors
People just want something new, shiney, or sexy sounding ! Like if you called Leucine Silver Cell Lighting X1 it would be the new hot shiat !! Especially if it was hard to get or expensive...
Mind boggling for real !!
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03-17-2019, 06:42 AM #65
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You are lumping EAA/BCAA and leucine supplementation together. This is where the current up to date research shows that Bcaas (not the others ) are worthless to use.
For example, a study of of the UK found that Bcaas alone had a poor MPS response on their own. However, when combined with the other EAA’s, the MPS response was almost equal to whey.
The next argument around Bcaas is as an energy source. This is also incorrect. Your body during intense training taps into carbohydrates and even fats before aminos. Bcaa supplementation has shown instead to be inferior here as well. Even in a calorie deficit. One funny truth, one companies study showed it mitigated fat loss. Lol yeah that’s what you want.
EAA’s/leucine have good data. Leucine mainly for older adults as they need more to maintain muscle etc. EAA’s are equivalent to whey in regards to MPS response at a high enough dosage.
Bcaas on their own have little to no use regardless of whether you’re a whatever joe or big guy etc etc. Whether anyone likes it or not, that’s what the current research shows.Your nutrition and workout program determines your success.
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03-17-2019, 07:32 AM #66
Last edited by powercage; 03-17-2019 at 08:21 AM.
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
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03-17-2019, 08:19 AM #67
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Reread my post. The body is ALWAYS in an anabolic/catabolic state. BCAAs are not benefical in even a moderate protein diet. I wouldn't mind being a millionaire, but just because I feel like I should be a millionaire isn't going to make me have $1,000,000 in my bank account.
Apparently my degree is worthless then since I went to school to study the science of exercise. Apparently there's no reason for schools to offer Exercise Science, Kinesiology, Physical Therapy, Nutrition, and etc.
Do you realize how much science goes into every piece of a cable or plate loaded piece of equipment you use at the gym has behind it? How much companies like Nike are investing in seeing how their shoes impact how much the foot will disperse upon impact due to their sole?
Statements like this from posters like you are why I stopped posting on this forum for nearly a year. MAN Sports does not require me to post on this forum. I post on this forum because I want to spread accurate information to people who are unaware and looking for advice.
I would be surprised if 5% of the people on this forum have ever competed in something fitness related. Especially competing at an advanced stage. Most posters end up on this forum because it's one of the highest traffic forums (misc lives) when they're googling "What is creatine", "how do I take creatine", "is protein powder a steriod", and etc.Supplement a good diet: don't diet on supplements.
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03-17-2019, 08:26 AM #68
It doesn't matter, your body doesnt know whether you are a bodybuilder or a regular joe. Free form aminos still don't make a difference assuming you are receiving adequate protein (which every true bodybuilder is).
It makes even less sense for a bodybuilder to take them. They are literally the last population that would remotely benefit from free form aminos according to current research.Controlled Labs Warder
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
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03-17-2019, 09:32 AM #69
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03-17-2019, 09:35 AM #70Controlled Labs Warder
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
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03-17-2019, 10:01 AM #71
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03-17-2019, 11:29 AM #72
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You can say all day it’s manipulation but that works both ways.
And FYI, most manipulative science is done by companies and/or universities using grants funded by companies. A lot of the recent data presented is done by those without affiliations and done by actual scientists who focus on kinesiology.
But hey, it’s manipulation right?Your nutrition and workout program determines your success.
FL and NC crew. Lol @ living in PA. Just LOL.
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03-17-2019, 11:41 AM #73
The ones funded by supplement companies dont show benefits when compared to even moderate protein. Thats the issue, there isnt a scientific debate at all.
Im still waiting on the first person to post the Hormoznejad study as if it means something without understanding the actual meta at all.Last edited by powercage; 03-17-2019 at 11:49 AM.
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03-17-2019, 01:27 PM #74
The studies are never perfect, that is why EVEN the numerous studies that back up what I'm saying are not the end of the discussion ! Personally, I could have waited years for 100 MORE flawed studies and arguing.... INSTEAD, I gave EAA / BCAA / Leucine a UNBIASED try, in addition to a high protein intake. In the years that FOLLOWED, I DID NOT NEED MORE STUDIES, I already had my proof.... but people were still arguing over the studies.
Again.... mind boggling ! What did these people have against something so convenient, and available in all kinds of flavors ? I would tell people I don't care which brand you try... but if you are really training HARD they are worth trying. I would get thank you emails from people on a daily basis with their results... some from WRAATH, some from XTEND, SOME FROM BULK POWDERS !!
Seriously sad to think of people skipping over one of the best things available, and then.. on to so much other questionable shiat on here !
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03-17-2019, 01:31 PM #75
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03-17-2019, 02:06 PM #76
There are people that truly believes in arginine and deer antler
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03-17-2019, 02:42 PM #77
n = 1
The image you posted is outdated/taken out of context. Look into the study parameters used in the literature where leucine is added to protein rich meals. Look at what they are compared to (the controls). Look at overall dietary intake control.
When protein intake has been accounted for, the research shows that supplementing with additional leucine does not provide any extra benefit in terms of muscle size or strength compared to placebo. This has been directly compared and accounted for.
You can certainly voice your opinion, it just isn't backed by practical research.Last edited by powercage; 03-17-2019 at 02:59 PM.
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03-17-2019, 04:00 PM #78
pug12 u should've stayed in the hole you crawled out of along with your outdated 20 years old supplement knowledge.
We already got one amino peddler and this forum ain't big enough for two fugys.
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03-17-2019, 04:26 PM #79
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03-17-2019, 04:28 PM #80
I'd say if you want to back up your claims you need some proof. Otherwise it is an opinion. Which is fine. You have an opinion that is not backed by research. Nothing is wrong with that.
Maybe you have some amazing insight into what has been shown to be the opposite in countless studies. Maybe the entire world is in on some conspiracy to discredit aminos for some reason.Controlled Labs Warder
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03-17-2019, 04:41 PM #81
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03-17-2019, 04:50 PM #82
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03-17-2019, 04:54 PM #83
Last edited by powercage; 03-17-2019 at 06:24 PM.
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03-17-2019, 06:27 PM #84
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What happened to the party?
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03-17-2019, 06:34 PM #85
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On another note, the Galaxy S10 takes some solid pics
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03-17-2019, 07:33 PM #86
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03-17-2019, 08:28 PM #87
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Where do you get this info from and why would you believe it? Proteins take hours upon hours to digest, and just because you're meeting your daily protein goal doesn't guarantee your amino pools will be satisfied. <Thats a fact
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03-17-2019, 10:06 PM #88
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Can you say "logical fallacy"??
You supplement with BCAAs --> you are a strong person --> therefore, BCAAs helped make you strong
I got a 90% on my communications final --> I listened to music while I studied--> therefore, it was the music, and not the hours of studying, that helped me get a good grade.
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03-17-2019, 11:58 PM #89
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03-18-2019, 05:58 AM #90Controlled Labs Warder
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
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