did we actually land on the moon (in4 the poll)

[PowerD]

Have you even watched a documentary on it? The main ship with all the rocket fuel orbits the moon. The lunar module detaches and lands on the moon. Then when they are ready to go the lunar module blasts off the moons surface and re-docks with the main ship.
Barely needs any propulsion to leave moons atmosphere.

The moon has enough mass for the ship to orbit? What was the altitude? They would have had to be really close to the surface.

[ChristianMR]

I'm not purporting to know exactly how it all went down but there have been big things that involved a lot of people that have been kept secret. The Manhattan Project involved >100,000 people and it was kept a secret from the public. They did it by compartmentalizing all of the tasks/jobs so that people only knew enough to do their specific job. Only very few had the big picture and they must have signed agreements not to talk or they go to prison for life or more likely "disappear in an accident".

Maybe they got a spacecraft to orbit the moon but never actually landed? I'm no expert but it would seem like safely landing and returning a group of astronauts from the moon (or any planet) would be at least as big if not a bigger technical challenge than just getting them there.

The Manhattan Project was kept secret for 5 years during a war with unparalleled security at a secret site. Media at that time was highly centralized and voluntarily agreed to a gag order. https://news.google.com/newspapers?i...1159%2C1605869. The moon landing "conspiracy" would be over an order of magnitude longer, involved NASA, filmmakers, and would have had to survive despite the absence of a gag order and media decentralization. And there would have been no wartime security.

The two are not even remotely comparable.

With respect to your substantive argument, I've bolded the important part. You're not an expert. I'm also not an expert. But I'm not challenging conventional wisdom and the large body of evidence supporting conventional wisdom.

[Ravishing_Rick]

These threads are an easy way to see who is retarded.

Anyone who thinks we didn't go to the moon is just a little snowflake who thinks they are so much smarter than everyone else. But in reality, they're just retarded.

and why is that?
because the government never lie?

[Platorwel]

This is the only conspiracy theory that I believe is true.. no I don’t think we made it there.

For me I wouldnt say it’s the “only” one, there are some other historical events I think are questionable. But Im not a typical conspiracy theorist, dont believe in aliens or mind-controlling fluoride in the water etc. But I find the moon landing narrative highly suspect.

If I had to bet my life on whether it was true or not Id be in a real conondrum.

[ssg10587]

Hell of a lot easier to land on the moon than keep a secret of that size for multiple decades

This. The notion that the govt could cover something up of this size and this long is laughable.

[rectifryer]

There are groups of people who simply deny the credibility of any major event simply because they did not personally experience the event. This falls into that category -- truthers/flat earthers/holocaust deniers etc.

Our security branch of the gov't can't even cover up how it operates lol.

[MiscInformed]

I don't see how anyone can take this conspiracy theory seriously.

The decade long funding for a moonshot created whole new technologies. We have that technologies today. There was no reason to create many of them originally, other than their use in space. It's only after it's primary functions were fulfilled that we found uses on Earth.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ion-nasa-spen/

^ Just one of many examples. I was going to link to specific progress in semiconductors and logic devices as the most important new technology to come out of the space race, but then I remembered about the pens and knew it would be quicker to just post that as an example.

PS - You might be tempted to argue that we pursued a trip to the moon for years and thus spent money on technology, but it wasn't until the end when we knew we would fail that alternate plans for faking ALL of the moon landings were made, but we have a treasure trove of photos of the earth from the moon and at all distances between the two, not to mention photos showing the moon, long before CGI existed.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/projec...oarchive/page1

[MiscInformed]

There are groups of people who simply deny the credibility of any major event simply because they did not personally experience the event. This falls into that category -- truthers/flat earthers/holocaust deniers etc.

Our security branch of the gov't can't even cover up how it operates lol.

I'm convinced flat earthers were just trolling everyone for lolz. The problem is the media ran with the story and gullible dumb people have jumped on the band wagon. However, the original flat earthers before it became a "thing" online were trolls. I'm sure of it.

[PowersKenny]

Yes,thats like asking if your mom didn't get railed by 20 plus guys before she met your dad... *******...stupid question

[rectifryer]

I'm convinced flat earthers were just trolling everyone for lolz. The problem is the media ran with the story and gullible dumb people have jumped on the band wagon. However, the original flat earthers before it became a "thing" online were trolls. I'm sure of it.

Yeah but the people who hold the theory in high regard are going to fall for whatever occupies their time. It would just be something else anyways. At least they got neutralized with "flat earth theory" instead of something more dangerous.

I've got a theory of my own where these conspiracies are developed so that people waste time on them instead of paying attention to important issues lol. But really, the people that care about these things probably weren't contributing well to society, so maybe it's just best for everyone if we just distract them with chemtrails and gay frogs.

[Sobekhotep]

Quite frankly I am suprised at the poll results.

Same.

Too many retards ITT.

[TimeTravelerBro]

Why dont they send a robot to find the flag and landing module to prove it

[GrammarNaziM8]

I voted yes because if americans hadn't landed to the moon and had they faked it, the russians would've called them out on it

[Sobekhotep]

Why dont they send a robot to find the flag and landing module to prove it

Why the **** would they spend a ****load of money sending robots just to convince some retards?

The LRO images and the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment are more than enough proof as it is.

[ChristianMR]

Why dont they send a robot to find the flag and landing module to prove it

Conspiracytards would just argue that the robot was fake, or the moon was fake, or the news about the robot landing was fake, etc.

[LaCosaNostra90]

Impossible. To actually think they went to the moon with the same technology that is in your key fob for your car, who actually believes this garbage??

[PrimarisIn]

the chance of 'everyone' in on it and successfully pulling it off is so minuscule, and unless ppl are just massively being brainwashed, i tend to think we did go to the moon.

[Hammersia]

At its peak, the Apollo program employed 100,000 people around the world.... just lol at keeping such a conspiracy secret

[Kiop]

I was watching the news ,and they mentioned they’ll have the technology to go to the moon by 2020.
Well wtf over , I presumed we already did it in the 60’s lol

[JoeDelts]

The Manhattan Project was kept secret for 5 years during a war with unparalleled security at a secret site. Media at that time was highly centralized and voluntarily agreed to a gag order. https://news.google.com/newspapers?i...1159%2C1605869. The moon landing "conspiracy" would be over an order of magnitude longer, involved NASA, filmmakers, and would have had to survive despite the absence of a gag order and media decentralization. And there would have been no wartime security.

The two are not even remotely comparable.

With respect to your substantive argument, I've bolded the important part. You're not an expert. I'm also not an expert. But I'm not challenging conventional wisdom and the large body of evidence supporting conventional wisdom.

The Cold War was a war of a different type but it was still a war. The Manhattan Project didn't happen in just 1 secret site. My questions were about how they got the astronauts back. Another poster responded that the landing craft blasted off the moon and re-docked with the main ship that was orbiting the moon. This was no problem because they didn't need much propulsion to launch several astronauts in a spacecraft back to the ship. As if the ship would just be hovering off the surface of the moon. Read that out loud and tell me that doesn't sound completely ridiculous.

I'm not saying I know for sure they did or didn't do it but it would be an unbelievably difficult thing to do even with today's technology. I provided an example of a massive undertaking that was kept a secret and your response is "yeah that was different. No way they could ever do something like that in this case"

[HoustonMiscer]

The moon landed on us

[NegativeX]

Hell of a lot easier to land on the moon than keep a secret of that size for multiple decades

This.

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[eod8989]

We went because all the credible sources believe we did. It's only conspiracy theorists that believe we didn't. Also Russia didn't argue against it.

The moon is only like 238,000 miles away which is only about 10x further than the earth's circumference. It's not like they traveled to a distant planet lol

[Budjola]

did we went to the moon? probably yes
was it in 1969? probably not

[MiscInformed]

The Cold War was a war of a different type but it was still a war. The Manhattan Project didn't happen in just 1 secret site. My questions were about how they got the astronauts back. Another poster responded that the landing craft blasted off the moon and re-docked with the main ship that was orbiting the moon. This was no problem because they didn't need much propulsion to launch several astronauts in a spacecraft back to the ship. As if the ship would just be hovering off the surface of the moon. Read that out loud and tell me that doesn't sound completely ridiculous.

I'm not saying I know for sure they did or didn't do it but it would be an unbelievably difficult thing to do even with today's technology. I provided an example of a massive undertaking that was kept a secret and your response is "yeah that was different. No way they could ever do something like that in this case"

Previous Apollo missions were test runs for Apollo 11. Problems were discovered and worked out. Some issues involved risk, which is why Nixon had prepared a statement to be read to the nation in case the lunar lander missed reconnecting to the capsule, or any other catastrophic failure occurred.

Details of how the 2-part lunar landing solution came about and how it worked can be found here (I think):

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley...endezvous.html

[Al.Capone]

Did we land on the Moon?
Did we orbit the Moon?
Have human beings been to low earth orbit?
Are there satellites in low earth orbit?
Is there a stratosphere?
How high do weather balloons go before they pop?
Is the record altitude for manned aircraft a hoax?
Do planes actually fly, or are we being tricked?






































You think that's air you're breathing?

[MiscInformed]

BTW, although we don't have any telescopes with enough resolution to directly see NASA debris left on the moon from the Earth, or even from Hubble, we can see these from satellites orbiting the moon. Here are some photos from the LRO taken several years ago.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/L...llo-sites.html


https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/f...2-left-670.jpg

Lunar tracks and footprints will remain on the moon until impacts from meteorites and such in the near vicinity kick up enough moon dust to obscure them, which may take a couple of million years.

[wincel]

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[JoeDelts]

Previous Apollo missions were test runs for Apollo 11. Problems were discovered and worked out. Some issues involved risk, which is why Nixon had prepared a statement to be read to the nation in case the lunar lander missed reconnecting to the capsule, or any other catastrophic failure occurred.

Details of how the 2-part lunar landing solution came about and how it worked can be found here (I think):

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley...endezvous.html

Thanks for posting the link. I'll check it out. Those guys had elephant balls to volunteer to do this.

[OneLegSquats]

At its peak, the Apollo program employed 100,000 people around the world.... just lol at keeping such a conspiracy secret

Dumbest argument i've seen so far.
Just because you work in a Tesla showroom doesn't mean you know what Elon Musk does in his spare time.