Solution to Mass Shootings

[Tamorlane]

-195 countries in the world
-Nearly 1/3 of mass shootings occur in the United States
-You can't ban guns, and gun-free zones make people even easier targets
-You can't arm every person because not only could the guard be executed first, not everyone wants to own a gun

so how do you prevent gun men from entering first grade classrooms, bars, concerts, movie theaters, malls, McDonalds, etc.


America has dug itself into a real problem for which they have no clue on how to get themselves out of. These shootings while devastating, ultimately result in a shrug from 2nd amendment advocates who have no other solution than paying for police at every corner of the country to stand guard just in case and everyone arming themselves.

At approximately 3:56 p.m. on July 18, Huberty drove his black Mercury Marquis sedan into the parking lot of the McDonald's restaurant on San Ysidro Boulevard. In his possession were a 9mm Browning HP semi-automatic pistol, a 9mm Uzi PDW, a Winchester 1200 12 gauge pump-action shotgun, and a cloth bag filled with hundreds of rounds of ammunition for each weapon.[1] A total of 50 customers were present inside the restaurant.[9]

Entering the restaurant minutes later, Huberty first aimed his shotgun at a 16-year-old employee named John Arnold. The assistant manager, Guillermo Flores, shouted, "Hey, John, That guy's going to shoot you!" According to Arnold, when Huberty pulled the trigger, "nothing happened." As Huberty inspected his gun, the manager of the restaurant, 22-year-old Neva Caine, walked toward the service counter of the restaurant in the direction of Arnold, as Arnold—believing the incident to be a distasteful joke—began to walk away from the gunman.[1] Huberty fired his shotgun toward the ceiling before aiming the Uzi at Caine, shooting her once beneath her left eye.[10] Caine died minutes later.[1]

Immediately after shooting Caine, Huberty fired his shotgun at Arnold, wounding the youth in the chest, before shouting a comment to the effect of, "Everybody on the ground."[1] Huberty referred to all present in the restaurant as "dirty swines," shouting that he had killed thousands and that he intended to "kill a thousand more." Upon hearing Huberty's profane rant and seeing Caine and Arnold shot, one customer, 25-year-old Victor Rivera, tried to persuade Huberty not to shoot anyone else. In response, Huberty shot Rivera 14 times, repeatedly shouting "shut up" as Rivera screamed in pain.[1]

As most of the customers tried to hide beneath tables and service booths, Huberty turned his attention toward six women and children huddled together.[11] He first killed 19-year-old María Colmenero-Silva with a single gunshot to the chest, then fatally shot nine-year-old Claudia Perez[1] in the stomach, cheek, thigh, hip, leg, chest, back, armpit, and head with his Uzi. He then wounded Perez's 15-year-old sister Imelda once in the chest[12] with the same weapon, and fired upon 11-year-old Aurora Peña with the shotgun. Peña—initially wounded in the leg—had been shielded by her pregnant aunt, 18-year-old Jackie Reyes. Huberty shot Reyes 48 times with the Uzi.[13] Beside his mother's body, eight-month-old Carlos Reyes sat up and wailed, whereupon Huberty shouted and killed the infant with a single pistol shot to the center of the back.

Huberty shot and killed a 62-year-old trucker named Laurence Versluis, before targeting one of the families near the play area of the restaurant, who had tried to shield their children beneath the tables with their bodies.[1] Blythe Regan Herrera (aged 31) had shielded her 11-year-old son, Mateo, beneath one booth, and her husband Ronald protected 12-year-old Keith Thomas under a booth across from them. Huberty began shooting people seated in the restaurant as he walked toward those under the tables. Ronald Herrera urged Thomas not to move, shielding the boy with his body. Thomas was shot in the shoulder, arm, wrist, and left elbow,[14] but was not seriously wounded; Ronald Herrera was shot eight times in the stomach, chest, arm, and head but survived; his wife, Blythe, and son, Mateo, were both killed by numerous gunshots to the head.[15]

Nearby, two women had attempted to hide beneath a booth. Guadalupe del Rio, 24, was against a wall; she was shielded by her friend, 31-year-old Arisdelsi Vuelvas Vargas. Del Rio was hit several times in the back, abdomen, chest, and neck, but was not seriously wounded, whereas Vargas received a single gunshot wound to the back of the head. She died of her wound the next day, the only person fatally wounded who lived long enough to reach a hospital. At another booth, Huberty killed 45-year-old banker Hugo Velazquez Vasquez with a shot to the chest.[1]

The first of many calls to emergency services was made at 4:00 p.m., although the dispatcher mistakenly directed responding officers to another McDonald's two miles (three kilometers) from the San Ysidro Boulevard restaurant.[17] This meant that the restaurant was not locked down until several minutes later, and the only warnings about the shooter would come from passers-by outside in the meantime. Shortly after 4:00, a young woman named Lydia Flores drove into the parking lot. Stopping at the food-pickup window, Flores noticed shattered windows and the sound of gunfire,[1] before "looking up and there he was, just shooting." Flores reversed her car until she crashed into a fence; she hid with her two-year-old daughter until the shooting ended.

Three 11-year-old boys rode their bikes into the west parking lot to purchase cold drinks.[16] Hearing a member of the public yell something unintelligible from across the street,[1] all three hesitated, before Huberty shot the three boys with his shotgun and Uzi. Joshua Coleman fell to the ground critically wounded in the back, arm, and leg;[18] he later recalled looking toward his two friends, Omarr Alonso Hernandez and David Flores Delgado, noting that Hernandez was on the ground with multiple gunshot wounds to his back and had started vomiting; Delgado had received several gunshot wounds to his head.[16] Coleman survived; Hernandez and Delgado both died at the scene. Huberty next noticed an elderly couple, Miguel Victoria Ulloa (74) and Aida Velazquez Victoria (69), walking toward the entrance. As Miguel reached to open the door for his wife,[19] Huberty fired his shotgun, killing Aida with a gunshot to the face and wounding Miguel. An uninjured survivor, Oscar Mondragon, later reported that he had seen Miguel cradling his wife in his arms and wiping blood from her face. Miguel shouted curses at Huberty, who approached and killed him with a shot to the head.[17]

At approximately 4:10 p.m., a Mexican couple, Astolfo and Maricela Felix,[20] drove toward one of the service areas of the restaurant. Noting the shattered glass, Astolfo initially thought renovation work was in progress and that Huberty—striding toward the car—was a repairman. Huberty fired his shotgun and Uzi at the couple and their four-month-old daughter, Karlita,[1] striking Maricela in the face, arms and chest, blinding her in one eye and permanently rendering one hand unusable.[21] Her baby was critically wounded in the neck, chest and abdomen.[22] Astolfo was wounded in the chest and head. As Astolfo and Maricela staggered away from Huberty's line of fire, Maricela was ordered by her husband to give the baby to him (before being shot more times by the perpetrator). While running away from the shooter Maricela returned to her husband and noticed that he was also wounded and did not have her child. Shortly after that, she fainted. She later found out that he had given her to a random passerby. The woman rushed the baby to a nearby hospital as her husband assisted Astolfo and Maricela into a nearby building. All three members of the Felix family survived.

[401Delta]

Fact #1: Leading causes of death in the U.S....

Heart disease: 635,260
Cancer: 598,038
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
Diabetes: 80,058
Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965

Fact #2: The benefits of an armed citizenry far outweigh the risks of an armed citizenry.

[Tamorlane]

Leading causes of death in the U.S....

Heart disease: 635,260
Cancer: 598,038
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
Diabetes: 80,058
Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965

The benefits of an armed citizenry far outweigh the risks of an armed citizenry.

so because heart disease kills more people a year these mass shootings are acceptable. Strong logic

[Irezumi]

Didntreadlol.

[401Delta]

so because heart disease kills more people a year these mass shootings are acceptable. Strong logic

The fact that mass shooting don't register on the grand scale of things matters. And yes, it is more important to have an armed citizenry than it is to prevent a relatively small number of deaths caused by firearms.

[TurkBrah]

Lmao didnt read u fkin soyfilled cuck

[hendrixfreak70]

Gun control works in other countries (probably not, truthfully) but acid control, knife attacks, and car control hasn't worked.

[AriGhold]

The fact that mass shooting don't register on the grand scale of things matters. And yes, it is more important to have an armed citizenry than it is to prevent a relatively small number of deaths caused by firearms.

Says the ******* with a gun in their profile pic.

[Tamorlane]

Lmao didnt read u fkin soyfilled cuck

ya I know it was more than a sentence mouth-breather

[arn710]

Thread title says solution

You didn't provide a solution

What are you suggesting?

[BrosefMengele]

"The Catholic Church is the only religious institution that can enter into diplomatic relations and that interests itself in international rights, acting through the Holy See, an international sovereign subject of singular characteristics." (Monsignor Pietro Parolin, Undersecretary for Relations with States, http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/hol...right-to-speak)

This is an amazing quote in which the Catholic undersecretary unwittingly confirms the Roman Catholic Church as being the whore of Babylon! It is the ONLY religious institution that can have diplomatic relations with the 'kings of the world'. Amazing!

The Vatican now has 'Diplomatic RELATIONS' with 183 Nations

Also, the inhabitants of the earth have certainly been made drunk with the false teachings (wine) of the Catholic Church. Not only are there over 1 BILLION Catholics deceived by her teachings, even the majority of Protestant Christians still hold onto some Catholic false doctrines, like the trinity, sunday sabbath, eternal hell fire, immortal soul, etc..

Image, cross and relic adoration; Intercession of Mary; Prayers to Mary and the saints; Mass; Confession to priests; Purgatory; Prayers for the dead; Holy water; Lent; Penances; Processions; Pilgrimages; Celibacy of clergy; Monkery. None of these are Biblical institutions. Instead they are borrowed from Paganism and have been adopted by the harlot church of Rome.

http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/th...f-babylon.html

[WoofieNugget]

Fact #1: Leading causes of death in the U.S....

Heart disease: 635,260
Cancer: 598,038
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
Diabetes: 80,058
Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965

Fact #2: The benefits of an armed citizenry far outweigh the risks of an armed citizenry.

What is an armed citizenry supposed to do exactly? Is that the argument that there is less gun crime because everyone is walking around with guns, or do gun owners think they are preparing for an invasion?

American gun culture is severely screwed up.

People argue against something they haven't even attempted yet, and has been proven to work in other countries worldwide. I'd love to see someone say "hey, let's give this gun control thing a try for a couple of years and see what happens."

[sammywatkins]

Fact #1: Leading causes of death in the U.S....

Heart disease: 635,260
Cancer: 598,038
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
Diabetes: 80,058
Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965

Fact #2: The benefits of an armed citizenry far outweigh the risks of an armed citizenry.

Saying fact before your opinion doesn't actually make it a fact

[spatchcock]

you first OP.

what’s the solution to dangerous driving?

[401Delta]

What is an armed citizenry supposed to do exactly?

It is better able to defend against a tyrannical government.

[Dave22reborn]

Come on Tammy, provide us with a solution....we're all waiting.

[Stizzel]

What is an armed citizenry supposed to do exactly? Is that the argument that there is less gun crime because everyone is walking around with guns, or do gun owners think they are preparing for an invasion?

American gun culture is severely screwed up.

People argue against something they haven't even attempted yet, and has been proven to work in other countries worldwide. I'd love to see someone say "hey, let's give this gun control thing a try for a couple of years and see what happens."

Ever been to Chicago?

[WoofieNugget]

It is better able to defend against a tyrannical government.

This is a 200 year old sentiment that might have been valid in 1800.

[401Delta]

This is a 200 year old sentiment that might have been valid in 1800.

Are people still comprised of soft tissue, flesh and bone? If so, then this 'sentiment' is still valid.

[C Project]

what’s the solution to dangerous driving?

Self driving cars, specific lanes for 18-wheeler trucks, helicarriers (this will stimulate the economy to record breaking heights), reinvigorate railroads.

[Vexidi]

It is better able to defend against a tyrannical government.

The older I get the more I realize how many straight up pussies there are in this country. People can argue all day about the outcome of a citizen clash against the government but the entire point is the willingness to try and the unwillingness to be rendered completely defenseless. The American spirit is being bred out and replaced by complacent slack jaws.

[SaltyDog920]

If you or anyone in your household is on psychotropic/sleeping meds, there should not be guns allowed in that household.

If you've made a proven direct threat of violence, you will have your guns removed from the household in which you reside (or mother's basement), you will be blacklisted in a database, and never able to buy a firearm again. Ever.

Responsible gun owners do not make threats of violence. Responsible gun owners do not own guns while on mind altering medication.

[thedarrenestes]

Self driving cars, specific lanes for 18-wheeler trucks, helicarriers (this will stimulate the economy to record breaking heights), reinvigorate railroads.

Making cars illegal to own isn't on your list?

[Dave22reborn]

If you or anyone in your household is on psychotropic/sleeping meds, there should not be guns allowed in that household.

If you've made a proven direct threat of violence, you will have your guns removed from the household in which you reside (or mother's basement), you will be blacklisted in a database, and never able to buy a firearm again. Ever.

Responsible gun owners do not make threats of violence. Responsible gun owners do not own guns while on mind altering medication.

So if you're on meds, no guns?

[Dave22reborn]

Ever been to Chicago?

Liberal policies are too blame for places like Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, etc.

Or you have opinions from posters like Sillie, "They're in the drug trade....who cares?"

[Cleveland33]

ultimately result in a shrug from 2nd amendment advocates who have no other solution than paying for police at every corner of the country to stand guard just in case and everyone arming themselves.

I have offered you numerous solutions in the past.

#1 is ending deinstitutionalism looking back we see that most of the perpetrators would have been institutionalized

[Tamorlane]

Thread title says solution

You didn't provide a solution

What are you suggesting?

There isn't a solution tbh that I can tell.

-If you restrict/ban guns then you make law-abiding citizens vulnerable to criminals
-If you encourage people to arm themselves most won't in public
-If you put armed guards at every school they could be simply taken out first, or they could be employed for 30 years and never see an incident

The problem is because of the amount of guns in circulation and ease of access.

America has failed itself by buying into NRA propaganda. 120 guns per 100 people. The second country for guns per capita doesn't even have half that.

Why aren't there weekly mass shootings in Canada, Switzerland, Denmark, Japan, China, Nigeria, etc.

[Cleveland33]

If you or anyone in your household is on psychotropic/sleeping meds, there should not be guns allowed in that household.

That's so dangerous on so many sides.

There are plenty of households and even the actual gun owners that are on medication and have not done anything wrong. Not to mention the danger inherent on classifying psychotropic drugs - perfect example, ********.
Then there is the issue of reporting that status being a violation of HIPPA

[Jayarbie]

It is better able to defend against a tyrannical government.

Except when this actually happens, it looks like a bunch of incompetent rednecks seizing a snackbar until the vending machine is out of chips or a crazy man gunning down police officers, far, far from the picture of patriots saving the country from rampaging brownshirts that you have pictured in your mind.

I'm very much pro-2A. There are millions of law-abiding gun owners in the country, and I don't believe that anyone should be prevented from doing whatever they want as long as it doesn't violate someone else's rights, and owning guns in itself isn't a violation of anything. But, this notion that the second amendment is there so that normal citizens can arm themselves for a battle against the government is ludicrous and only exists in the imagination of some pretty fargone wingnuts.

[C Project]

Making cars illegal to own isn't on your list?

Why would it be?